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Does that mean its the 8 yr old who shows up at your door and says hi dad?

Yankees get Montas and Trevino with 4 player package. Per MlB Pipeline, their #5, 10, 20, and 21 prospects, 3 pitchers and a 2B, all early to mid 20's. Two drafted by NY, one obtained via trade, one international free agent signing. Direct comp to Twins would be a package of: 5: Canterino 10: Medina 20: Soulaire 21: Raya 3 pitchers, 1 middle IF/2B. Should Twins have offered this for Montas/Trevino? Did they, and did Oak pass?

Memories of Sano: The slam in Clev. Big smiles. The dude with the broken leg and gunshots in DR. Damning response to sexual harrassment allegations. Sliced foot on the stage in DR. Is he back this year? Probably not. Definitely not next, unless on minor league deal. Wherever he lands, good luck. He had a few moments here, but just a few.

I can appreciate the angst from their perspective, but Hader hasnt exactly been lights out the past month, and Rogers can perform well, when rested between games.....apparently their other guy is a high projection bp guy. Lamet could theoretically contribute low leverage innings from BP. And they take a chance one of the 2 minors contribute in a future year. Its the sort of trade the Milw's of baseball world need to make, I think they did fine with it.

Hope so, but anecdotally, I have had turf toe, not exactly same injury, but similar....toes are hard to gauge sometime....mine is becoming chronic flare up issue 9 months on. I do have 25 yrs on Kep though....doc said injuries like this take longer to heal as we get older....I said "Excuse me, who you talking to?"

And this....missed opportunity for Twins on a guy noone was talking about? https://www.mlb.com/news/scott-effross-yankees-trade

Very creative move by Brewers. Rogers will mainly setup, Mil has younger guy who will close. Lamet's a flyer but why not, Mil seems to have success with their coaching up pitchers. Ballsy but doing what they need to do to compete this year and next. Model for Twins? Now reporting Twins are out on Montas, sounds like NYY likely spot fir him

It does seem that was a missed opportunity. But in Falvines defense, there was much doubt abt Rodon's ability to pitch 150 effective innings...doubters including me were wrong. Amidst the gloom, the blazing bright supernova right now is watching Miranda emerge. As he gains rep's, he could be All-Star caliber. Hoping the apparent injury curse someone has hexed upon our best and brightest prospect list will miss JM. Guys like him will make Aug/Sep tolerable, and hopeful, even if the W-L ratio tanks.

Very cool, brings clarity to his role on this team. So lets not trade him please.

And this amidst a nothingburger snoozefest trade deadline week. Bleh is right.

I believe this to be mostly true. The variable is whether or not comparatively similar pitching quality is gettable for the Twins. I could see a scenario where Rodon makes the most sense in terms of prospects traded and projected impact on wins. I just think a Rodon-like quy is unlikely for Twins.

This offseason, the Twins and Astros made radically different decisions about roster development and payroll distribution. Perhaps none was more consequential, at least for Twins, than Houston releasing into UFA status All-Star Carlos Correa in favor of starting 24 year rookie Jeremy Pena at SS for 700K rookie scale pay, and the Twins choosing to commit at least 35M and possibly 70M or 105M for 1-3 years of Correa, while choosing to keep Royce Lewis in AAA to start the regular season. See the Pena/ Correa comp chart attached below. The Astros committed 32% of their payroll to the pitching staff, on a total adjusted payroll of 173M (includes injuries and deferred monies). The Twins settled on 23% commitment to the pitching staff, on an adjusted payroll of 139M (including injuries and deferred monies). The comparative results as the dog days of August approach suggest Houston is seeing positive comparative production from their SS position at a fraction of the cost the Twins have committed, savings which are being rolled into protecting the superior quality of the pitching staff. The roster and payroll management philosophies of these two organizations could not seem to be farther apart. Houston's record sits at 66-35 (+31), Twins at 52-47 (+5), leaving the Twins -14.5 games compared to Houston. Am I being unfair comparing payrolls with a 20% variance? Am I wrong to say the Twins ownership and FO need to adjust their roster construction and payroll distribution philosophies going forward? Jeremy Pena/Carlos Correa 2022 Batting Stats Chart Key: Line 1: Games–AB-R-H-2B-3B-HR-RBI’s-SB-CS-BB-K-HBP Line 2: Sac Bunts–SF- IBB-GIDP-TB-PA-XBH-1B-OPS- Secondary Avg Line 3: Iso Power-Bapip-Walk Per-K Per- K to BB-AB per HR J Pena 2022 Houston Astros AL MLB hou -- -- ss 79 297 43 77 11 1 15 38 6 1 17 79 5 4 0 0 3 135 323 27 50 .259 .310 .455 .765 .269 .195 .305 5.26 24.46 4.65 19.80 WAR 2022: 3.3 Age: 24 Contract: $700K, team control through 2028 _________________________________________________________________________________ C Correa 2022 Minnesota Twins AL MLB min -- -- ss 75 291 41 79 14 0 12 34 0 0 31 68 1 2 0 0 12 129 325 26 53 .271 .344 .443 .787 .278 .172 .318 9.54 20.92 2.19 24.25 WAR 2022; 2.4 Age: 27 Contract: 1 yr/35M, player options 2023/24 up to 3 yrs/105M Source: The Baseball Cube Pena Correa Comp.docx

Ace Wrigley, great to hear from you. I enjoy your posts but have missed seeing them. Your q's today are spot-on. Somebody here needs to do a hard interview with Falvinepohlad and get to the bottom of this drama. I vote for Ace to press the metal to the petal and force some answers. Some possible responses, fwiw: Q1: "Well, he wouldnt have crashed into the wall, because he WOULDN'T HAVE BEEN PLAYING CF. Here at Twinsland, we realize now our multimillion dollar investment in our #1 guy hasnt been managed well, and we are committted to developing his talent at 1 position only, because it really is just plain silly of us to expend a #1 pick on a guy we want to use in a utility role. " Q2: " Thank you, that's a great question. We have no comment at this time, because none of us here can really explain the Correa signing while also doing the Berrios-Rogers trades. Seemed like a great idea at the time, and besides, Scott Boras scares the living hell out of us. We do what he tells us." Q3: "You know, pitching coaches are all the same, they chew the same chaw, their belly fat flabs over the beltline, hat sizes are a size small, they belch and fart a lot, and at the end of the day, ones about as good as another."

The 12-pack of Grain Belt was a bridge too far for me.

Attention should rightfully be on the health of these athletes. I do wonder when there is a return to an emphasis on leg strength gained from running Interesting fact: Nolan Ryan's post-game routine after pitching: 60 minutes of intense stationary bike workout. Every time-every game. Said it was to keep his legs strong for 9 inning games.

Yep......to me the most surprising thing about that whole situation was that he was making $350K.....I'm not up on coaching staff salaries, but I was stunned the pitching coach was making such a comparatively small amount. I honestly thought the top pitching and hitting coaches would be in the upper six figures, even lower mil's.....I've never paid attention to that stuff, but man I was really surprised. I dont blame Wes Johnson for seeing a chance to double his income in one job change. These things keep circling back to a problem, and I know how much some here do not want to harp on the Twins not paying up, but the org overall does not want to pay to keep higher level talent,not only players, but also apparently coaching and development. This continues to be an ownership issue imho. If the org is all about developing talent internally, then it would seem the investing in cost of player development is done without question, and with the highest quality in mind at all levels of the system. In my mind that means finding, and hiring high level scouting and coaching personnel at all levels, supporting their work and rewarding their results with ultra-competetive pay and benefits. It's not 100M contracts here, even the small market teams should be able to make these types of investments. This is investing more than just another operational expense. Does anyone know how the Twins compare to other org's in committing investments to developmental costs up and down the system? Would love to know if there is info out there abt how MLB org's spend and support the process, but I cannot find info. Either that, or buy players at MLB level. Are there other alternatives out there?

Happy for Matt Wallner. I hope he has a chance to play for his honetown team soon. Sneakers are cool.

It's the hairdoo-doo! JR needs needs to grow back the "SoCal-heydude" look to reclaim the magic. Let 'er grow Joe!

Reported from MLB,com today, for Ober recent MRI shows: "...aponeurotic plate injury involving the interaction between the tendon and bone in his pelvic area. There is no set timetable for his possible return." The thought occurs Mr Ober may be out indefinitely, or have chronic issues with this. This , Dobnak, and tragic news for example of Max Meyer having TJ after one start in MLB......how can teams realistically plan anything long-term on pitching staffs when long term injuries are so ubiquitous? Hope it gets better, but dang, Bailey , we hardly knew 'ye... Does Ober's situation create more pressure on FO to land a front-end SP b4 Tuesday evening?

VeNVeNe I never would have guessed the WSJ knew what a baseball was. They got that one right......

Like the Sano for Hill angle, that is really creative and makes sense. Whether Bos would do it? But certainly worth a shot. Reality is to take on another 7M salary as in Thor's more than likely means having to lose salary elsewhere, and Sano's is the only one Twins could realistically move, unless we want to open up the trade Correa thread again, but something tells me we have all pretty much beat the horse dead. As others have intimidated here, I would rather roll into Aug/Sep with Smeltzer taking on LH pen duties, low-leverage to start and see how it goes. This seems preferable to trading more prospects for someone like Moore, who has found the magic elixer this season but who knows when the clock strikes midnight for him. I just think its actually less volatility with Smeltzer in that role. And, to be honest, a big part of the BP problem trickles down from what is shaping up as possibly the worst trade of the Falvine era. I would rather try to patch that self-inflicted wound with internal options instead of possibly losing even more in that trade by moving additional prospects. Love also the catchers named by Nick. Makes perfect sense, and any of those should be eminently gettable. Overall, this is a solid plan, I only question taking on the additional salary without related salary dump, for as we all know, this is still Twins territory.

Lopez would come w/ 2 full arb seasons, UFA end of 2024. For me the question would be whether or not he's open to an extension.....assuming Twins would not compete with ufa bidding if he made it that far. He would solidify mid rotation, age 26 coming into prime, some shoulder issues prior to trade to Miami but no signs of further injury. Been around awhile fir 26....was signed by Seattle internationally 2012 age 16. Youre right, it may be worth a gamble off the ML roster, but I would hope they would secure him for something longer than 2 yrs (which would presumably be less than 2 if he doesn't extend, as Twins would probably flip him sometime in '24).

The consensus seems to be the Twins need to develop talent in-house, and are not going to pay market rates for substantial FA's. If that's true, then it makes no sense to move a proven ML capable high-offense guy with 5-6 yrs of control, who the org has just sunk 5 years of development costs into, for 1.5 yrs of control for a #2'ish SP. If the team is built on developing talent internally, then the value lies in the ROI on that development in ML years 1-5. If they excel, they will be moved in year 5. I think Twins will not be moving either/or.

Twins the worst? Dont know. They are certainly bad. Is it org philosophy abt generating runs, coaching staff not prioritizing fundamental skills, players not focusing, all of the above? Dont know, but they are hurting themselves. Runs score 90' at a time. I wish they would take gaining that real estate with the commitment it deserves at MLB level, but it's hard to see that commitment with this team. 3 new pitchers arent going to fix that part.

CWS have a definite scheduling advantage, but that might not mean much when they have shown an ability to lose any game, to any team, on any night, for no reason other than ineptitude. Who wins ALC? I have no idea. Might be better put: In the next 10 weeks which teams will lose the most otherwise winnable games? The one with the lowest number wins.