DocBauer

Hats off to the Cubs for being aggressive and inventive in their deal. They're overpaying for 2yrs for a team that doesn't look like they are ready to contend right now. I wish the Twins had been as aggressive and creative, because I think Stoman may have made a mistake in regard to a team that could/not contend.

I think this is just about spot on when trying to forward project with the best possible accuracy. I'm 50/50 on Sano being on the club. I think there's a good chance, as dex8425 stated, that Sabato and Wallner are on the club by then. Good chance Sabato is the primary DH with others rolling through the spot on occasion. Taking things a bit further, I'd also see Celestino as the primary 4th OF. I just have a good feeling about him and think he just fits so many roles as a PR/4th OF with range and acceptable arm, who should decent power/pop and SB ability. The reserve infield options are just so hard to predict! As much as I love Arraez and think he can be a key part of the top of the lineup the next few years, and while also believing Gordon just may carve out a nice niche as a speedy, athletic, multi-depth piece, I can absolutely see both Steer and Julian pushing for spots to replace them by then. The thing I'm really excited about when you look at this player roster is the tremendous flexibility you have not only in regard lineup construction, but the versatility for so many guys to fit in to so many different positions comfortably due to days off or injury. I am really, really hoping the Twins can keep this new, potential nucleus in place while still adding to the pitching side the next year or two, without compromising what we are seeing here. FA is an option that only costs $, not prospects. And for the 100th time, sorry, can they add via trade without said compromise by pulling off another Odorizzi or Maeda type of trade?

I've been in favor of Pineda since day one and I'd be surprised if they haven't already been talking. And your post is part of my blueprint. Pineda is probably not going to be a stalwart but he's experienced, crafty and probably good for around 150 IP. I've said $8M for 1yr, but would consider a 1+1. And I've been pushing for Storman since day one. They've been tied to him for a couple years now and just makes so much sense. As good as he is, and has been, he's probably just a small notch below Gausman and Ray. If they are $23M per SP, Stroman is about $20M. Especially when you look at what he's earned previously. I've been of the opinion they should give him $22M per for 4 or 5yrs and JUST GET IT DONE. He may not be an ACE....NOT going to get in to this debate again...but he's a #1 for this team. He's a different but very similar pitcher to Berrios. He's a bulldog, consistent, eats innings, has been largely healthy and consistent his whole career. As I mentioned earlier, why not front load the contract for the first couple of years and even offer an opt out after 2 or 3yrs? You have to be aggressive, smart and flexible if your the Twins FO to make things happen! Now that Buxton is in the fold it's time to make a SERIOUS and DELIBERATE move! Stoman SHOULD be that move. Just DO IT before the shut down happens. If Pineda is going to happen, you could wait, but could also just do it now and also get it done. Suddenly you have TWO spots filled, and could look at FA and trades after things get settled after a new CBA to figure out the #2 spot and a bullpen arm, or two. Am I wrong that this makes too much sense to not make it happen?

I think the 2 foot jumping and playing deeper are smart and have already paid dividends in regard to his health and well being. The only "problem" with him playing deeper is the potential for banging his noggin diving for a great catch. You can never fully take the competitive instinct out of him. But he can learn and adjust to a certain degree where he slides under better control, or just let's up once in a while and let a singlr be a single. His value on the field and at the plate is more important than making every highlight catch he can. He's built his body up through weight training and the such. But I wonder if something like yoga or pilates could help his finely tuned body be a bit more flexible to avoid certain pulls and strains. Just a couple thoughts.

I've always been in favor of taking a look-see at a quality pen arm, or starting arm for that matter, that hasn't achieved great success yet, or, has fallen on hard times. The cost is usually small and once in a while you strike gold. Honestly a little surprised the Cubs let him walk. He's obviously got good velocity and averaged about 11.5K throughout his milb career. He touched 3 levels in 2019 and didn't pitch in 2020. I agree he might be better off throwing just ONE breaking ball and more often, though I've always found fault with just eliminating a 3rd pitch entirely, unless it was just BAD, so that a RP could at least keep the hitter guessing once in a while. Hard to say if Megill will amount to anything or not, nor can we even predict if he will even remain on the 40 man, but he's probably a good flier look-see. As far as Cave, I remain split as to whether or not I would have protected initially at all. (Probably wouldn't have). But I think we just need to step back and realize the reason he's still around has nothing to do with the past 2 seasons. While his 2020 was just terrible, his 2021 was basically wiped out due to his back injury. The Twins aren't keeping him around just because he's a "gamer" or nice guy. He's still around because he's under 30yo, and had a combined .795 OPS in 2018-19 with power and solid production and offers solid/decent defense at all 3 spots. And we can argue about being clever/smart with their handling of him, but that's rather pointless really. They just want to keep him in their back pocket because he has some talent/skills and if he returns to his previous form, he could be a cheap and solid depth option. I'm OK with that.

This really bothers me. I am not down on the FO or bashing them...i am on record as being largely supportive for many reasons...but this is a deal the Twins could have not only EASILY matched, but they could have been creative and front loaded the deal at just a little more at $25M per vs $23 and offered an out after 2 or 3yrs when our prospects should all be reaching MLB and maybe even have a season or two under their belt. And by then, obviously, Donaldson and Maeda will be probably done and gone. And if Ray doesn't opt out, he's been front loaded so the last couple of years are a smaller obligation. And if he isn't hurt or just "loses it", he might even have some trade value at a lower AAV to a team needing a veteran SP. Am I crazy on this? In my "blueprint" I chose Stroman because he's been more tied to the Twins In the past and might come in a little cheaper than Ray or Gausman. At this point, while disappointed they didn't just be inventive and do as I've stated, Stoman should come in a couple $M less for around $20-22M depending on final terms. He fits. Something similar should be done. I also had John Gray for $14M for 3-4yrs. Guess what he signed for? Any way you slice it, the payroll CAN absorb a lead SP in the $20-22M range. It can also easily afford to re-sign Pineda for around $8-9M, or someone similar if you like someone better. It could be a 1yr or a 1+1 which is fine. You STILL have/had the ability to sign someone like Gray or Rodriguez for $14M. But those guys are gone. Stoman and Pineda are still in play. And there are still a few solid looking FA options available that cost a 2 or 3 yr deal to potentially fit in at the front of the rotation without breaking the bank like Kikuchi. And signings like this are not only affordable, but it keeps your milb system intact for development, promotion, and potential trade opportunities. OR, they could still sign Stomanm, re-sign Pineda, and look for a trade instead of an additional FA signing to add to the staff without blowing up the ML roster or the system. Can they do that? For the upteenth time, can they pull a rabbit out of the hat and find a quality SP who fits in the top 2 without giving up much? There is little time to make a major move for the rotation at this point but I'm sure hoping they do. In an ideal world, Stoman and Pineda would be signed in the next couple of days. THEN, the FO would grab someone else, or make a smart trade, after the CBA is done, and then pick up a solid RH RP option and maybe even a flier and call it good. Bullpen options are still out there and probably will be a month or so from now. My issue remains the same; despite the wonderful signing of Buxton, the $ is there to add a frontline SP to lead this team and still add a couple solid options without blowing up payroll or sactificing the roster or the system for the future.

The Twins would prefer to keep Kepler in right. Of course, they would also prefer Buxton to never or seldom be injured. But a primary reason Kepler didn't play CF last year was battling leg injuries for an extended time. Hamstring IIRC. I have little doubt he'll play some CF this year if 100% again, especially for short stints. Celestino needs more time but I think he's getting close. He would be more if a long term fill in, IMO, until he's ready to contribute as the 4th OF on a permanent basis. I believe Gordon will also play some CF. Hoping Martin can not be rushed and just focus on his developement for most of the year.

Kikuchi is a guy that I'm intrigued by. He had a poor debut season in 2019 but much better numbers in the short 2020 year, with the exception of a still high ERA. By reports he's got good velocity and a good slider. LH and only 30yo with a solid 2021 in the books, I'm wondering about some upside even.

Very Happy! But I am also surprised. Not only does his 2022 stay level vs an immediate jump, his his guaranteed yearly is $1-2M less than I would have expected. Further, I saw things such as MVP or GG or All Star selections being gravy and games played or PA being tied to the meat of his incentives. This is actually very team friendly, without being unfair, and Buck will be worth every dollar of a potential $25M-ish if he's healthy enough and good enough to earn all bonuses any given season. Guarantee you the team will be happy to write that check. Now that that's done....on to pitching!

Before I go any further, i want to make what I feel is an interesting observation that seemed to be glossed over that debater A listed initially, and that is the defensive rankings of the WS winners, as posted, since 2011. With a couple of exceptions, most all defensive rankings were 10th or lower and most in the teens and several in the 20's. But not only is the o,d adage "pitching wins games" but it also was assumed that defense won games, and, of course assisted in better pitching. Is this a greater reflection of the change in the game over the past decade in regard to the 3 outcome? Look, I still think quality defense is important to prevent the other team from scoring and to help your pitching staff PREVENT the other team from scoring. That's still the nature of the game, isn't it? Keep the other team from scoring more runs that you do. But until, or unless, changes in the game swing back another direction....dead balls, changes in shifts, etc....i think defense is important but less so than before. My philosophy hasn't changed in recent years despite changes in the game. I still believe you put together the most BALANCED team together. I want a good defensive team overall to prevent unearned runs. But I would rather have a top 5-6 staff and offense vs a #1-2 staff or offense with the other being in the #10-12 category. I'd take that top 5-6 balanced team every single year for a chance to make the post season and have a shot and not "ride" on a single aspect of my team. Just reflecting back to the initial "A" post, you will witness yet again that there a LOT of ways to actually win the WS. Ironically, the Braves won this past WS the way the Twins won in 1987. Stay in contention, trust what you have, make a move or two, get hot, and ride it out. To this day, there is NO PERFECT FORUMLA to guarantee anything. Man I wish there was and I knew the answer so I could make a few $M a year and retire after my favorite team won a WS or two, LOL. But the way the game is played today, I am building the best lineup I can put together with a couple #2 SP, HOPING for a #1 to emerge, and a pair of NICE #3's and let my #5 be a prospect getting his feet wet and trying to push someone, while building a pen that can shut down the opposition. So yeah, having a true #1 sounds great. And I'd love to have it. But what if he loses? Give me a quality pen and a couple 2 or 3 #2 SP and some depth and give me the powerful and productive lineup and I'll go with that.

To me, there have always been two distinct criteria when I examine if someone is a HOF player. 1] Pure production, and that can be defensively as well as offensive numbers. 2] When said player played, was he amongst the best in MLB at his spot for a number of years. That allows for variances in the game over the decades. As to #2 first, I don't feel I'm a fan or a homer when I state that he was one of the very best CF in MLB for a good 6-7yrs, and a solid RF for a few more. As to point #1, his accolades and production numbers in the OP are worth re-reading again, and I'd invite you to re-read them again yourselves, as I just did again before continuing on. Not going to re-hash them all, but the GG's, the assists, All Star selections, consecutive seasons of HR production etc. Hits and HR BETTER than 11 and 13 of 19 CF already enshrined? ALL of this screams HOF to me. BUT, I think he's a later, veterans type of selection due to 2 things: 1] His first couple of seasons were non-descript offensively and he had a few injuries that held him back. 2] His actual BA and career OPS, despite some very good numbers, probably hold him back. I think he's worthy, or at least in serious conversation. And I'd have him on my ballot. But I feel he just comes a little short, especially today when criteria like OPS have become such a profound measuring stick. I do hope he makes it at some point and if so, I don't think anyone can say he doesn't deserve it. **A quick aside: I'm late on the Nathan OP but just wanted to star that a decade ago Nathan has almost no chance based on perspective and past voting. But with changes not only within the game, but his numbers/production and perspective changes, he should absolutely be a HOF selection at some point. And it's not just about save numbers, it's about dominance, production and numbers for about a decade.

Definitely something to look forward to and contemplate. And there's enough depth at each spot that a couple guys just don't turn out, or are traded, there's another prospect to potentially step in. Would be nice if another LH could step up in the pen. A couple guys you didn't list that I think should be added are Steer and Julian as utility types. I'm excited by them as potential contributors. A lot of fun!

Thank you for the report, and every report previous. This was not an outstanding group the Twins sent to the AFL this year. I think that was, honestly, they just didn't want to tax some arms that were limited due to injures, AND, they just wanted a look-see at some guys with potential and question marks. I'm OK with that. Final review/opinion: Wallner will be at AA and a fixture and reminds me of Larnach. His eye might be not as good as Larnach at this point, but I think he's got a real future as long as his defense is OK and he doesn't turn in to a K machine. I'm encouraged by his AFL OB%. Featherstone and Funderburk are similar, so I include both here. The results weren't the same in the AFL, but they both continued to SO batters, and show areas of needed improvement. The difference is final results in a SSS. Both seem destined for AA Wichita. Both may end up in the pen, which is fine, but Funderburk seems to at least warranted a shot in the rotation for now. It's OK for ANY pitcher to transition to the pen and find a home there and excel. But it's OK to also keep someone in the rotation as long as possible to see what happens. SSS in the AFL, Funderbburk is in the rotation for 2022 and Featherstone moves to the pen. Both need to work on control. The good news is both are a couple LH arms who could have a quality future in the pen a couple years from now. That doesn't suck. Sisk, just being honest, was a throw-in. Nice to see him and Funderburk finish strong. If ONE of them continues to improve and become a quality pen piece, GREAT! Thought Bechtold might be a steal at 3B when drafted. He's done little since until the power suddenly developed in 2021. Now he's trying to use his arm to play catcher. IF his bat and defense can maintain and he can learn to be at least a decent catcher, he has a shot. But he's Hamilton with more potential power. He's got 2022 to prove he's worth keeping around. Helman is the AFL guy I was really interested in. He's an athlete with speed, versatility, and budding power. My hope was he would build on a solid 2021 to become a solid future option. And maybe his play was better than his numbers, but I was disappointed in what he did. Hopefully he takes a step forward in 2022 with Witchita and establishes himself as a late bloomer super utility player who has some future. Pleased with what Laweryson did. Repeat what I said before that he might be the 2022 version of Gibson-long and Gross. A guy who isn't a top pick who has something to work with and some projectability who is ready to take another step. Short story? Wallner has real potential. I think Laweryson has a real shot. Featherstone, Funderburk, Sisk, prove it at AA Wichita. Bechtold and Helman are about out of chances, IMO. They get ST and maybe half a season to prove they have a shot before being passed over.

I actually hated to lose him 2018 and thought he would have been a valuable multi-position option for us. I wasn't so concerned with losing him in 2019-20 due to Marwin and Adrianza on the club. If we got the 2018-19 version of Goodrum I'd be very pleased. But I'm going to echo just what everyone else has already stated, I didn't know his glove at SS was that good. Most of the games I've watched the past few years he's usually been stationed somewhere else. So yep, if his glove is that good, I'm in on him as one of a handful of options I'd be happy with. He offers an OK bat for the position with some decent speed and power as well.

Love your belief in Steer as I share it as well. I just don't know at this time if Steer is going to ever have a full time spot...unless he can surprise us at SS...due to being potentially locked by Polanco and Miranda. But that's OK! I think he is going to be GOOD and valuable and flexible and a tremendous utility type. He might appear in 2022 but I'm looking more at 2023. I am also very excited for Julian on a similar timetable. It may sound silly to some to be excited about utility players...barring injury or trade...but I fully embrace a roster that is deep and flexible. But I have a good feeling that BOTH of these guys have a chance to be integral parts of the Twins roster very soon as great "bench" pieces who play all over and contribute. For those few who might not be paying full attention, position player wise, the Twins are trying to build a roster the way the Dogers and Rays have done, and are looking at the best EVERYDAY options as well as versatility and depth. And I have a really good feeling about both these guys.

If your monthly numbers are correct, then my memory is shot, lol. I guess I should have been more clear that, as best I can recall, the power was there but the hitting was inconsistent. I may be right, or may be mis-remembering. And I guess that was where I was coming from. I hope I'm right that the bat isn't proven yet to other teams enough to select and stash him.

Agreed it's hard to pat the owners on the back for doing something they should have done a long time ago. But I will at least give credit for finally getting this done. The ability to make meals shouldn't be dismissed. There certainly are hotels who gave kitchenettes, so I do think those are viable options. Agree with Steve71 that a smart and progressive owner should be doing all they can to go the extra mile for their investment in the lifeblood of their franchise.

They kept the 6 they needed to keep and I'm glad they didn't play games with Enlow' s status. Someone would have grabbed him and stashed him. I would have liked to keep Schulfer, Contreras and Gore. Schulfer has the velocity to be interesting but his numbers don't exactly jump out at this point. He might be selected, and from there, who knows. But it's pretty hard to add 7-8-9 guys to the 40 man at this point for almost anyone. I hope be doesn't get selected, or is returned. Contreras and Gore are interesting, but not especially young. And Gore is still new to the mound. I hope both stay with the Twins, but again, you only have so many spots available. Love the improvement by Palacios and I have some hope for him. But despite solid overall numbers, his bat was inconsistent. Not sure anyone takes a gamble on him right now. I just don't think Severino is ready for a big move yet. Doesn't mean someone not expected to contend couldn't stash either one of these guys, but they also have their own players and own rosters to protect and run through. As far as Cave goes, I'll repeat I was 50-50 if the Twins would keep him. He's an experienced and inexpensive 4th OF with 2 quality seasons before a bad 2020. (Not the only one who did). He hurt his back very early in 2021 and basically had a lost year. He has an option and be can also be cut with no $ repercussion. He's kept for depth. If someone gets claimed, sticks, and does well elsewhere it would be easy to claim the Twins blew it. But even at that, if Cave had been cut, which other prospect do you keep in his place? How could we be certain that THAT ONE was the RIGHT ONE to protect? All I'm saying is, you protect the best 40 you can with the knowledge, belief, and information you have. Some of it is guesswork, unfortunately. I don't know that I would have protected him. But based on his first 2 seasons and healthy again, yeah, I can see why they kept him for depth.

The OP is 100% correct by Cody. The DH spot doesn't have to be ONE GUY. It never has to have been unless you have a special player to fill that spot. Despite the offense needing some greater consistency, the power and the hitting seems to be there. Despite some poor seasons and injuries that mucked things up, and the loss of Cruz the last couple of months, the overall run production was good. I know potential trades could change the complexion of things, but reflect on what is on hand for the time being. Arraez needs to play daily as a 2B/3B/LF/DH option to set the table. Donaldson still needs a few half days off. Sano needs to play at 1B and DH. AK will play 1B and OF. Garver needs to be in the lineup as much as possible. That means some DH time, MAYBE some 1B time as well. Larnach is free to grab the LF job, spending some time in RF as well, if and when he grabs a permanent job. And then there is Miranda, the hottest prospect we've had in years. He needs to play! And while I wouldn't stick him at DH, he allows others to take a day there. DH is not an issue. Too many good bats/players to fill the daily 1-9 is a GOOD problem to have.

I feel sorry for Hamilton. The kid has been through so much. Not just his horrific injury, but just last season he was claimed and waived 2 or 3 times before being a Twin for 2021. For his sake, and I just don't see how we can spend the 40 man spot to protect him, I hope he goes unclaimed just so he can continue with ONE TEAM to keep progressing and get a shot.

Yes, but he has to be protected initially on the 40 man roster before being placed on the 60 day IL to create another roster opening, right? And if I'm right, when can he be transferred to the 60 day to allow for an open spot?

To me the first 6 are givens: Lewis, Miranda, Winder, Sands, Enlow and Vallimont. I don't WANT to protect Enlow as he's going to be out until June/July and hopefully get some quality IP at the end of the year. But someone WILL pick him, stash him, rehab him, and get him ready for 2023. I don't recall Valimont's control ever being as bad previously. He's probably destined for the pen, IMO, as a high velocity, K arm that we just can't afford to be selected and stashed on a bad team's roster for a year. I really want to keep Gore and I think he pitches for the Twins at some point in 2022. But can we afford the roster spot to protect him? Schulfer has been solid, but not great, thus far in his Twins career. But I also didn't realize he had that much velocity. I'd really hate to take the chance someone is going to stash him in their pen like what happened to Wells last year. Lastly, I'm really glad they re-signed Palacios. But I don't see room to keep him. Despite a good 2021 and the ability to suddenly hit, and hit with power, at an upper level, it was his 3rd go around at AA. Further, if you break down his months, his BA and other peripherals were inconsistent month to month. That works in the Twins favor. I just don't see him being selected, or at least not kept, by another team. There's no room to keep anyone else. And it's going to be hard to keep everyone I've already listed. But a dark horse, or at least someone I'm really, really hoping doesn't get picked? That would be Contreras. I don't think he will be picked, much less kept. But I think he has a chance to play in 2022 in some capacity. I don't think the hit tool is ready yet, but the defense is there and he's got some developing power.

I appreciate your opinion as well as your frustration. But I'm going to have to disagree with your sentiment. While 2021 was a classic and utter failure, the plan in place was not a bad one. I mean, Colome is gone and should be gone. But he was quite good/effective from about early May on. (Too little too late I know). Happ just shouldn't have been that bad based on history, his 2020, and his first few starts last year. I don't know how anyone could have predicted Simmons bat to just suddenly turn to wet tissue paper when he had an OPS of like .750 or higher 4 if the previous 5 seasons. The Maeda and Odorizzi trades were excellent. The Cruz signing was outstanding. A healthy Donaldson earned his deal in 2021, and hopefully will in 2022 as well. In previous seasons, the FO found a number of bargains for the pen that met or exceeded any projections. Whether you actually agree with some of the players they have traded away, the returns on those trades look to have been solid with many of the returnees having reached MLB or are very close. System wise, they have completely revamped their entire approach and with good reports and what appear to be good results. While 2020 remains an outlier at this point due to it's unusual subtext, the drafts this FO has been responsible for appear to be at least solid if not good. We've already seen several coaches poached by other organizations from the Twins after being hired by, you guessed it, this current FO. Please understand, I'm speaking from MY perspective on how I see this FO to this point. I don't believe we can judge it by a season in which virtually EVERYTHING that could go wrong did go wrong. Nor can we, IMO, use any singular move or non-move judged as a "mistake" and use that to categorically dismiss the FO as incompetent. Now, a large number of mistakes can and will certainly add up. But absolutely no FO anywhere always makes the right moves or non-moves. You always hope they do the right thing much more often than they do the wrong thing. I'm disappointed and a little po'd by this announcement...with the previous caveat that we don't know everything and doubtfully ever will...because if there was ever a time to stretch your self imposed restrictions for length of a deal, this would have been the guy to do it for. The FO has an opportunity to make a lot of moves this offseason and here's hoping they have a good plan and enact it well. If they do, the window of opportunity may remain open and a lot of good faith lost will return. But despite some questions and frustrations, when I examine the entire content of what the leadership has done to this point, I'm still on board at this point.

I have little doubt there's more to this than the tired old mantra of "the Twins are cheap", but I'm sure we'll never know all the details/facts. It may be Berrios, after being traded, simply decided the $ was fair and he wanted the security for his family. Something may have changed within his family. So I'm not going to needlessly speculate or blame the Twins for anything at this point. To continue, the Twins are paying Donaldson more than $20M per. They lost out on but offered both Darvish and Wheeler more than $20M. So I don't think it's the money that is/was the overriding factor here. I think there's at least a good chance it was the length of the deal. And I can be disappointed without being angry. 6+ years is a very, very long time to guarantee a pitcher $20M+ per season. So I get it. That being said, Berrios is the best arm produced by the Twins in years. He's actually really good and has upside remaining. He's a tireless worker who is a bulldog competitor. And at only 27yo, he's the kind of arm young enough to deserve an extension that long. I don't think the Twins look very good here.

I'm interested in all 3 of the A's pitchers if the price is right. And I'm OK making a move for someone on a 1yr deal. But a "right price" is not a top 10 prospect unless the guy I'm getting back pushes me to the top. And that's not happening here. And I seriously doubt Oakland wants a 1 for 1 deal. They are going to want a 2 or 3 for 1 deal to deepen their system and provide more opportunities to strike it rich. Staying away from exact names as I don't know the A's system all that well, but I'd be OK with 2 or 3 from about the 12-15 spots in the Twins system on down. There's a lot of good ballplayers there. I could see the rehabbing Enlow as someone Beane might have as a primary target.