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  1. You think the Twins are artificially raising the ceiling on Correa!?
  2. Likely very small, to the point it's almost nonexistent. It's pretty clear Vasquez doesn't want to be in a relatively even timeshare, and that's the approach the Twins have steered towards. Money, years, and in this case playing time rule the day. If Miami decided to grant him all three wishes he'd be a Marlin today. That's how this works.
  3. Yeah I wouldn't take much comfort in Bogaerts or any of the top SS names coming off the market, particularly with other clubs circling and Twins' recent penchant for the "wait and see," approach.
  4. You're using opening TF spending years but I'm the one cherry picking? Tell me with a straight face that 3 year span isn't a massive outlier. Celebrating the 20th ranked payroll in baseball coming off that 2019 season is a weird flex, no? You win though, 20th and 18th doesn't technically qualify as bottom third. You cited payroll as an example of their commitment to winning. I don't see the Twins' spending as commensurate with their market size, or the deep pockets of their ownership. I'm not seeing where I shifted the narrative.
  5. Yep, TF was a small bump, and they haven't come close to that in nearly a decade. Since slashing payroll in 2013 they've finished above league average one time (last year when they were right at average) and haven't been a top 15 spending team once. They've finished 20th or below (4 times) nearly as often as they haven't (4x at 18th and 1x at 16th.) I don't think the perception is all that inaccurate.
  6. Sub prioritize for care if it makes the message more palatable, but I don't think the sentiment is wrong. Last season was a disaster on the field, I doubt the accounting department would describe it similarly. So celebrate the fact that we're not Pittsburgh? "Not as bad as," is beside the point. How shallow is the low end? The Twins have pretty consistently been in the bottom third of payroll.
  7. The Sox did the same thing last year and I'm sure SF was grateful. Obviously it's not apples to apples with the term lengths being thrown around, but I wouldn't read too much into SF not jumping into the bidding war.
  8. Of course. Idk he headlines a deal for anybody of that caliber either.
  9. Yeah even then I'd feel much better about the swap as a Twins fan, which tells me the deal isn't all that even. FWIW I don't value Ober nearly as much as some here do.
  10. I'd phrase it as "Is Luis Arraez worth a frontline SP," and not vice versa. If I'm a Brewers fan I wouldn't be thrilled about giving up an elite arm for Arraez. I really enjoy watching the guy play, but his limited defensive ability + health issues are well documented.
  11. Is it WS or bust for me? No. Was last year a success? Also no. Can I enjoy a lost season? There are certainly aspects or storylines I can enjoy. My level of enjoyment really depends on the type of team I'm watching. I'll always be checking in on the team, but my investment on a game to game basis varies. If you're going to play like the Royals for 4 months and you're trotting out some of the lineups/pitchers the Twins did during must win games/series, eh, I can find better uses for my time. I think Gleeman had a great comment about condensing the offseason. I'd definitely enjoy it more if there was a "signing period," rather than 4+ months of trickle. It's a cop out, but Idk if I can truly separate the ride from the results.
  12. The Padres tendering him a deal last year doesn't make the Twins decision any less perplexing/stupid. So the strategy is to "stash," him on a crowded 40 man and make acquisitions/cuts around him until they get an offer that's acceptable? I mean c'mon....Do you honestly expect teams to start making significantly better offers, ones that would justify Pagan occupying a roster spot, later in the offseason or ST? I understand you aren't beating the drum for Pagan to return, but the logic you're using to rationalize the move is shallow at best. There will almost always be some other team(s) sniffing around. Organizations kicking the tires isn't relevant when we're talking about how a guy like Pagan fits for the Twins. We just watched this play out with Sano, he'll certainly draw interest elsewhere, but I doubt we hear much moaning about the Twins being wrong to move on because somebody else decided to hand him a big league deal.
  13. ....or if the player isn't fixable. It makes plenty of sense to say "he was terrible for us, what we thought we could fix only got worse, let's not pay him again; he can be another team's problem." Neither do I, but I absolutely believe it matters where he was. If having him in house was such an advantage, and the results somehow managed to top his last two s*** seasons, that's a strong indicator that either your ability to "fix," him is non-existent, or there's no fixing to be done. This isn't a card game where the deck just reshuffles; the Twins organization isn't going to radically change between now and opening day, yet we should expect that from Pagan. I forget, was Pagan on that Padres roster Opening Day?.... If MN can unload him, great; good riddance. I don't think whatever paltry return they'd get will be worth tendering him the deal and flirting with having him in the bullpen to start the year, but at that point I won't care.
  14. Yeah I disagree with your interpretation. Those things (physical or mental capability) are a product of the engine, not the the force that's driving it, but that's not really the point. Sure, every team thinks they can fix somebody else's broken pieces, but not every team watches that signing blow up in spectacular fashion and then thinks they'll re-up and run back the same experiment with different results. That's where this argument starts to fall apart for me. If Muncy posts an OPS barely over .600 in 2018 does LA continue feeding him ABs? Ditto for Urshela, and really all the others listed as well, Lopez being the lone exception, and he was a Baltimore draftee and pre arb so it's not really all that comparable. I don't doubt someone else would've given Pagan a shot, but I do have serious doubts about how many other teams would've been eager to hand him a contract if he was blowing games for them last season, or the previous two.
  15. I guess if you believe his issues with HRs and baserunners are going to evaporate then sure, it's the engine. Shiny was in reference to the K rate and "stuff," that's constantly touted despite the poor results. I think there's something that doesn't click internally but the real point was that interest outside of MN doesn't validate the decision to sign or keep Pagan anymore than guys signing or being claimed elsewhere invalidates the Twins decision to let them go. Do I think they were "dumb," for rolling the dice on him last year? Not necessarily, but it wasn't exactly a great gamble. Do I think they're "dumb," for tendering him a deal? If he's on the team opening day, yes. It's such a high risk/low reward move. Even if it works out for this season, the process (acquire a guy who finds a way to go from bad to worse, feed him the ball until your season is cooked, tender him a cheap deal and stick him in lower leverage situations) is awful and non-repeatable.
  16. If I buy a lemon that was much more of a headache than it was worth, and eschew the chance sell and recoup part of my initial investment, was my decision making process sound at any point just because somebody else liked the shiny wheels?
  17. Actively cringing at the fact they could've gotten something for him and instead decided to run it back with one of the worst relief pitchers in team history.
  18. Absolutely love the cream alternate. It's clean, classy, and the all white TC cap fits perfectly. Nice work. The pinstripes for the road unis are cool. Roads are never that flashy but I like these. The Navy alternates are ok. I'm not a huge fan of the lettering but whatever. I didn't realize how large the script on the white tops was when I saw the leaks. Honestly, it's a little much for me. The blue numbering to offset the red script is nice though. I wish they would've gone back to the original sized TC on the caps, it looks like they kept the enlarged version they introduced alongside Kasota Gold. I hate the M caps. The north star (I'm assuming that's what it is) feels so out of place that it ruins any shot at this being a decent cap.
  19. Yep, the dude pretty much eroded any positivity the fanbase had for him over the last 3 years. He played an ugly brand of baseball in the field and at the plate by the end. I don't begrudge anybody for getting tired of watching it, I know I did.
  20. Me too, I hope that color never comes back in any way, shape, or form. The white tops look nice and I agree on the navy alternate as well. I don't think it's much of a step up from the old navy top, and that one looked like a Target knock off jersey IMO.
  21. They limited his innings but he was shelved due to a hip injury (which likely is related to the groin issues he had all of this season) not workload.
  22. Yeah, if shorts starts weren't "the plan," they were at the very least an obvious aftereffect of roster construction and organizational philosophy. Honestly, if the FO wasn't planning on short starts it's probably more of an indictment than simply failing to build a bullpen and develop young arms capable of easing the innings burden.
  23. Totally on board......with a number of years and AAV we feel provides great value. What team isn't interested within those parameters?
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