Austin Martin is Finishing a Redeeming September

Big year for his future next year.... a big year indeed

Any update on his defense?

43 minutes ago, DJL44 said:

Any update on his defense?

Seems like a lot less errors since coming back from injury. Maybe someone else knows more detail.

Royce Lewis also went to the AFL with a lot people down on him. Even after he showed that he could also excel at CF & 3B & be the AFL MVP, people were still down on him.

I'm expecting Martin to follow the same road as Lewis & Wallner. Martin's upward trend will continue at AFL. I doubt Martin will start at SS so I expect to see him play CF, 3B or even 2B & do very well there.

1 month is a good start but we do need more consistency from him.  With the way he’s hit so far major league pitchers won’t walk him as often if he can’t hit at all.  Also with the amount of power he is flashing, he needs to be close to a .300 hitter to have value.  Really a .350 OBP in the majors since he doesn’t have much extra base ability despite his speed.

The Twins have to figure out where they will be playing Martin. Sure, they can jerk him around the diamond (like the Twins did Cuddyer before settling him into...right field.).

But he only has the few years in minor league system.

Be interesting to see how the Twins end up handling Brooks Lee, a possible similar player.

Sounds to me like he’s the right-handed complement to Nick Gordon.

At 6' 185lbs, (as he's listed), he may never develop as a 20HR power hitter. But I wouldn't be surprised if HR power develops over time. But with a bunch of doubles, a few triples I'd be fine if he was in the teens. But agree that more power HAS to come unless the BA and OB are well above average or ML pitchers will just dare him to hit.

The hit tool and OB ability appear to be there, even though we haven't seen the big average yet. So I'm still holding out belief he's going to raise his game another level soon, and the AFL could be a big springboard for 2023.

I just don't know about him sticking at SS. I've always believed if there's a chance for someone to play the spot, even on an average basis, you leave him there as long as possible to see. And reports I've seen have him looking better post wrist injury and fewer errors. But with Lewis and Lee and a large group of new SS additions in the past couple of drafts, it just feels to me the time is right for him to move to the OF. Of course, nothing wrong with him being able to be an infield fill-in when needed.

I've heard the FO feels he could transition to the OF almost immediately and be very good there. Maybe it's just time to get the most out of him and could "relax" him in regard to his hitting by making the move. 

Year three is going to be big for him. 

One thing people need to remember, is he was a high prospect for a reason.  That does not mean he will have success, but many gave up on Nick Gordon in the organization.  Many fans wanted him cut or traded coming into the year.  They were calling him a bust.  He is now 26 and his numbers are very similar a Jose Miranda, who people are all over saying he is amazing, he is 24.  Aside from a few more HR for Miranda the numbers are nearly the same. 

That being said, Martin had a down year, Gordon would have several down years.  We talked for years Gordon needed to add to power, and kept repeating levels.  Now, Gordon had reasons he never built up the muscle to add to the power, until now, but point is, still a little early for some to give up on Martin. 

Will he be a superstar, maybe maybe not, but he is 24, and next season will be a big season for him to see where he falls in the pecking order, but since he came back from his wrist injury he is back to what he was doing last year.  Hopefully he can an minimum develop some power, but look at Arraez, he was an OBP guy, with little power, but he develop some this year as well.  

Hopefully AFL, and normal spring training will help Martin develop and can push his way into the lineup.  He will have his work cut out, being Lewis should be back, Gordon has shown value, Miranda has shown value, and Lee may have leapfrogged him.  However, if he can play CF on defense and can get on base at high clip he will have value when Buck gets hurt next year. 

Celestino has played a lot as a 4th OF type. Martin is likely a big upgrade over Celestino at minimum. 

16 hours ago, Mike Sixel said:

Given Buxton's healthy (and Larnarch and AK), I'd move him to CF right now. He can backup all the OF spots. They don't need more middle infielders at this point (and if they do because CC is gone and Lewis and Gordon and Arraez and Polanco are hurt, the season isn't going to go well anyway).

I was thinking the same thing. Even if he isn't ready for the everyday SS position, it cannot hurt him ?to play some CF. He might end up being one of the best utility players we have on the team outside of Gordon. Also, him moving to the OF might help save some wrist injuries as he more than likely won't be getting the ball as much. Plus we don't have too many RH batters for the OF. And if he does transition to CF, lack of power won't be much of an issue as long as his defense can play and he can consistently get on base. 

On top of that we have a plethora of IF ready to play in Arraez, Lee, Miranda, Julien, Polanco, Lewis, Urshela, and super utility Gordon ready to step up and go. 

Still hopeful on Martin. His stolen base numbers are eye catching though Rocco wouldn’t let him steal a base because maybe someone behind him in the lineup might hit a home run. Earl Weaver reincarnated.

6 minutes ago, nicksaviking said:

Sorry, I just can't get excited about a guy who's ceiling is Luis Arraez. And most guys don't hit their ceilings. He might end up being a usable player, but he'll almost certainly be someone the team is always looking to upgrade from.

Austin Martin has a lot better foot speed than Arraez. I like the Nick Gordon comp. Both highly rated draft picks who can't quite handle SS at the big league level.

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Martin is likely a big upgrade over Celestino at minimum.

Maybe Martin can hit the cutoff on a relay. I don't think Celestino has hit his ceiling yet. He makes a lot of rookie mistakes.

I doubt we see Martin debut until September 2023. He won't be on the 40 man roster this offseason.

I think Martin has been mishandled, was not ready for AA when Blue Jays had him there. Should have at least put at high A and let him have some success before moving up. Too much pressure to produce power, he is not built for power. Need a RH OF, Garlick cannot stay healthy-time to move on from him. Celestino has had some moments but hitting wise looks like a 4th/5th OF and can only play OF. Can see Martin as RH version of Gordon, able to play multiple positions IF and OF. Let Martin be who he is hitting wise, high OBP, SB threat, occasional power.

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I'm not high on moving him to the outfield.  I would like an outfielder, even a 4th outfielder to have more power.  I would be interested in what type of player he could be as a 2nd baseman.  Polanco has been breaking down and may be time to move from him in the near future.  They lose some power but if he figures out the OBP and Average piece of hitting in the next 9 months it would be nice to have a right side of the infield (assuming Arraez sticks as primary 1st baseman) hitting .300+ with a .350-.375 OBP with lots of Extra base hits.  

1 hour ago, nicksaviking said:

Footspeed doesn't mean a ton with this team. 

And I know everyone is on board with better defensive players right now, but it always seems more important in theory than in practice. A good defensive player who's only putting up an OPS of .700 starts hearing the grumblings of discontent by the end of May when there's another option sitting in AAA who looks capable of topping .800.

It is simple reality; defense prevents runs, you do not stop the opposing teams runs withpoor fielding, your bat is not going to save the day.

Why can't we just get a rookie pair like Braves right-hander Spencer Strider and center fielder Michael Harris II? We just have to lament our top prospect's short comings and make hopeful excuses. Strider (23 all season 4th round 2020, Clemson) and Harris (21, 3rd round 2019, high school) didn't seem to suffer development because of the Pandemic as is our writers common fallback. They were both there for Falvey (and all the rest of the teams - ha - beat you to it). And the Braves had no problem moving Strider to the starting rotation (like Duran desires) even as he was a certified weapon in the pen when they could improve their starting rotation and team. Those guys are "young", not 24 and 26 year olds that our writers and fans like to call young.

Oh well. We got Martin to still hope about, and one good month in AA ball in 2022 after repeating another year in AA ball. Maybe see him in a couple of years? Maybe?

1 hour ago, nicksaviking said:

It is simple, and you are 100% wrong. Your bat can save the day even if the fielding is bad. Your glove can't save the day if you don't score runs. No team has ever won a game with zero runs. Never. Offensive is > defense and it really isn't even disputable. A team full of Babe Ruths will beat a team full of Omar Vizquels 90% of the time.

Oakland A's defeated the Twins in a inning without a hit, Twins fielding errors scored the runs, SO, you are wrong.

A hot finish is nice, but I don't think Martin is that good of a prospect now that we've got a larger sample size on him. He's supposedly a bat-first prospect who will mostly slap singles and draw walks, and defensively can't handle SS despite being given every chance to stick there... so he'll probably play in the outfield and have the speed for it, but his inexperience there could make it a slower transition.

Maybe I'm just getting jaded, but I can't say I have any confidence here. We talked last year about how hot Celestino finished the year in the minors despite a very poor first 4 months, and now he's sporting a .620 OPS in the majors.

Would love to see Martin get back on track and shoot back up the organization's prospect list. I really like the speed and the ability to get on base. Hope 2023 is the year of his ascent.

10 hours ago, Trov said:

One thing people need to remember, is he was a high prospect for a reason.  That does not mean he will have success, but many gave up on Nick Gordon in the organization.  Many fans wanted him cut or traded coming into the year.  They were calling him a bust.  He is now 26 and his numbers are very similar a Jose Miranda, who people are all over saying he is amazing, he is 24.  Aside from a few more HR for Miranda the numbers are nearly the same. 

That being said, Martin had a down year, Gordon would have several down years.  We talked for years Gordon needed to add to power, and kept repeating levels.  Now, Gordon had reasons he never built up the muscle to add to the power, until now, but point is, still a little early for some to give up on Martin. 

Will he be a superstar, maybe maybe not, but he is 24, and next season will be a big season for him to see where he falls in the pecking order, but since he came back from his wrist injury he is back to what he was doing last year.  Hopefully he can an minimum develop some power, but look at Arraez, he was an OBP guy, with little power, but he develop some this year as well.  

Hopefully AFL, and normal spring training will help Martin develop and can push his way into the lineup.  He will have his work cut out, being Lewis should be back, Gordon has shown value, Miranda has shown value, and Lee may have leapfrogged him.  However, if he can play CF on defense and can get on base at high clip he will have value when Buck gets hurt next year. 

The fact that we're using Gordon as a comp at all is pretty damning no?