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Article: Supplementing The Twins: A Rotation Trio
gunnarthor replied to Ted Schwerzler's topic in Twins Daily Front Page News
I guess it just depends on the cost. All could be useful in some way. -
Article: The Hunt For An Ace Starter
gunnarthor replied to Nick Nelson's topic in Twins Daily Front Page News
Yeah, I don't even think it's close. Take Hill out of Dodger stadium and his 89mph avg fastball, his flyball tendencies, his HR tendenices and it's not even a debate. You have to really love fip to think Hill is better. -
Article: Can Minnesota Follow Houston's Blueprint?
gunnarthor replied to Cody Christie's topic in Twins Daily Front Page News
I disagree. You just have to accept that there will be misses. If Gonsalves went in the first round and Stewart went in the fourth, would that change how you view that draft? Pitchers are a quantity game. Stewart was definitely the right pick. I see arguments against the Jay pick but still understand it.- 54 replies
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Article: Can Minnesota Follow Houston's Blueprint?
gunnarthor replied to Cody Christie's topic in Twins Daily Front Page News
Actually, as you know, if he's a viable reliever, he'll still be viable for his draft spot. Baseball drafts are really, really hard.- 54 replies
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Article: The Hunt For An Ace Starter
gunnarthor replied to Nick Nelson's topic in Twins Daily Front Page News
That's a hell of a qualifier. Over the past two years, Hill has put up a 149 ERA+ in 246 innings while pitching in the NL in an extremely good pitching ball park. He's amassed 3.5 WAR. Santana has pitched in a hitters park in the AL the last two years and put up 8.4 WAR while throwing 393 innings with a 131 ERA+. I can't see how anyone can make a claim that Hill is an ace but Santana is not. And Hill got rocked in his first start this post-season too. Rate stats are nice but you're taking them a bit too far. -
Article: The Hunt For An Ace Starter
gunnarthor replied to Nick Nelson's topic in Twins Daily Front Page News
Are we really convinced on Lamet? He wasn't exactly a highly thought of prospect. He pitched in one of the best pitcher's parks in the country. In 21 starts, he amassed less than 0.5 bWAR and 1.3 fWAR. His home/away splits weren't quite as big as Rich Hill but they were big. Yes, he struck out a lot of guys but he pitched in the NL. He had a low babip (that gets mentioned sometimes when we talk about Twins pitchers) and is a big flyball pitcher and gave up HR's at a worse pace than even Bartolo Colon. We really think this guy is worth two top 100 prospects? -
Article: Do The Twins Need A Proven Closer?
gunnarthor replied to Nick Nelson's topic in Twins Daily Front Page News
Would you rather have had him pitch or Hildenberger and Busentiz? And, frankly, our bullpen was fine at the end of the season and did ok against NY. Santana and Berrios gave up all but one run.- 56 replies
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Article: The Hunt For An Ace Starter
gunnarthor replied to Nick Nelson's topic in Twins Daily Front Page News
In what world is Rich Hill an ace and Ervin Santana is not? -
Article: Can Minnesota Follow Houston's Blueprint?
gunnarthor replied to Cody Christie's topic in Twins Daily Front Page News
Eh, sure. The Twins were a playoff team this year, they could be a whole lot more next year. We'll have a better idea in a few months.- 54 replies
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Article: Do The Twins Need A Proven Closer?
gunnarthor replied to Nick Nelson's topic in Twins Daily Front Page News
Twins have a long history of giving over the closing job to guys who hadn't done it before - Everyday Eddie, Nathan, Perkins, Kintzler, Belisle. I imagine they will continue that trend.- 56 replies
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Article: Supplementing the Twins: Tyler Chatwood
gunnarthor replied to Ted Schwerzler's topic in Twins Daily Front Page News
The Twins can't afford a contract like Scherzer's or Lester's or Verlander's at all. It wasn't about the prospects, it was cost. The Pohlads aren't going to do this. We have 20+ years of history here. The Twins won't sign these guys. Comparing the Twins to the Dodgers, who were able to keep their multiple Cy Young winner while the Twins had to trade theirs away, isn't helpful. The Cubs are paying Arrieta 15.5m, Lackey 16m and Lester 25m this year. The Yankees have two FA starters making 22m or more, this year. The Astros could take on Verlander's salary. Falvey was hired b/c ownership thinks he can create a cheap competitive team. Payroll will remain in the bottom third of the league. That means we're probably looking at 110m payroll. If we stretch it, it might get to 120 but I'd bet heavily against that. Ownership is going to use the old excuses about not signing longterm contracts to make sure they have money available for raises for our core. And then they'll let that core leave when the market resets next offseason. -
Article: Supplementing the Twins: Tyler Chatwood
gunnarthor replied to Ted Schwerzler's topic in Twins Daily Front Page News
The Twins have Berrios who was pretty well regarded prospect and had a pretty nice season. They also have four starting pitchers in AA or above that have been top 100 guys on some list - Thorpe, Gonsalves, Romero and Stewart. Only Thorpe wasn't on a top 100 list last year although Stewart probably isn't this year. They could combine a few of those with Gordon to make a solid trade. They could see how they develop and mix them in next year. Basically, the Twins have options if they want. What they don't have the ability to do is sign Darvish. But you're main problem is suggesting that the Twins follow a blueprint of the Yankees, Dodgers, Astros or Nats. Those teams are spending way, way more than the Twins. -
Article: Supplementing the Twins: Tyler Chatwood
gunnarthor replied to Ted Schwerzler's topic in Twins Daily Front Page News
If the Twins had more reliable back end of the rotation, they might not have been in the wild card game. They had a solid front of the rotation in Santana and Berrios. By both bWAR and fWAR, Ervin Santana would have been the second best pitcher on the Yankees. So we had a shot. They just need a better staff for a season and not a one game playoff. That can be done several ways. It's not realistic though to expect the Pohlads to pay for Darvish. You need a different plan. -
Article: Supplementing the Twins: Tyler Chatwood
gunnarthor replied to Ted Schwerzler's topic in Twins Daily Front Page News
These kind of posts don't help. Everyone wants to win and the suggestion is that those who want someone less than Darvish don't. -
Article: Supplementing the Twins: Tyler Chatwood
gunnarthor replied to Ted Schwerzler's topic in Twins Daily Front Page News
I'm not sure that you're second assumption is right. Yes, I think you're (generally) right about a guy like Darvish helping if he's not hurt and a Chatwood might not help even if healthy but you are way underrating the longterm harm the Twins would face if a Darvish contract blows up on them the way Hughes' contract did. What if Darvish gets his 7/175m contract and busts after year two? The Twins owe him 125m more yet get nothing out of that? Every year they hope that they can get some good starts out of him only to send him out for a Phil Huges-like run and then return him to the DL? He'll take away starts from young guys and he'll be worth negative WAR but because we still owe him that money, he'll get his chances. That would be a much bigger problem than if Chatwood's 4y/48m deal doesn't work. -
Article: The Brian Dozier Trade That Almost Was
gunnarthor replied to Nick Nelson's topic in Twins Daily Front Page News
It's a "win" because the Twins didn't sell Dozier for 60 cents on the dollar. They could still trade Dozier (or a different MI) this year and get a better offer. If they had moved Dozier, they (likely) couldn't have. I'd also point out that the Yankees ace couldn't make it out of the first inning. Pitching is rough all around. Kyle Gibson would have been arguably the Angels best pitcher last year. So while the back of the rotation isn't set and the front doesn't have a true ace, we do have pieces in place and the ability to get something in free agency as well (or through a trade). -
Article: Supplementing the Twins: Tyler Chatwood
gunnarthor replied to Ted Schwerzler's topic in Twins Daily Front Page News
But we have a good pitch framer now ... -
Article: Supplementing the Twins: Tyler Chatwood
gunnarthor replied to Ted Schwerzler's topic in Twins Daily Front Page News
I like the idea of Chatwood a lot more than Lynn. He's younger and won't cost as much. Huge advantages. He's not exactly Phil Hughes but the narrative about getting out of a certain park is the same. I think he could be a solid #4 type (a good thing). He'd still probably get 12m/year though. -
Article: Diving Into The Offseason: A Sano Extension?
gunnarthor replied to Seth Stohs's topic in Twins Daily Front Page News
This seems pretty light for Sano. I don't see what he gains from giving up prime earning years at such a discount.- 49 replies
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Article: Sizing Up The 2017-18 Offseason
gunnarthor replied to Nick Nelson's topic in Twins Daily Front Page News
Payroll is the big question. I think we'll have a payroll around 110m which gives us about 20m to play with in free agency. But someone posted Forbes estimates of revenue for the Twins and if that was correct and if Twins still use 52% of revenue for payroll (as opposed to all monies spent on salaries such as draft and international bonuses) then our payroll could be closer to 140m. -
Article: Sizing Up The 2017-18 Offseason
gunnarthor replied to Nick Nelson's topic in Twins Daily Front Page News
It's a drop in the bucket compared to the owners. -
No. He just came off a 5 WAR season as his agent knows. The reason the Twins want to extend him is because they know (and his agent knows they know) that Buxton is an elite player. Buxton is going to get paid a lot the next few years through arbitration. The numbers you suggest are probably low but even if they were 100% correct, he'll get that money regardless of whether he signs an extension now. The only way he doesn't get that money is if he suffers a career ending injury. If not, he's set. He's already made 6m in a signing bonus and over a million in salary. Plus he has endorsement contracts. Hopefully he's got a smart business guy watching his funds. There should be no reason for him to give up three years of free agency for 54m, as you suggest. Machado and Harper are going to break baseball's salary structure next offseason and Buxton is going to be one of the biggest beneficiaries of that.
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I think Buxton would get a lot more than 100m. He's much closer to Trout's contract than Upton's, which is 7 years old already and he signed it coming off a down year. Buxton was a 5 WAR player this year and everyone thinks this will be his worst year for some time. He's going to be a FA at 28. He has no incentive to give away his age 28-30 years for essentially a promise of 24m through his arbitration years - which are also set too low by probably 10m. When he gets to FA, he's going to be one of the 10 highest paid players in baseball. And it probably won't be by the Pohlads.