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That’s fine, but you seem to spend a lot of effort arguing against those people who do want to see a deep playoff run. (I will resist saying “World Series Champion or bust” because I think most people will be able to agree that a season like the 2014 Royals or 2017 Brewers would be a success, even if ending in disappointment.) One thing I don’t understand is why you feel it would be going “all in” if the Twins traded away one or two of our Top 6 or 8 prospects? Do you not have confidence in the front office in replenishing the system? Another thing I don’t understand is why you think signing a contract like Wheeler’s or Ryu would be considered breaking the bank? Do you not see the organization as being in good financial health? Edit: not picking on you, just airing the questions (again) to anyone in general
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Front Page: Twins and 2020 Arbitration
Hosken Bombo Disco replied to Seth Stohs's topic in Twins Daily Front Page News
So, a pitcher showing his age, and a pile of cash?- 80 replies
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Front Page: Twins and 2020 Arbitration
Hosken Bombo Disco replied to Seth Stohs's topic in Twins Daily Front Page News
With three years of control left, what do you suppose Berrios could fetch in return in a trade?- 80 replies
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Like you, I would say Eddie would be little affected by a switch back to a standard baseball in a hypothetical 2020 season. Sano hits the ball a mile, Kepler has a great level swing that produces great backspin, and Cruz is just a professional hitter plain and simple, so hopefully not those guys either. Garver has a great eye for the strike zone but I’d be most concerned with Garver’s production dropping off next year, dejuiced ball or not.
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Not to jump on Doogie or anyone else, but if I recall, Phil Miller wrote than the Twins’ offer to Donaldson was “more than 20 million in annual value” or words to that effect. And that they haven’t really raised their original offer. So, guess the Twins offer to be something like 4/84 or so, and not 4/105-110.
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Too steep for me — but I get where you are coming from.
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The Dodgers also gave Kershaw a generous lifetime contract before he hit free agency, complete with an opt-out invitation to renegotiate down the line. You really think this front office is going to do that with their young stars? Not a rhetorical question any more. My answer is I highly, highly doubt it.
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The Mets won’t trade Syndergaard this offseason—I’d be stunned if they did. The other offers you mention Nash are intriguing but I have a hard time evaluating these particular ones. I wonder if Pittsburgh feels burned having traded Cole, or Detroit trading Verlander now two years later. The Twins apparently made no gestures for either of those pitchers, nor James Paxton last offseason. But I will call back to what jorgenswest said in Nick Nelson’s thread about David Price. I think if the Twins offered a decent prospect (but not top five) and then took roughly half of Price’s salary, that might be a fair deal for both sides. At that cost, maybe Price would compare well with the Keuchel, Bumgarner, or Ryu group. Not to mention, Price’s injury history would seem to be of little concern to this front office. Long way of saying... none of the proposals above look as attractive or doable to me as David Price. However I do like Chris Archer and I know that guy can pitch. I just wouldn’t offer both Rooker and Gordon. I will have to think about it.
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Are Homer Bailey and Rich Hill Really A Good Idea?
Hosken Bombo Disco commented on TwinsFan268's blog entry in You Shouldn't Have Lost
I am sure you are mistaken. Wheeler simply accepted the more desirable offer of two similar offers (Chicago’s was apparently a few million more for the same years). And even in Bumgarner’s case, if the Twins wanted to get creative, I think they could have attracted him here. Say, a 4/80 contract front loaded with an opt-out after two years. What is your opinion on a possible offer like that? -
Are Homer Bailey and Rich Hill Really A Good Idea?
Hosken Bombo Disco commented on TwinsFan268's blog entry in You Shouldn't Have Lost
I would have bundled up all that salary we are paying Hill, Bailey, and Pineda and applied it to either Bumgarner, Wheeler, or Ryu. But that’s just me. This all kind of feels like the 2017-2018 offseason, coming off the optimism from being in the Wild Card game, and then seeing the free agent signings be underwhelming (and I was against the two biggest signings that year, Morrison and Lynn). But give them credit for the Odorizzi trade that year. Can the FO pull a rabbit out of their hat and save the offseason somehow? -
I am glad you mentioned Poppen and Wells. Throw in Ober but probably not until next year. They are playing the numbers game with MLB-ready pitching and one or two of them are bound to work out well. However I still would rather bundle up all that salary committed to Hill/Bailey/Pineda and sign someone really solid. (Or past tense would have signed, since it’s not going to happen at this point)
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That was an acceptable result.
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Sounds good. However even in the Royals case, it wasn’t really trading prospects or signing outrageous free agent contracts for an “all-in” situation. They won 86 games in 2013, the season before their two-year reign atop the AL, and caught some unlucky breaks in 2016 and after. Even so, a Royals fan posted here recently that winning it all in 2015 would have been worth it either way http://twinsdaily.com/topic/35929-front-page-the-royals-problem-just-how-much-are-you-willing-to-give-up-to-win-a-world-series/?p=945663
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I agree with you about favoring the Cardinals model, but I respectfully disagree that it doesn’t matter how we talk about these things, as I think phrases like “sell the farm” and “mortgage the future” shows an unwillingness to even allow the conversation. Otherwise, I get it. Prospects are cool and I want them to do well too, and they are the most important ingredient to sustained success (but not the only ingredient). I would also like the front office to take a chance and make some bets on them, maybe trade one or two of the best ones while leaving the rest of the system intact, like other successful organizations do every year. Cheers!
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I will disagree with you here. (Because of course I will, right!?) There was a plausible offer from the Mets last July of Buxton for Syndergaard. Kepler could have filled in in CF just fine for the remainder of 2019, probably beyond. Granted it’s unknowable to us if the ask for Buxton was negotiating point that the Mets could have been talked down from, or on the other side, of the ask for Buxton was more of a message like “go away, we ain’t trading Syndergaard” in response to rumors. The middle road here is to assume that Buxton-for-Syndergaard was legitimate. And Buxton (at least at that time) was a valuable asset. The same can’t be said for Jake Cave. The wild card here of course is disrupting the chemistry of the team like that in the middle of the race; Buxton and Kepler appear to be close teammates, to boot. But surely the front office under your scenario could still trade Buxton or Kepler this offseason—if it is “extremely valuable MLB assets” we are conditioning this on.
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Mine: 4. Eddie’s home run in 2015 on the first pitch. It felt like, there was finally something to look ahead to. 3. Opening Day in 2010—or as the above poster pointed out, the exhibition game before Opening Day, when fans could first walk through the gates to watch outdoor baseball. It was time to turn the page on the Metrodome and it had been a long perilous journey to get to outdoor baseball. 2. Dozier’s walk-off home in run 2015 right before the break, after being snubbed for the All Star game, and the Twins actually had one of the best records in the AL at that time, if I recall. Best baseball moment by far. 1. Mauer’s last inning in 2018, for all the reasons... We knew Mauer was retiring but I did not see that coming. .. I would have picked Opening Day as number one, but Mauer was around long before that, so he gets the top spot.
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I think the window opened in 2017, but I don’t think it will close... [counts to five]... I don’t think it will necessarily close in 2021. The Twins should be competitive for a long time. It would be nice to see something more than a division crown at some point. That’s not nothing, but they need to make a deep run in the postseason—at least into the ALCS. That’s what success looks like to the fans, regardless of what Twins brass tell themselves. In the next year or two, the Twins will need to extend Berrios and one or two of Graterol, Ober, Duran, or name your favorite, those will need to blossom as starters, plus some others developing and some supplementing via free agency, then things should be okay. (I still hold out hope for Tyler Wells in some role). Free agency will also need to be part of this.