Richie the Rally Goat

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Because when the CBA expires the players will prolong the negotiation as long as they can. There won’t be much time to acquire more pitchers just days before (or after) opening day. If they had a deal, they needed to get the paperwork done today.

forget running the bases... can we run the warning track? Puhleeeze!

You're injury prone, until you aren't. While there are no guarantees he'll get more healthy, there are no guarantees he won't either. History might be the best predictor of the future, but it is far from accurate.

Great first post! Welcome toTD!

Great first post! Welcome to TD

Cave was waived, passed through waivers, and outrighted to St Paul. He’s now a break glass type of player

We all missed the obvious answer: FALSE! Buxton will play 162 games in CF and reach all his at bat and MVP bonuses be the MVP and single handedly carry the team to win the World Series

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Agreed with the OP, Kepler is probably not a preferred option at CF. I think Gordon is option 1, Cave is option 2 for Buxton backup. I wouldn’t be shocked if he got a minor league deal with ST invite, but if Danny Santana makes the opening day roster… oofda, something went wrong

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Very good points! If nothing changes, nothing changes…

Rogers’ finger injury has me a bit nervous. 6.7 to 7 mil on a relief pitcher that you aren’t sure of what you are getting… I would try to sign him to a 2 year deal though…

Indeed Apple is killing it. In the other thread I was debating if Apple+ was going to get the axe. I’m glad I haven’t yet. really liking Invasion. Looking forward to Finch and Shrink Next Door

I absolutely support this idea, Manea would improve this rotation immensely. Giving up that package of players would require the FO to extend Manea, but a bird in the hand is worth 2 in the bush. Just like free agency, trades like this are not available every offseason. Next year the As won't be trying to offload so much quality pitching. Twins need to capitalize while they can. Acquiring 2 good starting pitchers gives this team a chance in 2022 and they can afford to give up some future assets to improve the present. I'd personally prefer Montas, but flexibility is required in making an agreement.

I like this idea, Luis Arraez as a Paul Molitor-esque DH... Let the man hit and acquire a better fielding utility player Molitor Arraez k/bb 0.88 0.67 wOBA 0.361 0.375 SLG 0.448 0.403

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Really good post! Well written/articulated I agree with you of the enormous opportunity in front of the FO and the risks involved for this offseason. I think about what it might look like trading Buxton or Garver (or both) for prospects that could be a package for Frankie Montas? The As don’t want Buxton or Garver, but do have pitching to spare and want to reduce payroll. A trade like that and a free agent like Ray on a 5+ year 100+ mil contract, 2022 would hurt less and ‘23 might be given a head start because more of the hitters in your scenario have big league experience than the pitchers. I would classify it as a rebuild (to Cody’s point) but a quicker rebuild than the Orioles saga.

JP has publicly stated he wants to extend Buxton, who knows what gets discussed behind closed doors? Pohlads know and understand PR as well as anyone in Minnesota

Awesome! well earned Griffin!

And Pot Luck. I hear Thad is bringing a crock pot of sloppy joes

It always takes two to tango. Asking if you would give Berrios the deal he got from the Blue Jays ignores what the bargaining positions were at the time between Berrios and the Twins. If the Twins and Berrios were ever close on a contract agreement with Berrios, would they have traded him? Probably not. What did Berrios want in the negotiation with the Twins? We don't know, but can guess. Salary commensurate with a top starting pitcher in MLB. Length of contract in excess of 6 years? To test the free agent Market What did the Twins want? again, don't know but can guess Salary perceived as a bargain relative to the mid tier of starting pitchers Length of contract less than 4 years One less rotation spot to fill In neither of those buckets were organizational stability, durability, longevity. I don't believe those were levers valued, after all, those were already held by the parties with Maeda still healthy at the trade deadline. What were the best alternatives for Berrios and the Twins? Berrios - hit free agency, he openly stated he wanted to test free agency, he did not get his best alternative Twins - trade Berrios for prospects - the Twins got their best alternative but did not get their primary wish of getting a bargain for a mid-tier pitcher in Berrios Post trade, Berrios negotiation desires may have changed. He no longer had the stability in his career. He had spent his entire 9 year working career with one company. Now the reality of his fungibility to his employer is real. With that in mind, what might his desires have changed to? Stability Length of Contract in excess of 6 years Salary Commensurate with high end starting pitcher Because they made a deal, the Blue Jays' bargaining desires must have been pretty close to Berrios', maybe something like: Durability Stability Salary Commensurate as a bargain for a high end starting pitcher Lets see with the negotiations upcoming for Free Agents and trades if the Twin's perceived negotiation values have changed

This still doesn’t inspire much confidence in Buxton getting luckier on the health front. I personally want the Twins to extend him, but this team and FO is very risk averse.

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