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Article: Young For Their League
nicksaviking replied to Seth Stohs's topic in Twins Daily Front Page News
Great data Seth. Glad to see the minor leaguers are ahead of the curve age-wise. I wish the MLB roster was the same. For a rebuilding team, they have too many players 30+ for my taste..- 36 replies
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Article: Purchasing A Rotation, And What It Means
nicksaviking replied to Nick Nelson's topic in Twins Daily Front Page News
Which is why they should have been called up and allowed to struggle as soon as the Twins were out of contention last year. I'm of the mindset that there is very little minor league seasoning that is going to dampen a pitchers MLB struggles. Pitchers like Felix Hernandez, Clayton Kershaw and Jose Fernandez took the league by storm and pitched few MiLB innings. You're either a prodigy, or you aren't. If you aren't, you're just going to have to take your MLB lumps. Doesn't mean you can't be a star, but AAA is just homework, on the job training is always best.- 157 replies
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Article: Purchasing A Rotation, And What It Means
nicksaviking replied to Nick Nelson's topic in Twins Daily Front Page News
But May and Meyer shouldn't have been afforded the same MLB learning opportunities? Had they gotten June/July callups, they'd both be on the same learning arc as Gibson was but a year behind.- 157 replies
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Article: Purchasing A Rotation, And What It Means
nicksaviking replied to Nick Nelson's topic in Twins Daily Front Page News
Lacking fastball command and effective secondary pitches sounds exactly like the problem had by every pitcher in the Twins rotation not named Hughes last year.- 157 replies
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Article: Santana Signing Signals Shifting Mindset
nicksaviking replied to Nick Nelson's topic in Twins Daily Front Page News
We don't know that any of them will be the answer, but we need to find out. This team still needs an ace to win, maybe two. The young guys are the only chance at getting one. We aren't going to find out if they can lead a rotation while pitching in AAA. Last year was a lost season, they should have had them up, even if they were raw, with flaws and on pitch limits. The bullpen was overused anyway, it wouldn't have made a difference. They can learn more at the MLB level about what it takes to be a MLB pitcher than they can in AAA. The longer we wait to find out on these guys, the longer it will take for the rebuild. -
Article: Purchasing A Rotation, And What It Means
nicksaviking replied to Nick Nelson's topic in Twins Daily Front Page News
I think the Twins will be much better than expected. But having a good record isn't the same as contending. This team isn't contending until it has an ace or two leading the rotation.- 157 replies
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Article: Purchasing A Rotation, And What It Means
nicksaviking replied to Nick Nelson's topic in Twins Daily Front Page News
I don't disagree, but the problem is that you still are going to need an ace to win and the Twins haven't and won't be buying an ace on the free agent market. If the only chance to win is to get an ace, and the only way to get an ace is to develop one yourself, it seems the Twins are actually delaying the possiblity of becoming relevant, even if signing capable vets would instinctively seem to do the opposite. I don't believe any amount of minor league seasoning is going to prepare the young arms for the MLB level, I think they need to struggle at the big leagues first no matter what. The longer it is put off, the longer I think it will take for the team to make a run.- 157 replies
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Article: Purchasing A Rotation, And What It Means
nicksaviking replied to Nick Nelson's topic in Twins Daily Front Page News
Meyer and May were/are almost certainly going to be eaten alive as rookies no matter when they got called up, just like Gibson did. I would have rather they had taken their lumps in 2014 with the hopes that they became accustomed to MLB compitition in 2015 rather than 2016. Now they may take their lumps in 2016 and we have to hope they are competent in 2017. May and Meyer will not be blocked if Gibson and/or the #5 guy don't perform well. Nolasco, Santana and Hughes will not get benched no matter how May and Meyer perform. Seems silly to hope for injuries, and significant ones at that. Spot starts due to a couple of missed starts won't do them much good.- 157 replies
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Article: Purchasing A Rotation, And What It Means
nicksaviking replied to Nick Nelson's topic in Twins Daily Front Page News
Well the probelm with this is that the Twins aren't a contending team. The longer the team puts off the development of the prospects, the longer the rebuild will take Also, May and Meyer aren't being rushed, they're 25 and have had plenty of minor league seasoning.- 157 replies
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Article: Santana Signing Signals Shifting Mindset
nicksaviking replied to Nick Nelson's topic in Twins Daily Front Page News
I remember researching that two years ago when Willingham was the Twins largest free agent signing and it was the lowest largest free agent signing for any team. (There has to be a better way to phrase that!) 4/55 has moved them up though. They are definately ahead of the Padres, who I believe gave Carlos Quinten their largest contract and the Pirates who set their record this year with Liriano. This is equal in dollars but fewer years than the Royals gave Gil Meche. I think Cleveland's 4/56 deal for Swisher is their largest, so that's only a million buck more. They're low on the list, but who did you want? I woud never give a 6-7 year deal for a starting pitcher. The free agent class this year is awful. -
Article: Santana Signing Signals Shifting Mindset
nicksaviking replied to Nick Nelson's topic in Twins Daily Front Page News
Last year the injured starters were continally replaced by AAAA pitchers because their seniority "earned" them the promotion. And Nolasco was never demoted despite a full season of making the fans turn off the TV. Besides, I don't want Meyer, May, Berrios or any other true prospect to make spot starts, what good does that do? If they are going to start for the Twins, they should have a permanent position in the rotation until they prove unable to cut it. -
Article: Santana Signing Signals Shifting Mindset
nicksaviking replied to Nick Nelson's topic in Twins Daily Front Page News
I guess that I think in three years they'll either be very good starters or in the back of the bullpen. But I don't want to think, I want to know. We shouldn't be unsure of what they can do this time next year. We MIGHT get to see enough of them this year, but now that is not certain. This can't turn into a Chris Parmelee situation where he got five odd games here and 7 odd games there and we try to make a judgment based on piecemeal information. We shouldn't evaluate these guys based on a scattershot of data from spot starts and periodic bullpen appearances. -
Article: Santana Signing Signals Shifting Mindset
nicksaviking replied to Nick Nelson's topic in Twins Daily Front Page News
Theoretically they could get 30 starts. Theoretically they could get stuck in Rochester all season too. Sticking the youngstes in the rotation at the onset regardless of other options would have been the best way to ensure we get a clear idea of what they will give us in the furture. It could have shown that they won't cut it, but I don't care, we need to find out sometime, now is better than next year assuming being competitive is more of a future goal than a present goal. It is on the Twins to make room for prospects, but I don't trust them to put development ahead of country club ideals. This is the club that put Kris Johnson, Logan Darnell and Johan Pino at the head of the line because they were more veteran and had put more time in. It let Ricky Nolasco put up a historically terrible season for an entire year and re-signed Mike Pelfrey to a two year deal because they liked him in the clubhouse. -
Article: Santana Signing Signals Shifting Mindset
nicksaviking replied to Nick Nelson's topic in Twins Daily Front Page News
I wouldn't want Porcello or Fister, would have less interest in Kazmir, but there are look to be a lot of options next year. There may be bounce back seasons from Buchholz, Estrada and Masterson. There are just more pitchers. Regardless, I was already counting on 2015 to be a development year, meaning I was fine letting the young guys play even if they struggle. We need to know. We still might get some answers, but now it's not certain the picture will get any clearer. -
Article: Santana Signing Signals Shifting Mindset
nicksaviking replied to Nick Nelson's topic in Twins Daily Front Page News
This move really seems like the team is hoping to compete now, however I still dont think they can if they don't have an ace. It may be a long shot, but the team's only chance at getting an ace is to hope one of the young pitchers will turn into one. Santana's a fine pitcher, but I still think the best move was to give a full season to May and Meyer and then if one or both don't pan out, 2016 is when you go and find long term pitcher, Cueto, Latos, Zimmerman, Porcello, Fister, Kazmir, or Greinke, Samardzjia, Price for those of us with too high of expectations. Next year's free agent class projects to be so much better. -
Right, and what changed with Santana that the Twins only offered him 3/33 last year but this year they offered 4/55 plus an option year? A draft pick was included both times. To answer my own question, the Twins were displaying more desperation this year. Sometimes when you're back is against the wall you make great decisions that that free you from your circumstances. Other times you make rash decisions that worsens them. Hopefully this is the former.
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I wanted guys on short term deals, but it looks pretty clear that Masterson didn't want to come here. He reportedly wouldn't schedule a sit down with the Twins, and most people predicted that he'd receive more than he did with Boston, which indicates that he wanted to go back there to try to rebuild his value. Latos is under contract for only one year though and do you really think the Twins will be contenders this year? Why would you want to give up some nice prospects to get him in a losing year? If the Twins want him, they can go after him as a free agent next year, no prospects attached.
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Article: Twins Select JR Graham, Lose Gilmartin
nicksaviking replied to Seth Stohs's topic in Twins Daily Front Page News
Gilmartin wasn't on the 40-man, that's why the Mets were able to draft him. The Twins will have to DFA or trade someone else, and there are plenty of options for both. -
Article: Twins Select JR Graham, Lose Gilmartin
nicksaviking replied to Seth Stohs's topic in Twins Daily Front Page News
And it was a looooooong journey to get him to the point of being an average reliever. I'd expect an equally long and even more unlikely journey for Gilmartin to match him.