DocBauer

My initial thought, before reading, was, "Really? It's on these two kids?" But salient points all the way around. Nice article! I am also impatient to see the pipeline actually start to produce fuel for the future. And while I will not make excuses for the FO...I believe in holding them accountable for all the good and not so good...I personally still offer them some slack for 2 primary reasons. 1] While we are all tired of it, the inevitable truth is all but a handful of prospects lost an entire season of development in 2020. Yes, every team was affected. And NO, not everyone was derailed in some way as some talented young pitchers...and position players... have reached the ML level and done well. (BTW, this includes various Twins as well). But some were just drafted in '18-'+19, and saw their development delayed. Again, this is true for all teams. Additionally, Falvey and Levine have had 6 drafts thus far, including the most recent 2022 addition. It's not 7yrs, as some have stated. (Joined October of 2016). It would be unreasonable to expect anyone drafted in the '20-'22 drafts to be knocking on the proverbial door, much less breaking it down and being some sort of rotation mainstay. So the "pipeline" at this point would include anyone of relevance within the system before they came on board, as well as draftees from '17-'19. So even with the missed 2020 year, we're talking about a collection of HS and college arms from those 3 drafts being ready. Just to be real, a HS arm drafted in 2017 would have been in short season rookie ball. If he was a TOP prospect, he'd at least be in low A to begin 2018. Even if he as aggressively promoted straight to high A in 2018, he'd be looking at AA in 2019. Now, that's damn aggressive for a HS kid, but it happens from time to time. But then 2020 happens, and all but a few of top prospects sat out the year, with a few working out at an alternate site, trying to gain some experience. So in this scenario, a TOP HS prospect now reaches AAA in 2021, and MAYBE debuts at some point that year. So now, said TOP HS prospect is ready to have a FULL rookie season in 2022 for his team. And this is just logical steps for a TOP prospect who has no injuries, no setbacks of any kind, and makes steady progress at every level. And I understand an 18yo HS pitcher is different than a 21-22yo college draftee. But more times than not, that college pitcher goes to low A initially for what is a half season once signed. So there a half to a full season ahead of a HS draftee. And yes, they may be more mature physically and mentally, and advance more quickly. Simple logic. And thus, after having a half season of 2017, and 2 full seasons in '18-19, they might have debuted in 2020. Pretty sure a couple did, but not going to dig through 30 teams to see the few who did. So that leaves 2021 as either their debut, or 1st full seasons at the ML level. This is NOT making excuses to the FO, or the "pipeline", this is just NORMAL draft and develop timeliness that would fit most ANY drafted prospect. 2] The idea that someone you didn't sign or draft being a "non-developmental" prospect is absurd to me. You aquire talent in a number of ways, including trades. The fact that Ryan has looked pretty damn good, with potential, is on the Twins. The fact that Duran has been developed and converted is on the Twins. Jax's conversion looks sustainable. Moran's continued improvement is on the Twins. Ober's very nice debut, and his development, in 2021, and his quality results in 2022 when healthy, is on the Twins. Early debuts by Winder, Sands, Varland, SWR, is on the Twins. Hell, the initially solid debut from Dobnak, is on the Twins. (A healthy Dobber might surprise yet as rotation depth). And when I say "on the Twins", I mean the current FO and their coaches from the ML on down, and all their instructors. We have NOT seen what we want to see yet. And I'm as frustrated and anxious as anyone to see the proverbial "pipeline" deliver. But to a degree, we HAVE started to see the pipeline deliver. And if you take a step back and honestly look at everything I stated above, which is a PERFECT developmental scenario...which seldom happens...don't you have to realize that we're just starting to see the fruits of labor potentially blooming? Impatience and frustration are easy. Patience and perspective is much harder.

Very entertaining read. And I'm very jealous! Been a Twins fan for over 50yrs and a rabid one for well over 40yrs. But I've seen, I believe, the Twins play live 7 times in all of those years. The first was a double header against the Tigers in about '70 or '71 in the old Met stadium with my dad, the little league team he helped coach, and the head coach. The next 2 were against the Angels in '84 when my dad, uncle, and I attended the Olympics that year. And I believe I've been to Kaufman in KC 2 or 3 times. (Memories get mixed at times). Despite living in South Dakota and Nebraska my whole life, time, $, and opportunity never really lined to see them at home until recently. Afraid my Twins experience has mostly been on 57.0 out of Yangton, and games on TV during visits to family in SD, until I got the internet package about 10yrs ago. (One of the very best things about the internet)! I was FINALLY able to catch the Twins against the Rangers in August on a very special trip to the Cities with my father and previously mentioned uncle, who resides there now. A Vikings/Twins 2-for weekend that didn't allow time to catch the Saints, unfortunately. The OF was in shambles, the lineup did nothing, Ryan was great, and Pagan was his normal, explosive self. But it was a FANTASTIC experience nonetheless! It was actually the Twins HOF ceremony game mentioned. (We hadn't remembered that was the case until we arrived). I appreciate people with busy schedules and impatient children involved in such an affair, but we felt blessed to be there on that day, despite the loss to the Rangers. It was wonderful to see those who were inducted, visited, and hear the speeches. I didn't enjoy the cost for concessions, of course, but that was to be expected, lol. BUT, a pair of blue can "Twins Brew" tall boys for $25 was a bit much! (Good beer, but went cheaper after that). Seeing, and touring Target Field for the 1st time was amazing. The stadium and field were as gorgeous as I expected and seen on TV and video clips! We left with some sunburn, lol, a program I have framed in my family room, a pack of 3 commemorative pins, a couple other purchased souvenirs, and a head full of memories that will never leave! Visiting the Kernals, not that far from Omaha, and a return trip to see both the Saints and Twins on the same visit remain on mine and my father's wish list. Reading this, and being jealous, lol, only makes me want to do these even more. Go Twins!

No thank you. Forgetting 2022 and any remaining hope/belief he might turn up in shape and determined and ready to go, or that he might suddenly be capable of playing 140+ games sometimes it's just time for both parties to move on. I also don't see a fit. Arraez is at 1B, and hopefully Kirilloff will finally be healthy and able to advance his career. Miranda and Gallo can also play 1B. This team needs a RH bat who can play OF to counter all the LH bats, and be better than Garlick. There's still a handful of guys out there who can fill that role. And brining them on board is a better fit for the team construction than hoping Sano would suddenly be what he was always hoped for.

A few things come to mind in regard to Larnach: 1] His pair of injuries are obviously very frustrating, and have robbed him of development time at the ML level, and the Twins lineup for his potential production. But neither injury was related to the other, so nothing chronic appears to be taking place here. 2] Coming out of college, if you read a dozen scouting reports...which I have...you would see a split of him being lumbering OF to an OF with at least average speed and athleticism, if not a good mover for being a pretty big guy. The majority or reports had him at least average. In relatively SSS, he's looked OK to me moving in the OF. And the arm is GREAT! He needs to continue to put in the work to track and take good routes, but I see a solid defensive OF, with the aforementioned great arm. IMO, if things work out well, I think he's probably destined for RF eventually with Martin in LF. (Not dismissing the potential of Wallner, but focusing on Larnach). 3] I love his power. When your, potentially, biggest question is finding a way to take all the power you show hitting the other way to having more pull power, you should feel pretty good about potential. He seems to have a solid eye, solid BA potential, and a decent OB as he doesn't appear to have outrageous K numbers. I'm not saying he's a finished product yet, but examining his bat in college and milb and his early returns at the ML level, he looks like he can be a pretty solid hitter. Since he was mentioned, I'm not dismissing Kirilloff in the lineup. There is no reason he can't continue to play some corner OF, I just feel he has the potential to be a very good 1B and will settle in their on a regular basis. Of course, unfortunately, his injury issue has been chronic. If his latest procedure actual works...knock on wood...he can be a difference maker in the lineup, even if he needs a little time to get comfortable. I just think he'll fit better at 1B on a more regular basis.

Good move. He's been solid since he came to us and should be a great #4 option. (HInt-hint, we should still maybe sign a LH FA).

A great article! Very detailed and in depth! Couldn't agree more. I'm a believer in Jeffer's potential and don't think we've seen the best of him yet. I think a lot of people sell him short on his defense and handling of the staff, and don't realize he's as young as he is, and still only has a little over 500 ML AB. Boy, if AK could just get healthy and stay that way, what a difference he could make! I would have made your post "6" instead of 4. Larnach could also be a major difference maker. He's solid enough in the OF, should get better in time, and has a tremendous arm. We've seen flashes of what his bat might bring. And I think a lot of people forget about and undersell on Ober. While his IP were regulated in 2021, with just cause, he looked really good and finished strong. He was good to great in 2022 when healthy. Will he always have injury concerns? Or did all the changes and improvements he made in 2021 just get temporarily messed up due to non monitored offseason workouts and a short ST? I believe he's a solid mid rotation starter if he can just take the mound a good 26-28 turns.

First of all, having baseball of any sort is better than not having baseball. I can't say I'm excited about 2023's W-L prospects as I've been pretty disappointed in the offseason thus far, even though I don't believe the FO is done yet. I firmly, 100% believe better health is the ABSOLUTE #1 key to 2023. 1] I'm by no means giddy with excitement about our starting staff, but I DO like it. ZERO structural issues with Mahle, who has been pretty forthright in stating the weird offseason, no work with the team (Reds), followed by a shortened ST and then trying to do too much "tired" his arm. Did this all have a similar affect on Gray? He was pretty damn good when healthy. How much better could he have been without the nagging hamstring issues? How much better can Ryan become, and how much better might he have been if not for being knocked out by covid? Ober had his IP monitored in 2021 but flashed and finished strong. He looked good when on the mound last year. Could he also have been affected by the strange offseason and short ST? How good can he be with 26-28 GS? Reports last season had the Twins really optimistic about how Maeda looked, especially his control, which is often the last thing to come back. I liked what I saw from Winder, generally, early in the year. Varland and SWR had really good milb seasons and certainly didn't look out of place in their debuts. Is it possible Dobnak's finger is healed and he can be a 6-9th SP option? I'm nervous, but like the talent base and possible depth. Even with Pagan still around...ugh...I like the foundation of the pen. I like it better if they add at least 1 more quality 7th-8th inning arm. While I still like Jeffers and don't believe we've seen his full potential yet, I really like adding Vazquez to be the leader behind the plate. My hunch is Miranda is going to be OK at 3B and continue to grow as a hitter. A healthy Polanco is a MAJOR KEY to the lineup. He was having a pretty good year until injuries stalled him. Can't forget batting champ Arraez! Can we be OK with Farmer at SS? Is there a way to improve there that doesn't cost too much and can allow him to be a super-sub? Are we better off taking a flier on someone like Andrus for a year? SS is, unfortunately, a potential issue for half, if not most of the year. I'm not a big fan of Joey Gallo or his signing. But I've come around as to the potential he brings. He brings GG defense equivalent to Kepler...who still may be moved...and has been a full time, ML OF, since 2017. There's a lot of ways to be a productive offensive player. If you take away his nightmarish 2022 season in which he just never fit in or felt comfortable in NY or LA, he has a career OPS of .830. So if you squint past 2022 and look at his other 5 seasons since 2017, you can see the method in the madness of the signing. We know who and what Buxton is and what he brings. I like the development of Gordon. A healthy, fully functioning Larnach and Kirilloff can be HUGE for 2023 and beyond. The talent is there. Is this their season to finally get right? I'd prefer Celestino and Wallner to begin the year at St Paul to smooth rough edges. I'd prefer Garlick to also be there as insurance because they'd still sign a better RH bat. Someone posted recently that the Twins faced LHP about 30% of the time in 2022, starters and relievers. Pollack and Mancini might be the last 2 FA RH bats who could actually make a difference. Both bring power and the ability to hit LHP. Pollack can play both corners, and be an fill-in here and there at CF. Mancini is better at 1B, but is capable of playing some corner OF as well as Garlick, I'd say. What I find so interesting, exciting, and equally frustrating is the Twins have actually been transitioning to the "next wave" since 2020 in various ways, but obviously with mixed and frustrating results due mostly to injury, as well as the customary, almost expected "learning curve". On the mound we've seen Ryan, Ober, Duran, Jax, and Moran begin to establish themselves. We've seen at least glimpses of Winder, Sands, Henriquez, Alcala, Varland, and SWR. Position wise it's been Arraez, Miranda, Gordon, Kirilloff, Larnach, Jeffers, Celestio, Lewis, and Wallner. And almost all of them have teased and flashed. Not all will be starters or stars, but they make up, potentially, a pretty good looking team if they can begin to come on together. I think there's a lot to like and have anticipation for, veterans as well as young/younger talent. (Of course, kind of goes without saying there's at least a few more prospects to be excited about that haven't debuted yet but might be close). But I'm not satisfied right now. I'm just assuming Correa isn't going to drop back in our laps again. And any difference maker is already gone from the FA market. BUT, there is $ to spend and still some solid players available to deepen and augment the team we "have now". 1] For goodness sake, WHY do we keep ignoring the need for a solid RH bat that can help make a difference? Could be another win or two! How about all those 1 run games we lost? Better health may be the #1 issue for this team, but how about that game or two we might win by having a good RH bat? 2] I think Moran and Alcala could have really good, even bright, futures in the pen. And we ABSOLUTELY have to have 1 or 2 guys for middle relief to bridge the gap from starters to back end of the pen. (HELLO Winder, Sands, Henriquez, and others), but why COUNT on Moran and Alcala from day one when you can deepen the entire staff as a WHOLE by building up the pen? The $ is there to make a difference. 3] I just don't know about SS. How many "possible trade" scenarios and options have been presented here on TD? But none offer difference makers. What's the prospect cost for an OK SS to fill in until Lewis or Lee are ready? I'm not crazy about trading, but it's an option if it can be done cheaply. But I dare say...even though it's not exciting in the least...the Twins might be better off with a 1yr deal for someone like Iglesias or Andrus to just hold the spot, not embarrass themselves or the lineup, and let Farmer be a nice utility guy. I think there IS reason for some optimism, as Ted has pointed out. If you missed out on a difference maker, then spend the $ available to add that RH bat, a BP arm or two, and MAYBE you can still add a place holder at SS somehow. Work harder on the fundamentals that seemed missing at times last year. (Of course, having something better than a AAA team on the field makes a difference there as well). Raise the team WAR by deepening the team. Win more of those 1 run games by deepening the team. But healthy veterans allowed to produce and healthy youngsters finally allowed to hit their stride is probably still the #1 key.

EXCUSE ME HERE! I CLEARLY STATED that EGO can be a GOOD THING. I stated it can be about pride in one's self worth and a place in the world. I also CLEARY stated that EGO is ONLY a problem if it leads to conceit. Where did I state ANYONE was filled with conceit? You might want re-read what I posted. I even stated Cohen is playing within the current rules. I was VERY CLEAR as to the value of MLB changing their future to make a better, more profitable future for the sake of baseball. And that includes the EGO of the owners to have a franchise who can compete. I CLEARLY stated a YES and NO for the affects of Cohen and his future on MLB. As well as a hopeful affect on the future of MLB. So you either didn't either actually read what I said, OR, you're just bitter about something that I don't understand. .

Not disagreeing. And some front loading makes tons of sense, especially as I believe that was in the original offer. But I believe the initial offer had a player opt out at 4yrs. And I'd stick with that. That pays him, but let's him opt out when he's still around 31-32yrs old. And if I'm Boras and Correa...wanting to bet on himself...I'd really like this option. In fact, ultimately, it MIGHT play in the Twins favor as if he DID opt out at that stage. They would get 4 of his very best years and might be better prepared to "lose" him at that point, have a replacement option potentially available, and free up $ for extensions to current players and future signings. And if he sticks around, he gets 1 more opt out 2yrs later, at his discretion, and makes a boatload of guaranteed $ even if he never opts out. Personally, when the Giants deal was over and done, I thought the Twins deal still made better sense for Correa than the Mets offer. Another $30M guaranteed with ZERO opt outs vs being able to do so in 4yrs and look for yet another deal makes more sense to me from Correa's perspective. Turner is about 3yrs older than Correa and got a $300M deal. So why not take a somewhat lesser, still guaranteed deal, and re-enter the market in 4yrs where you might make even more? IMO, if the Mets try to lower their offer, Boras should be BANGING on the Twins door to get their offer DONE! *Caveat, he still has to pass a physical. But he already did when the Twins gave him the initial 3yr and $105M deal. Has anything really changed since then?

In the short term, is Cohen good for baseball? The answer is NO. He is adding to the problems with baseball, and the vast inequity that exists in the game itself. And please, no tired arguements that EVERY ownership could just match the Mets and every team could have a $300M payroll, pay luxury taxes, etc. IF Correa indeed signs on the dotted line, the Mets will pay close to $500M in total payroll and taxes in 2023. The Braves, being publicly owned, are the ONLY team in MLB that are forced to open their books. They earned something like $530M in 2022. So if they matched the Mets, almost their entire earnings would be spent on payroll before paying managers, coaches, front office personnel, scouts, trainers, milb players and personnel, improvements to facilities, etc. And that's while having a TBS as their flag station nation wide. We are NOT talking about an even playing field, regardless of how you feel about billionaire ownership. Is Cohen good for baseball long term? Probably YES. Why? Because he...and to a lesser degree the Yankees, Dogers, Giants, etc...are going to force real change in the game itself. OR, the game will irreparably broken. Cohen is playing within the parameters of the rules, as they have been written by ownership/MLB. But we are headed toward what should be a cataclysm event in about 4yrs when the next collective bargaining takes place. Remember, we're still talking about 30 ownership groups here. At some point...possibly firmly nudged by lack of attendance and dwindling interest in such a maddening uneven sport...the majority of owners are going to be fed up. They will not be competitive. Profits will shrink. Egos will be bruised. Even billionaires will cry out "this isn't right or fair!" Said owners will continue to see the wealth and growth of the NFL...and even college football's popularity in the mainstream of public consumption...and realize they are "losing", despite the $ pouring in. EGO is not a bad thing. It's about pride, confidence, and a feeling of quality and worth, as long as it doesn't become something tainted by pure conceit. I dare say every sports team owner has purchased their team not merely as a future sales investment, not as yet another source of income since their other business ventures undoubtedly earn far more, but because they had the EGO to want to have something to "play with" and be a part of. Personally, I've never begrudged players making $M's, nor owners making $ off their teams. BUT, if you're going to own a pro team, in any sport, you should try to make your "hobby" a fun and winning hobby...even making some profit from it...or you just picked the wrong investment to have fun with. Start a bridge club, play poker, or learn to play D&D if you don't want to "pony up" to try to compete. But yet again, we're not talking about a level playing field. MLB ownership needs to step up, FINALLY, in a few years to realize how crazy this is all becoming. Hence, EGO in their investment in which their very name is attached! MORE EQUITABLE revenue sharing. A solid, quality FLOOR that EVERY TEAM needs to be at. You might even have a floating floor for teams as players age and move and trams re-build. And then you need some sort of CEILING to CAP what is allowed for competitive balance. Said ceiling might STILL include some "soft cap" flexibility for existing talent to be retained, similar to the NBA. Like the NFL...the juggernaut of American sports...some teams will still be more profitable due to various media deals, attendance, merchandise, etc. But it will be up to ownership to hire the right people to run the franchise, make moves, draft and develop smart, sign the right FA, and provide the best team possible to win and compete. So YES, Cohen could be good for the future of MLB as the "other" owners see their investments shrink, their EGO's bruised, lower fan interest due to lack of competitive interest, etc, and say "enough is enough". We need a change or see our sport shrink. Either that, or baseball is going to start a slow death spiral that none of us wants to see, and I doubt ownership wants to see either.

Just my opinion: 1] His medicals and physical were good enough for the Twins to commit 3yrs and $35M per. Any injury or health situation in 2022 was never related to this old injury. He "dinged" his leg once during the season and it appeared to hurt pretty good. But he was fine after that. This appears to be something the Twins are already fully aware of. 2] On the other hand, sure seemed weird that Boras was in such an immediate hurry to make a midnight deal with the Mets for a lesser amount than the Giants, though reportedly slightly higher than the Mets 1st offer. Were the Giants just DONE? Were the Mets the only $300M option? If Boras and Correa do come calling again, I think the Twins should probably jump as long as nothing new has happened to alter what they, seemingly, already previously knew.

Severino? The 2-time bonus baby started to really come on last season at A+ and AA. Not sure if he begins 2023 at AA or is ready to take that next step. Tons of potential. Is this the year he establishes himself as a top prospect? He's still only 23yo. Festa? I could care less that he was a 13th round pick. He flashed at low A, slipped a little at high A, and then finished really strong. Is he for real? Sure looks like the stuff is, and he won't be 23yo until March. Raya? He finally got to pitch! He looked really good in his initial season. He's still very young. Just how good can he be in season 2?

This is me spitballing everything we think we know based on what's happened to Correa in this crazy offseason. 1] I don't think the Twins missed anything. They, and every other team, have access to his records and knew about the 2014 injury. The Twins saw zero concern. 2] There was a game, I want to say in July but I forget for sure now, where he "dinged" himself on a slide and the plate in his leg "resonated" or moved, or did something to cause pain. I have a pin in a finger that caused pain once in a while for years when my hand hit something. And that's a much smaller situation. I know people who have plates or rods in their legs that have issues once in a while, though they are not debilitated, but might have an issue once in a while. Is it possible that time and playing has made Correa's physicals question the "long term stability" of his plate? Has it made insuring said plate an issue? Right or wrong, I think this makes the most sense. 3] It's entirely possible this much ado about nothing. Correa was fine all season in regard to his legs. The Twins would ALSO want a new physical if he was signed, that is just due diligence. 4] I still find it "interesting" that Boras moved so fast to get a deal done with the Mets. I'm not much for conspiracy thinking, but it gives me some pause. But at this point, with the Mets' mad dash spending spree, I wouldn't be a bit surprise if they lowered their offer a bit, ignored the cost of insuring the deal, and still signed Correa. It's what I expect to happen. But I also expected Correa to already be signed, sealed, and delivered twice already. IF the deal with the Mets falls through, or they try to amend the deal to something like 10yrs and $300M or less...a big IF IMO...it is my hope that Boras and the Twins will talk again. The Twins were convinced he was good for 3yrs and $35M per before hand. Is there really something so new and different that they would remove their offer? And with the built in opt outs, Correa can still bet on his future earnings at 31-32yrs old if he wants to. All of these crazy $ amounts are beyond my imagination. Is it possible, at some point, he'd need a 2nd surgery to "tweak" this plate in his leg during an offseason surgery? Maybe. What's the risk vs reward IF this comes to pass? I doubt opportunity comes knocking a 3rd time. But if it does, the Twins might be smart to open the door for the long play.

The Padres DID misuse Rogers based on his history with the Twins. He was reasonably effective against RH hitters, IIRC, and used in high leverage situations but not as a true closer who often pitched consecutive days. I believe his ERA when used on consecutive days rose something like a full run or more. He didn't just stink, but he was less effective to be sure. The Padres, somehow, weren't aware of this and thought he could be a elite 30+ save guy. That's not who he has ever been. I loved having Rogers in our pen. I would have liked him coming back...though I like some of the other remaining LH on the market...but I wouldn't have even considered the contract the Giants gave him.

A well written article Nick, with some great observations. The difference between Rogers and Pagan is Rogers has had a much better career thus far, and was coming off an injury, and probably wasn't used properly. Pagan has been pretty much just bad except for 1yr of his career. Someone who likes his underlying peripherals and pry him from the Twins with a decent offer. Please! I like the base of our pen, especially if we actually account for at least one solid middle man this year. Two would be awesome. I have a lot of belief in Moran and Alcala to be bug parts of our pen. But why lock them in to a spot when we have the opportunity to add at least 1, if not 2, previously proven arms to create the best and deepest bullpen we can? Would be nice if they could still come up with a quality RH batter ad well, but maxing out the pen deepens the STAFF as a whole.

Guess it's time to post in this OP as well as the other, LOL. Let's say the Mets just go for it, even with an adjusted offer. No problem. Probably what ends up happening. But let's say they cut the years and the $ amount, or even want to include some sort of team option. Circle back to the Twins in this scenario. The Twins would have every right to A) want a physical and all pertinent information, and B) considering amending their original offer. Now, amending said offer only goes so far as I doubt the Mets would just low ball Correa. But let's say the Mets drop to around 10 and $290. And even if the Twins have some concerns, they still have an opportunity to add someone special...playing the odds...that's going to probably be pretty good for at least the first half of the deal. They MIGHT still go 10yrs, but front load a bit more, and maybe drop their offer $10-20M, theoretically, and still offer an opt out after 4yrs. The $ are still very close. Correa still has the ability to bet on himself in 4yrs at only age 31. Further, instead of moving to 3B, he still plays SS. Don't think I've heard anyone bring up the difference, for Correa, of still playing SS vs moving to 3B. There's way too many moving parts here. And I can easily see him sticking with an adjusted offer from the Mets. But if the Twins are willing to take a bit of a risk...that might never cause an issue...they might "steal" a top ML SS for the next 4-6-7yrs for their original offer, or a slightly amended version. And Correa, and his family, might just prefer Minnesota vs NY and allow him to continue at SS for very close $, but with the option to still bet on himself in 4yrs.

I don't think it's just a matter of the physical. I fully understand all of these teams pausing when their medical experts come back with concerns. This is a huge and long obligation we are talking about. But a team can still decided it's worth the risk and go right ahead and sign him. BUT, it might be more about the insurance you'd like to place on the contract. It might be refused, or so expensive it's not worth paying for. If things start to fall apart in NY, as I stated previously, it MIGHT be an opportunity for the TWINS to take a worthwhile shot for a great player on a shorter/smaller deal of their own and just live with the risk. The reward might be too great.

Don't want him on the Twins in any way, shape, or form. Not everyone has to be a saint, but I do think it's OK to just avoid someone who seems to be a lot of trouble. Never really cared for the guy. Always hoped we weren't somehow, distantly, related.

To be fair, I did forget to include Mancini as a 1B, OK OF who's probably, almost certainly, better as a hitter thank Garlick and about the same defensively in the OF.

Yes, the Twins still need at least some pitching. To repeat a boring but accurate mantra; the Twins have the best available pitching depth they've had in years, rotation and pen, if they are healthy. You can view this in 2 very distinct ways: 1] The Twins don't have a true #1, so their rotation is mediocre at best. And if you're betting on better health, your a fool as there are too many questions right now to place that bet. And the depth is young and unproven. The pen lacks a true closer, still has Pagan, and middle relief is still a question, 2] Virtually EVERY ML team has injury questions regarding their staff, more so their rotation, usually. Lacking some kind of ACE or PROVEN #1 is also something most teams struggle with. For the first time in a couple of years we will have an actual, normal ramp up to the season. This means pitchers will actually have team personnel working with the pitchers even before ST starts. (Mahle in particular spoke about this previously). Could a normal ramp up and a normal ST make a big difference for Gray and Mahle to not have hamstring issues and a tired arm by mid season? Could Ober, and his new-found mechanics in 2021 keep him, at least mostly, healthy for a year now that things are normal in 2023? Can Maeda continue to build himself up, even with a few off days here and there during the season, be relied on? How about a healthy Alcala building on what he did to finish 2021 and his start to 2022 before injury? How about 5 guys in the rotation that are all #2-#3 and at worst a solid #4 with a solid pen? The #2 option is not longer by design. It's just a fact that naysaying is easier and thus shorter to extrapolate than the positive aspects. I just don't want to trade any more talent in the system, or off the ML roster, to add Lopez, or similar. But I'm not paid to make these decisions. And frankly, I'm not knowledgeable enough to know/understand if the Twins got a STEAL by doing so. But I do object to continuing to trade away talent for 1 or 2yr options on a pitcher and depleting the system when some of those "unproven" arms might be really good in a year or two. At some point, you have to trust in what you have and let them learn, and grow, and shine. If you could tell me for certain that Eovaldi would be healthy enough for 25-28 GS for 3yrs at $18-20M per, I'd jump on that, monitor his IP, and make sure he was fresh for the playoffs because he CAN be a difference maker. He's as good, or slightly better, than what the Twins have now. But I'd better have the 6-8 SP that it APPEARS the Twins might have. I trust in the potential of Alcala and Moran. I trust in the group of Winder, Sands, Henriquez, Varland, SWR, and others to provide rotation depth and middle relief as bridge options to the back end of the pen. I still don't trust Pagan in any way, shape, or form and still think he's a huge mistake to keep around. But other than a POTENTIAL deal with Eovaldi, once again, there's nothing left on the FA market that could make any kind of difference. And there is ZERO sustainability as a franchise if you keep trading away the future. I'd trust in what we have, talent and better health, use the young depth, and add a couple quality bullpen arms still available, and build my STAFF that way. Drop or trade Pagan for a bag of balls. Sheesh! I just can't believe we're still talking about him! Add a Rogers or Hand from the LH side. Add Fulmer or similar and make Moran and others earn their spot. At some point, you will have to promote due to injuries and the such. But why not make your pen as deep as you can to comment a solid but not great starting staff?

Really, really disappointed to see Myers signed today. His deal was, IIRC, less than $8M with some incentives and options. VERY affordable deal! It still appears Kepler will be moved to make room for a hopeful resurgence of Gallo and the remaining glut...though a talented glut...of other LH options. But who's the RH option? Garlick is what they're willing to roll with? Honestly, who's left? Maybe I'm missing someone, but the only options I see left are Pollack or Profar. I have to be honest, I haven't had time to look at Profar's splits, as I wasn't sure he was the right fit, and it was reported Houston was hot on his trail. I know a lot of people aren't high on AJ Pollack, but he might make sense. Even with a down 2022, he wasn't awful. And he was still good against LH pitching. He's also not the defender he once was, but could cover the corners and slide in to CF in a pinch here and there, even though I think Gordon would probably be the #1 backup to give Buxton a day off. The roster SHOULD be constructed so that Celestino can spend some valuable time at AAA, where he's barely played, to get his bat going and smooth out some rough edges in his overall game. He's been pushed 2yrs in a row to the ML level when he wasn't fully ready. If not Pollack...who never should have turned down his 1yr player option...on a 1yr with the Twins, maybe with an option, then who? The Twins SHOULD have been looking for someone better than Garlick to fill this role. Am I missing someone else?

You could do worse than IKF at SS and allow Farmer to be a super utility guy, but why trade for him instead of a possible 1yr deal for a similar player in Iglesias? For that matter, how about a 1yr deal with an option and $1M buyout on an Andrus gamble that the return of his bat in 2022 wasn't a 1 shot deal? I don't think I see a fit. Escobar still has value as a utility player and solid bat with some power. But he'd have to come cheap otherwise, roll with what you have I guess. Are there FA options at utility that are worth anything? I'd have to go looking at the list of available again, but not sure there's much left there of interest. Everything else is a no. Looks like Garlick is going to be our RH role playing OF after Myers was signed to a cheap deal. Ugh!

As I stated previously, I never expect3d Correa back. But I fooled myself in to thinking there was a real chance for a while this offseason. But I just don't understand how any of this was handled. 1] Apparently, the FO really and truly believed anyone else interested was in the $290-300M range so they were right in it. And maybe they were right initially. But when it became obvious it was going to have to be an offer at $300M plus, they had the option to walk away or stay in. 2] The 3yr deal they gave to Correa was real. If he didn't opt out for any reason, he got another $35M in 2023. Same for 2024. So if they were willing to pay him $35M per year initially, then why not in the new offer? Or front load the first few years while payroll is so flexible? 3] We'll probably never know what happened at midnight and if the Twins were even kept in the loop or not. But if Correa really wanted to stay, and the FO had actually offered him 10yrs and $300-310-ish, he might be a Twin right now. But then again, the Mets could have just gone $330 or more...since they seem to be printing $ these days...and blown the Twins out of the water as the Giants did. None of this makes any sense and that's my biggest issue.

The reality is he played mostly 3B and 2B in college but is a great athlete so the Jays decided they should try him at SS. And the Twins have carried on this idea. And it's not a stupid idea. He's a wonderful athlete with at least a decent arm. It's sort of the reverse draft idea where you draft and sign a bunch of SS knowing most will transition to a different spot eventually, with some turning out to be solid utility players. I've always stated that if there is any chance a prospect could play SS, you play them there as long as you can in hope they just might STICK. And let's be honest, except for some truly GREAT glove SS, most still struggle a little at the ML level initially. So I wouldn't abandon Martin still being a SS. But this kid has been behind the 8 ball since drafted. He's drafted, sits out a whole year, then goes straight to AA and is asked to play a different position. I'm encouraged by Martin after his AFL performance not because it's a mostly hitter friendly league, but because he continued his upward trend in the last month or so what he did in AA, reportedly healthy again. He can play 3B a d 2B. The Twins have stated he's a "natural" in the OF. But at some point, despite all of his athleticism, you have to come to the conclusion he's just not a starting ML SS. And that's OK. I've compared him many times to Alex Gordon of the Royals. He was a top 3B prospect who just didn't turn out to be the 3B that they thought he would be, for whatever reason. And I would never say DON'T continue to play him at SS as he could be a viable backup there, but at some point you have to be smart enough as an organization to realize what you have. Martin is a LF/CF, top of the order hitter who can cover 3B/2B and be an emergency SS. Deal with it and watch him explode as a hitter and producer, potentially. I hate to compare greatness with a prospect, but Lee is a Ripken, Correa type of SS. Great intelligence, instinct, hands and arm. He could just settle in at SS and never look back. But I think we agree that Lewis has the ability to be a quality SS. And he doesn't have to be great. And who knows, very good to great only happens with time. I don't know if Lewis is ready June or July. I think the Twins will be somewhat guarded. But he's their guy moving forward. My thought is, for the immediate future, maybe they should grab an Iglesias or Andrus short term to allow Farmer to be a solid super-utility option.

Interesting and a bit sad when you look at the history...especially recent history...of the Twins that they have had so few SS that were truly great/very good players. When I was a kid growing up and learning baseball and falling in love with the Twins, Smalley was the SS. And he was pretty damn good. The next really good SS was Gagne, who never won ANYTHING, but was damn good with the glove and OK with the bat. Heck, even Pat Mears was pretty good for a few years, as was Guzman. Since then it's been poor production, glove only, promising but traded away, etc. I am in the camp that wanted Correa because he would change all of that. I think, despite probably retiring with enough $ to make his great grandkids rich, he's so damn smart he could make a fine manager one day if he wanted to stay in the game. But, alas.... Unless something with Lewis is just "wrong" or chronic with his knee going forward, I believe he's our SS at some point in 2023 and going forward. Maybe I'm just a super optimist, but I believe in him 100%. My wanting Correa back wasn't about a disbelief in Lewis, but to add someone special to the organization and let Lewis be great somewhere else, probably 2B, allowing Lee to play 3B, Miranda sharing 1B and 3B and DH, etc. I've seen enough of Lewis at SS in milb highlights, ST games, and his brief 2022 at the ML level to know he can handle the position. Can he become a Gold Glover at SS one day? Who knows? That's like trying to predict a top pitching prospect to challenge for or win a Cy Young. With his bat potential, do we care if he's GG worthy? Who knows, with time he might be. But how about just really good defense, making all the normal plays, a few great ones, and let him learn and develop and see how good he might be? Reminder, he's an amazing athlete who lost nothing athletically after his last surgery. This latest setback was only a partial tear with the new re-inforcement techniques being used. IMO, he's going to be fine. And even if he loses a half step of elite speed and quickness, he's still got plenty left.