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Yes, that is what I am saying. Offer him something he can’t refuse, like the Yankees did with Cole. Yes? I’m addition, I think the “health concern” is a crutch. It’s like a sports version of the fortune cookie joke: you can add the words “if he’s healthy” to just about every statement made about any player’s performance. In fact Pineda comes to mind as much as anyone as someone who needs to stay healthy. -
Then he chooses Minnesota’s higher offer and makes his “pile of money” in Minnesota, correct?
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Then after two years, Bumgarner gauges the market and decides whether he should opt out, or not. Either way, after the Twins contract, Bumgarner finally takes his team-friendly deal in Arizona, because money is not Bumgarner’s primary motivation, remember? I mean, we just saw this with Gerrit Cole a week ago, no? Cole was dead set on signing with a California team, telling his teammates as much, until New York showed enough interest in Cole that he was forced to listen. And Cole’s family is from Southern California to boot. “What if Arizona isn’t in position to sign Bumgarner in two years?” Then he takes the below market contract at that time instead. That’s what.
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On second thought, I still like the idea of offering him big up-front money, and/or an opt-out after two years, at which time he could go do his Arizona thing after that. The Twins really, really need starting pitching and I really wish they would have been more a part of this Bumgarner negotiation. I mean, Arizona floated a $70 million contract idea to him, and he turned it down earlier in free agency. Sure he wanted to go to Arizona but that does not mean there wasn’t a window or a way to entice him.
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Well, he says he had at least two 5/100+ offers, and get this, his 2020 salary will be... $6 million. (So much for my prediction of front loading to woo him here ) Here is one of the money quotes: “He always loved spending spring training here, to the point that he and his wife occasionally brought out their horses from North Carolina for the two-month stay. He likes Arizona so much that he told his agent, Ed Cerulo of VC Sports, that the Diamondbacks were “the number-one place for me.” He got what he wanted. “It just feels like where I’m supposed to be,” Bumgarner said.
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Remaining Free Agents (and why they won't sign here)
Hosken Bombo Disco commented on scottz's blog entry in Catching Some Zs
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Remaining Free Agents (and why they won't sign here)
Hosken Bombo Disco commented on scottz's blog entry in Catching Some Zs
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Here is s challenge to you: Follow the hyperlinks. Where do they lead? What are the original sources for the claim that Lewis won’t play short?
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I’m just saying that you are presenting data in a way that makes it look like spending money isn’t effective. I’m also confused, because by your own estimates in other threads, a five-year Wheeler or Bumgarner contract would have been affordable with money left over. I don’t understand why you seem to be running from that. Maybe individually, a Dobnak or Smeltzer provides more value dollar for dollar in 2020 than Bumgarner or Wheeler, but would you agree the calculus breaks down at some point, that a staff full of Dobnaks and Smeltzers isn’t as good as a staff with Dobnak, Smeltzer, and a Bumgarner or Wheeler in it?
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The problem I see with your list is that it looks like you are hiding the high-dollar contract extension agreements these teams are making with their current players. Someone looking at your list of St. Louis Cardinals won’t see last year’s Goldschmidt extension, or the $97 million Wainwright extension, or the $130 million dollars Yadier Molina has earned. Not to mention the big Matt Holliday contract which falls just outside the date range. Someone looking at your list of Houston Astros won’t know that Verlander and Springer signed huge extensions too.
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Once when I was visiting a town in Texas, south of Dallas, someone heard my accent and asked me where I was from. “Minnesota,” I said. “That near Dallas?” they said.
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Did you ever respond to the St. Louis Cardinals list of spending?
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Okay, well that wasn’t me in the subset of posters you are thinking of. What I remember when he was hired was some pretty good feeling about the future. There was even an account opened with the user name Fire Falvey that we had some fun with. I think in general there is still optimism, but for some, the shine has worn off. As for my “Falvey fans” comment, I am not going to define or defend that, as it was a poor choice of words. Your offer of a donation to charity is appreciated. I would recommend a dog rescue organization.
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I am the poster you are referring to, and you are wrong. I am skeptical of the front office, yes, very much so. I don’t have it out for them personally. That is quite different. I didn’t have it out for them from “the moment they were hired”. No one did. Literally, no one. I liked their early moves. I was disappointed they did not show interest in trading for Gerrit Cole. And they can win me over—easily—by signing Bumgarner. As for cost-benefit, quantitative impact of a top starter, and that other stuff you threw in there... no one really has any data about that that they can be confident in.
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This whole website is full of specific, actionable trade and free agent ideas that the front office should consider, from writers and posters alike. Frankly, in my opinion, I personally think it’s dishonest for certain posters or media members to keep asking questions like this. Not singling anyone out here. “Go out and sign Wheeler at whatever price” is a valid suggestion for improving the team, like it or not. It implies not that the Twins should have offered him Gerrit Cole money, but only that they outbid other teams by enough to persuade him to keep the negotiation open until he signs. And to bring you back into this, MLR.. by your own payroll estimate in another thread, the Twins could have won Wheeler with such an offer and still be comfortably under the payroll ceiling you predicted. So there’s a specific free agency idea. As for trade ideas, I see them on this site every day. You don’t have to like them, but they are there.
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For me, a Bumgarner signing would still be welcome, but at this stage I’m just looking for some consistency from people. I’m not singling you out. But if someone in October publicly says something like “the time is right to acquire a front line starter” (meaning Wheeler or Bumgarner, not Odorizzi), then I would expect that person to conduct some sort of public self-reflection in February 2020 when that doesn’t come to pass. But like you, regardless of what ownership or the front office does or does not do, I will be rooting for this team to the very end.
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Still, the Twins should have “bothered” to make an offer anyway. If the Twins had offered Wheeler 5/125 and Wheeler still turned it down, this whole media market would be awash in praise for Pohlad and the front office. The Falvey fans on this site would be in a frenzy. It’s all we would hear about until training camp—and probably long after that!
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Mike makes a great point. You can’t argue on one hand that “aces” only come from First Round draft picks (you forgot to list Wheeler in there ) and then on the other hand, express your faith that the Twins will use superior analytics to produce some aces from the lesser group of prospects you list. I’d call the Odorizzi trade a success, but the Pérez signing didn’t work out, and the Pineda signing a wait-and-see. Signing Bumgarner or Wheeler this off-season would have been an obviously good baseball decision in my opinion.
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Also, welcome back Caleb Thielbar! If I were a young kid in my early 30s, I’d take every chance I could get to make a comeback too. Given em hell dude!
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My god. I thought your post was just part of the satire.
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Welcome back, glad you are alive and oh by the way, on first read sitting at a loud bar, here is what I thought your post said:
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Okay, but when was the last time the Yankees or Angels represented the AL in the World Series? It's been a surprisingly big number of teams from between the coasts
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They want a Super Bowl homeboy?
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This year I am betting on: “Lost a playoff game to a team below .500”—Dallas or Philly
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All the MLB front offices were polled, and it was unanimous—the Twins had the best winter meetings! Three years in a row now!
