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    Ted Schwerzler

    The Minnesota Twins have played 16 games during the 2022 season, and while they’ve largely avoided the injury bug, the catching depth is being tested early. Jose Godoy drew his first start, and it seemed there was no one behind him.

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    Throughout the season thus far, manager Rocco Baldelli has used both Ryan Jeffers and Gary Sanchez in the same starting lineups often. With both catchers being deployed, there’s the reality of a lost designated hitter should they need to swap out mid-game. Baldelli has noted that the club was working through identifying an emergency option, and while that hasn’t yet been needed, the depth is being tested early.
     
    After being in the lineup for Friday night’s game against the Chicago White Sox, Sanchez walked with catching coach Hank Conger back to the dugout after initially heading to the bullpen for warmups. Jeffers was shifted into the starting lineup, and it was announced that Sanchez had a sore abdomen. He underwent further testing on Saturday, but an MRI revealed only a minor indication of injury. Avoiding the Injured List, for now, he remained on the active roster over the weekend.
     
    On Sunday, Minnesota had penciled Jeffers into the starting lineup with Sanchez out, but ultimately he was scratched with a left knee contusion. After placing Jorge Alcala on the 60-day Injured List, the open 40-man roster spot was given to Jose Godoy as a necessary move to have a catcher available.
     
    Although Jeffers was said to be potentially available off the bench, that seemed thwarted with multiple late-game situations where his bat or glove could’ve provided an upgrade. While it’s certainly understandable that Minnesota wants to be cautious given the length of the season and needing to keep guys healthy, Sunday’s action brought up questions regarding what happens at a position tied to significant injury risk.
     
    Before the season started, the Twins dealt both Mitch Garver and Ben Rortvedt in separate trades. While that signified Jeffers as the starter and led to an acquisition of Sanchez, it turned the position on its head.
     
    Minnesota claimed Godoy off waivers in a depth move, but he brings just 16 games of experience to the table after debuting with Seattle last season. The Twins have a trio of backstops at Triple-A, and each provides a different skill set. David Banuelos is a 25-year-old with just a .574 career MiLB OPS. Caleb Hamilton is a 27-year-old with a better bat owning a career .667 OPS. The most intriguing name may be the recently claimed Chance Sisco. He’s a former top prospect with an .807 OPS in the minors. He’s yet to put it together at the big-league level but may be next in line for Minnesota.
     
    There’s no denying that it would be a very negative development if both Sanchez and Jeffers were lost at any point during the season. Happening a few weeks in is even less ideal. As their injuries stand now, both seem to be highly short-term and are being managed to have them back quickly. However, playing catcher will invite nicks and bruises, and the Twins may have seen a quick glimpse of what they wish to avoid in keeping all of their backstops healthy.

    Over the weekend, Jeffers saw his bat start to heat up, and carrying that momentum forward would be an excellent development for a player the front office so clearly believes in. Sanchez has flashed extreme pop at times, and while his glove still leaves plenty to be desired, he’s settling into a new home with the Twins. The duo looks like part of a strong position group, and Baldelli needing to figure out how to operate without them is not something he will want to do often.
     
    I don’t know if Godoy or Sisco can hack it for the Twins over any significant stretch of time. I’d certainly prefer not to find out as well.

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    I agree that both for the short term and the long term, the Twins are counting heavily on Jeffers. He really swung the bat well and it would be really bad luck if he was out of the lineup for an extended period, but so far, it doesn't look like that is the case. I am certain that Jeffers will get plenty of time off going forward. When Garver had his breakout season in 2019, Rocco made sure to give him adequate time off. I don't think anyone sees Jeffers becoming such an offensive force, at least not this season, but I think he'll get a lot of days off during the long season.

    Sanchez has looked satisfactory behind the plate and has gotten a few big hits. I hope he can stay healthy as well and help the club.

    I was surprised that Godoy got promoted ahead of Cisco. It does occur to me that Godoy might be a better defensive catcher. I read somewhere on the site yesterday (probably the game thread) that Godoy was doing a fine job handling the pitchers and receiving. If so, that alone could be the rationale for his being promoted. Another thought was that Godoy might be able to be optioned. If that is the case, then the Twins wouldn't have to make a 40-man move to bring him up if they choose to send him down when the roster sizes are reduced. Finally, Godoy did catch several of the members of the pitching staff late in spring training, while Cisco has not.

    Cisco has three years of big-league service time and was once a Top 100 prospect. If one of the other catchers goes down for a significant amount of time, perhaps he then would be an option to step in for significant playing time. 

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    It's a concern, they need a reliable 3rd, maybe one of Godoy or AAA can provide, if not keep looking for transaction opportnities .

    While I wasnt a fan of moving both Garver and Rortvedt, Garver is negative WAR with atrocious lines right now, and Rortvedt has yet to play, apparently will be #3 now in NYY depth when he does come back.

    All of this settles favorably if Jeffers develops. He still needs time,  but I am hopeful he will develop decent power and on base, and potentially consistent, if not elite defense. 

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    With all the dings and bruises catchers have it is no wonder they can easily slump at the plate.  While I miss Garvers bat (even though he off to a slow start for Texas) he had his fair share of injuries in Minnesota as well.  I think you pretty much have to plan on needing three catchers to get through a season minimum.  I think most of the board was surprised the Twins went with just 2 to start the season but given their plan to limit starting pitcher innings they probably had no choice.  I don't see Godoy as much different than Rortvedt and Cisco might be even better with the bat than Ben as well hard to say at this point.  Would I rather have Garver as a replacement sure but I think the Twins have OK options for the moment.  Lot's of teams have black hole bats for catchers.  While not ideal it can be a postion where you can get away with less than ideal offensive production.

    I assume the reason they brought Godoy up instead of Cisco is that Godoy passed through waivers once already and they might not want to risk losing Cisco if they needed more room for another player.  Cisco looks like he has the better record with the bat.  I hope Jeffers stays healthy he is the best catcher we have on the team right now.

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    50 minutes ago, Rosterman said:

    Makes you kinda want Willians Astudillo around, doesn't it?

     

     

    100%

    I deeply love his style of play.

    I was selfishly sad when they released him, but the logic made sense. He was buried behind impressive depth,

    However, after they moved Garver and Rortvedt, I became honestly frustrated. That depth is gone and my favorite 2021 Twin would have been a useful piece. Hard for me to imagine the Jose Godoy era will make me forget La Tortuga.

    Don't listen to Ted! ?

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    1 hour ago, PopRiveter said:

    I deeply love his style of play.

    You may love the image he chose to project.  Personally, I got a bellyful of him walking to and from his position in LF at the game I watched in Pawtucket a couple years ago.  And then there was that brawl in a winter league game.

    Miami loves him so deeply that he is stashed in AAA, despite their major league catchers batting .171 and .000.  (OPS .491 and .154.)  So apparently the Marlins are blind to the value that Astudillo brings.

    But, true, you can't spell WINS without some of the letters of WILLIANS.  :)

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    4 hours ago, Rosterman said:

    Makes you kinda want Willians Astudillo around, doesn't it?

    Absolutely not. If his time on the Twins wasn't filled with enough mediocrity and errors and GDPs, Mr Sucker Punch iced it with this......

     

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    18 minutes ago, ashbury said:

    You may love the image he chose to project.  Personally, I got a bellyful of him walking to and from his position in LF at the game I watched in Pawtucket a couple years ago.  And then there was that brawl in a winter league game.

    Miami loves him so deeply that he is stashed in AAA, despite their major league catchers batting .171 and .000.  (OPS .491 and .154.)  So apparently the Marlins are blind to the value that Astudillo brings.

    But, true, you can't spell WINS without some of the letters of WILLIANS.  :)

    For what it is worth, he's hitting .364/.440/.545 for their AAA affiliate.

    I'm not blind to what he is, but every team needs to employ some AAAA/replacement type players throughout a season and I find those underdog roleplayers easy to root for when they have some personality and especially when they have a standout skill such as Astudillo's ridiculous contact ability. He has struck out 25 times in 533 plate attempts!!!!!

    Modern baseball may never see another hitter with such an extreme low strikeout rate. 

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    6 minutes ago, PopRiveter said:

    For what it is worth, he's hitting .364/.440/.545 for their AAA affiliate.

    ... in 3 games at third base and 2 games at second, out of Jacksonville's 18 total - he's 12th on the AAA squad in plate appearances.  In the context of this thread being about catching, that's especially telling as to the Marlins' opinion.

    Sorry to pile on.  But Astudillo has approximately zero to do with Rortvedt being here or gone.

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    8 minutes ago, h2oface said:

    Absoluitely not. If his time on the Twins wasn't filled with enough mediocrity and errors and GDPs, Mr Sucker Punch iced it with this......

     

    Luis Madero and Willians Astudillo are now teammates in Jacksonville. I'm sure they are over it. They are young men playing a game with heightened emotions. Punching a pitcher surely isn't okay, but beaning a hitter can be pretty awful in it's own right. 

    Remember when Torii Hunter punched Justin Morneau? Guys do dumb stuff. 

    I get to be an irrational fan and I can choose to forgive the players I like and forever hate those I don't.

    You have the same right.   

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    4 minutes ago, ashbury said:

    ... in 3 games at third base and 2 games at second, out of Jacksonville's 18 total - he's 12th on the AAA squad in plate appearances.  In the context of this thread being about catching, that's especially telling as to the Marlins' opinion.

    Sorry to pile on.  But Astudillo has approximately zero to do with Rortvedt being here or gone.

    Yeah, and Ben Rortvedt has played 0 innings this season since he's been injured all year so...

    Maybe the right move was to keep Garver like most of us thought they should have in the first place?

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    3 hours ago, Rosterman said:

    Makes you kinda want Willians Astudillo around, doesn't it?

    No, not one iota. What I wish was that they hadn't traded Rortvedt, too. I get trading Garver, but both? No. Astudillo is NOT a good catcher. We are better with Godoy or Sisco than Astudillo, even if he was such a fan favorite. Frankly,  I'd rather have Esco back for catching depth, that's how much Astudillo is not a good catcher, imo, and in fact, the Twins and his current team don't even really consider him a catcher at all.

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    Godoy had two really nice plate appearances yesterday with the two walks.  It makes me wonder how you walk the 9th batter to face Buxton.  A 9th batter who has 1 extra hit at the major league level and never hit in the minors.  Anyways, good on Godoy.  If he can handle the pitching staff, he is fine as a 3rd catcher on the 40 man.

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    53 minutes ago, AKTwins said:

    It makes me wonder how you walk the 9th batter to face Buxton.  A 9th batter who has 1 extra hit at the major league level and never hit in the minors

    Spot-on. I'm really glad Godoy worked that AB and it worked out. OTOH, there is no excuse for Hendricks. CWS play this weekend shows an undisciplined, unfocused squad. 7 straight ugly L's to me means the division is up for grabs. I hope the Twins can improve the quality of the depth at C. If Godoy proves he's capable, great, but if not, burn the phone lines looking for it. We cant rely on the ineptitude of the other guys to regularly set the plate for us.

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    18 minutes ago, RpR said:

    Astudillo

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    You completely missed the point. Like, completely. Astudillo is NOT a good catcher not even close, so much not even close that the Twins and his current team do t think he is either. Losing Astudillo has no bearing on this discussion, because he’s not a catcher. I’d rather have our current backup options than Astudillo.

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    12 minutes ago, Squirrel said:

    You completely missed the point. Like, completely. Astudillo is NOT a good catcher not even close, so much not even close that the Twins and his current team do t think he is either. Losing Astudillo has no bearing on this discussion, because he’s not a catcher. I’d rather have our current backup options than Astudillo.

    Neither is Jeffers.

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    First of all, injuries like this happen. Keeping Garver or not keeping him does nothing to dismiss Jeffers and Sanchez being out a few days with reportedly mild "tweaks". We would have promoted Rortvedt at this point, were he still here. And while it's pointless to get in to some debate about the future potential of Rortvedt, the Twins basically added Godoy as a temporary LH, defense first replacement pretty much the equivalent of him.

    My only concern is that Jeffers was heating up and I don't want him out for more than a day or two. Doesn't sound like he will be out any longer, and the day off Monday helps. Also doesn't sound like Sanchez's issue is big, just a muscle "twitch/pull/etc" that should have him ready soon. Of course, we've heard these things before. But I'm going to go with what the Twins are reporting.

    It's been pointed out, and rightfully so, that the reason to promote Godoy is greater familiarity with the staff over Cisco. Point taken. It's also been pointed out he could be sent down while remaining on the 40 man should the Twins choose to do so. Equally relevant, there is a chance he could still be removed from the 40 man and pass through waivers and return to St Paul. 

    Call it a hunch, but I don't think the FO wanted to play any waiver games with Cisco at this point. I know very little about him other than having previously been a top prospect. While having limited power, his career milb numbers are pretty darn good. I think they view him as a longer term fill in vs short term, with some potential still, and are willing to gamble on a potential loss of Godoy when they have to make roster decisions.

    By all reports, this should clear itself up the next couple of days.

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    4 hours ago, h2oface said:

    Absolutely not. If his time on the Twins wasn't filled with enough mediocrity and errors and GDPs, Mr Sucker Punch iced it with this......

     

    I think the reality is that the twins overthought things in moving two of their three catchers. 

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    4 hours ago, DocBauer said:

    First of all, injuries like this happen. Keeping Garver or not keeping him does nothing to dismiss Jeffers and Sanchez being out a few days with reportedly mild "tweaks". We would have promoted Rortvedt at this point, were he still here. And while it's pointless to get in to some debate about the future potential of Rortvedt, the Twins basically added Godoy as a temporary LH, defense first replacement pretty much the equivalent of him.

    My only concern is that Jeffers was heating up and I don't want him out for more than a day or two. Doesn't sound like he will be out any longer, and the day off Monday helps. Also doesn't sound like Sanchez's issue is big, just a muscle "twitch/pull/etc" that should have him ready soon. Of course, we've heard these things before. But I'm going to go with what the Twins are reporting.

    It's been pointed out, and rightfully so, that the reason to promote Godoy is greater familiarity with the staff over Cisco. Point taken. It's also been pointed out he could be sent down while remaining on the 40 man should the Twins choose to do so. Equally relevant, there is a chance he could still be removed from the 40 man and pass through waivers and return to St Paul. 

    Call it a hunch, but I don't think the FO wanted to play any waiver games with Cisco at this point. I know very little about him other than having previously been a top prospect. While having limited power, his career milb numbers are pretty darn good. I think they view him as a longer term fill in vs short term, with some potential still, and are willing to gamble on a potential loss of Godoy when they have to make roster decisions.

    By all reports, this should clear itself up the next couple of days.

    Another characteristically thoughtful post, Doc! I appreciate your considered opinions and observations. 

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    Godoy is our #3 catcher at the moment and after one game in the lineup he is still our #3 catcher. He had a nice game so at this time and contributed to a victory so there is no need to drop him to #4 on the depth chart at this moment.  

    I can't recall a single year that a single team was able to go the entire year with just two catchers doing every single squat behind the plate. 

     

     

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    On 4/26/2022 at 2:34 AM, ScottyB said:

    Wilson Ramos is still out there as a free agent. He’s not the hitter he used to be and he’s right handed, but he’s still good defensively. That’s who I’d go after.

    Chris Herrmann is out there, too. So was Tomas Telis.

     

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