mnfireman

You were saying....

Ryan done. He didn't have his good stuff tonight, might be hitting the wall as he's pitched more innings this year than any other year at any level.

I don't hate him, but he is a once week starter or a 10 day IL fill in. To have to run him out there every night means very bad things have happened to the starting OF's (like they are all on the IL).

The dreaded lead-off triple....

At least it was only one extra pitch....

C'mon fellas, gotta catch that.

Neither is Ohtani....

Detmers is a fairly tough lefty, surprised Arraez doesn't have the day off as well.

"Carlos Correa has been an offensive disapointment." From FanGraphs: Year HR BB% K% AVG OBP SLG wOBA xwOBA wRC+ WAR 2022 21 11% 20% .288 .365 .467 .362 .365 140 4.1 Career Average 19 11% 20% .278 .357 .479 .357 .363 129 3.9 Correa is on track for the third-best season of his career by WAR and wRC+. Despite the dual nature of this season, it looks like his 2022 stats and his career averages will be pretty much identical. Hey, maybe he should just re-sign with Minnesota.

Judge $85.7M & Ohtani $70.4M....

Sano had his knee scoped in early May and began his rehab assignment July 4. Using 2 months as a timetable, Buxton should be able to resume baseball related activities around Thanksgiving, probably when he starts his off-season program anyway.

Cal Ripken never took a "scheduled day off" from May 29, 1982 until September 20, 1998, and the 1986 - 1988 Baltimore Orioles were pretty bad, he probably could have used a mental wellness day...

There are 6 starting pitchers 25 and under who have pitched enough innings to qualify for rate stats (1 IP per team game), 21 starting pitchers under age 28 who qualify. Not exactly tons. But to be fair, there are only 46 pitchers who have pitched enough innings to qualify,,,

Cleveland has more top starters come from other organizations than they have developed: Traded for: Quantrill, Pilkington (still in development, maybe), Clevinger, Bauer, Kluber, Carrasco. Drafted: Bieber (probably the cream of the crop), McKenzie, Plesac and Civale. Drafted duds: Cody Anderson, Danny Salazar (free agent), Josh Tomlin, Adam Plutko. This is a quick look at their starters since about 2015 or 2016.

I think it was a fan base's misguided expectation based on another team's results...

Even the Yankees and Dodgers have off nights (not to confuse the Twins with either). But seriously, Celestino, Cave, Palacios, Leon, Beckham, Garlick, Contreras, Hamilton, and Hamilton should not be starting everyday. Even Arraez and Gordon are more suited to super-utility roles than everyday starters.

That's more ridiculous than Urshela and Sanchez hitting 4 and 5.....

Maybe cancelling the 2020 minor league season hurt development more than fans think. The players all got a year older, but lost a year of development. Pitch counts, limiting times facing a line-up and 6 man rotations have had to also affect development, though I have no idea if there is data to substantiate this. Pitching philosophy also has to play into it, Johnson leaned heavily on slider usage and max effort velocity, if this was taught system wide it could very well be part of the reason for the seeming uptick in elbow and shoulder problems throughout both the minor and major league teams.

Fielding a AA/AAA line-up every night is bound to catch up with any team. Having to run Celestino, Cave, Contreras, Leon, Hamilton, Garlick, Palacios and Beckham out there almost every night is not playing without heart, its playing without MLB talent. Each of Buxton, Kepler, Larnach, Kirilloff, Jeffers, and Polanco tried to play through injury, and that is playing with heart. Gray, Mahle, Ober Coulombe, and a few others tried to pitch through injury, and, if what one TD poster says is true, Lopez has been dealing with personal issues but still wants the ball. That's heart. Yes, some players are having down years, but that happens every year, to every team. This team played with immense heart, everything just finally caught up to them about mid-August and has fallen off the rails in September.

Considering that the majority of the starting players are on the IL, I don't think that you can fairly judge them. The MLB talent they have been able to play has put up pretty decent numbers in general, but when you have to trot out AA/AAA level players every night it's pretty hard to compete, even with the KC Royals...

And Wallner picks up Celestino's slack....

IF everyone gets healthy over the off-season it will be a nice problem to figure out the rotation and the line-up. Rotation: Ryan, Ober, Winder, Varland, Mahle, Gray, Mazda, SWR, Paddock, and possibly Duran. Piggyback 'em, BP 'em, whatever is needed as we have seen that there is no such thing as too many SP's. Line-up: Arraez, Miranda, Polanco, Urshela, Larnach, Buxton, Kepler, Kirilloff, Wallner, Lewis, Gordon, Jeffers, and possibly Correa. Probably need to sign another C. Again, find a place to play 'em and there is no such thing as too many.

Urshela has been worth $12.8M this year, according to FanGraphs, while earing $6.55M. If his arbitration comes in at $8-10M, which I think I read somewhere that would be his projected salary, then bring him back. He has been productive and healthy, something that can't be said for everyone on this team the last 2 seasons. Pagan can be traded, if they can find a taker who thinks they can fix him, or non-tendered. Either option would be fine with me.

Yes, but the extra runner in the 15th got tagged out on a play at 3B.

Over......