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So what happens if they sweep Oakland? I find it odd that people seem to secretly be wishing for the Twins to collapse so they can validate their months of 'this team isn't very good' so we have to sell now. Perhaps it isn't you but this has been a common theme (just wait until...) in threads. Honestly I don't think they are >.500 good (look at the pitching staff) but I am not going to tank a team playing well against all odds.

As far as I am concerned, Gibson is only back on a min contract (not arbitration). It might be tough to fix pitching during the season but I HOPE that the FO doesn't have Gibson in any part of its plans for next season. With that said, I still think Gibson is the 5th best SP the Twins have available. I don't think Gibson is good but I think Colon is awful and Santiago is irreparably damaged. I am guessing that there is some sort of agreement for a real chance with Colon and if you cut him then he isn't an option later. Gibson can still be called back up and almost certainly will. GEHT REHDDDDDDDY!

Why would a team that trades for Gray trade him away this offseason? There is a good chance that he is traded this deadline. I think you vastly overstate significantly. The price now or later starts with Gordon and likely includes one of Gonsalves/Romero/Jorge. The reason to wait until the offseason is if you want to center the trade around Lewis since the Twins don't really have a 2nd best prospect that can headline a big trade like this until then.

A) he might not be available B-) why not get an additional 2 months use out of him since the price will be in the same ballpark?

I also think an infielder should be traded if the deal is right. My thought is Escobar since he has the positional flexibility to fit for many teams as opposed to Dozier only fitting on 2B needy teams. But the big if still belongs to the long term plans for Gordon. Is he trade bait that lands a good starter? Or is he the long term starter at SS?

I see Gray as building for next year but not waiting until the offseason. Same as Quintana (now traded). I guess you could say that is buying but not necessarily for this playoff push although it does help.

Can anybody actually find someone that suggests they should make that kind of trade? That is my frustration with all of these 'counter arguments'. They aren't actually disagreeing with anyone.

Except that the other issue with Meyer just came up again. Shoulder inflammation. I would be surprised if Meyer made it through two seasons as a starter. I hope he does. I am rooting for him even if it makes the Twins look bad for trading him away but he was continually on the DL and scouting reports always questioned this.

On pace for 35-40 HR's at 3B with a .900 OPS is getting there. Obviously it is a different thing to put up a 1.000+ OPS and 40+ HR's but we aren't that far off. Yes, no QO is possible. And let's put the kibosh on any sort of an extension. We acquired him for nearly nothing and I am happy about it but I expect his arm to fall off at some point. Getting stuck with 4M in dead money is one thing. I really hope the Twins are aiming higher this offseason.

I liked the books more than the TV show but I thought the TV show was also great. And I completely understand why so much was left out of the TV show (some complaints I have read). It would take 40-50 hours to tell just one book and even then they would have to leave out a lot. That would have sucked to watch. I guess my only frustration with the books is that the different stories are all so separate and basically in different worlds most of the time. But it should be interesting to see how they bring everyone together for the finale. Now finish the DAMN books!

Teams that finish dead last in the MLB shouldn't be signing expensive FA's for the most part. Things have changed now with several players taking steps forward this season (Berrios, Sano as MVP level, Rosario/Kepler, Grossman, etc...). I certainly don't think that one offseason of a new GM can tell you a whole lot about what they will do in the future. This move for example has shown us that they will pick up a contract which was something that many had considered impossible just one week ago. Yes, people thought taking on 4M in salary was near impossible because it hadn't been done before. I think we will see a lot of 'impossible' during the next couple of seasons. Hopefully there are some W's also.

I don't see why adding Garcia means anything different for the 2018 offseason. Why are they standing pat for the future in either scenario? We have had a revolving door all season at the 5th spot (and Gibson at the 4th spot). There have been ample opportunity to audition for a spot if the FO thought any of those guys are worthy.

As long as ownership opens up the piggy bank (A LOT) this would be great. First and foremost they need a top pitcher and not a 10M option.

This isn't a big trade but it is a huge move considering Colon is in the rotation and Santiago faces a lot of uncertainty. If anybody is concerned that the Twins have TOO MANY starters then I don't even know what to say.

Great shirt. Colors and style are perfect. Assuming that I don't win the giveaway I will have one of these included in my once/yr box shipped to Taiwan. It will be perfect with my Original Lake State and 1991 T-shirts.

FWIW - the window to the AL Central is open now and I would get a head start on adding players for 2018 by going after one of the pitchers that is under control through at least 2019. Add one now and then spend some big money in FA again. That is the path to a really good rotation instead of a 'get the Twins by' rotation. They still need some bullpen arms but take care of starting pitching first. The rest isn't impossible to add later.

There isn't any lean possible here. Romero should be getting shut down. Gonsalves has thrown 430 IP overall and 140 IP in each of the last two seasons. Romero has thrown 280 IP and his 100 IP has already exceeded his career high. Gonsalves has experience (AA last season) and (fewer) injury concerns. The 40 man roster doesn't concern me at all. A lot of dead weight that could be jettisoned. Several are nothing more than live bodies to toss in there for lack of a better option. I think you wait until the 2nd week of August to call up Gonsalves but they really have nothing (Colon...) in the 5th spot.

Yes, this isn't an aggressive sell the farm year but that doesn't mean that they should continue to run Colon or similarly awful pitchers out there every 5th day. And then there is Gibson every 4th day. Is he decent now? I don't know but I would feel a lot more comfortable with him in the 5th spot. Gonsalves or Jorge might be an option but Romero has to be getting shut down soon (or shifted to the bullpen. He isn't an option to pitch into September imo.

Let's call yours the optimistic take. His velocity dropped after he pitched in relief and it plummeted in his last start. I have a feeling that something major is wrong. He still exists but I am not counting on him for anything this season. If he comes back then it is a bonus. I certainly wouldn't stop exploring pitching trades because he 'might' come back.

We at least have an idea of what the Braves price was. I certainly wouldn't lose any sleep over trading a prospect that may not contribute in 2018 for a solid SP. The Twins don't have a healthy Santiago to compare against. They have Colon, Turley or ???? in the 5th spot. I think Garcia could get you 3 more wins than that crew.

Board games would be fun but I work until 9PM each night (late start) and travel most weekends. I am enjoying the new card games that are coming out though. Exploding Kittens (1st expansion is a must) and Sushi Go are both camping favorites among my friends. CAH would be great but typically our groups are at least 50% non native English speakers (I live in Taiwan) and it would be a big struggle to understand. Are there any recommendations for quick to play/learn card games out there? I also play these with my ESL students occasionally.

In fairness, Verlander was pretty good in 2015 and great in 2016. This season is odd since his velocity is up but BB are way up. I wouldn't trade for him since his contract would completely block any 2018 FA pick ups. If I was a team with money to burn, I might take a chance. I think that list (great work btw) shows that Garcia is a better option than his thread shows. If you don't like Garcia then accept that you are getting Gibson/Colon/random dude 2-3 times/wk. Yes, Gibson is better than whatever AAAA pitchers that the Twins can acquire for nothing since we can't trade a prospect because they aren't competing for a World Series this season.

Not perturbed but very concerned. I don't really care about the last 3 guys on the team that are aren't active but this team really needs an additional backup wing and a 3rd PG. They are set in the frontcourt going 6 deep.

I just want to know the name of the discussed prospect regardless if the trade happens. I have been told that there is no chance of acquiring a competent starter for a 15ish ranked org prospect. This seems to indicate that is possible but we really don't know if 'decent' is more like 10ish or in the 20's. And my frustration with the board as a whole continues with the complaints about 'Why is Gibson even here (much less Colon)?' and the reluctance to trade any level prospect (except the Navaretto (almost non-prospect) level) for a decent/compentent pitcher like Garcia.

The only interesting part of this story is that MN is one of the preferred destinations. I guess the Knicks and Heat can offer the most for nightlife but they are orgs that look to be a mess going forward (the Knicks are Porzingis and a dumpster fire). The good part is that the this possibly means that the Wolves could land a solid veteran for the min contract to solidify the bench. There really is no practical way to acquire Irving for the Wolves. Teague was just signed so he can't be traded until midseason. The Wolves have no significant tradeable assets other than a likely end of the 1st OKC pick and Justin Patton due to owing Atlanta a future pick. I think Irving will have to shut up and play. And I thought a couple of months ago that Lebron is leaving CLE at the end of the season. But lets propose a blockbuster that works. Anthony and Ntilikina (maybe a pick also) for Irving? Or to Boston for Isaiah Thomas and one or two of their picks/prospects?