Reevaluating the Catcher Trade Market

I have very little confidence in the FO.  Remember they themselves said the process is more important than the results.  That was mainly about Pagan but obviously seems to be the Twins philosophy.  Don't disrupt the "plan" even if it isn't working.

D’Arnaud’s 2021 wRC+ was 78. He had a career high BABIP last year. He seems like a buy high and we would have to count on him putting up another over 100 wRC+ at 34 to make it pay off his BTV cost. His projected WAR is just a little better than Narvaez and Vazquez. Is it worth that cost? For comparison his BTV value of 13.3 is within one of Jeffers, Buxton, Thielbar and Rodriguez. The only one I would consider trading from that group is Thielbar.

Twins are going to add two catchers to the 40 man at some point this winter.  One will be straight up org filler, the other will be Jeffer's backup/platoon.

Everybody you listed will cost more in prospects than the Twins are willing to give up.  Do not look for any major moves here either.

The problem with Murphy is he's expensive & demands prospects. And the problem with all those listed (and I'll throw in Valdez) are they all bat RH. Which doesn't solve the problem of Jeffer's problem against RHPs.

Narvaez bats LH. he solves this problem. He is our man, unless someone can come up with someone better that bats LH or switch, that's available. This is only a band-aid,, we need a long term solution.

16 minutes ago, Fire Dan Gladden said:

Twins are going to add two catchers to the 40 man at some point this winter.  One will be straight up org filler, the other will be Jeffer's backup/platoon.

Everybody you listed will cost more in prospects than the Twins are willing to give up.  Do not look for any major moves here either.

 

It seems Sanchez does not want to be with the Twins (I wonder why) and Jeffers should be catcher no. 3 as even if his bat improves, I truly doubt his defense will ever be even average.

They need a top line catcher, so opponents know that in at least x percent of the games it is not run-at-will.

All the so-and -so out of the minors will be just great is bloviating; ten or so years ago , Buxton, Hicks, Sano were going to save the Twins, yeah right.

One problem the that no quick fix will solve, even when the Twins were well in the lead this summer, the talking heads on news sports, treated them as a side note; mention of the Vikings got near as much blah, blah, blah all summer on the channels I watched.

Don't have a clue whether they will acquire them via trade, free agency, the Rule 5 or however.  But the Twins need 3 catchers.

One is a solid vet who preferably bats left handed and will act as 1a with Jeffers being 1b.  The second is a vet, think Leon, who can be signed to a minor league contract.  He will begin the year in St. Paul and his experience should help those young pitchers who also should begin their year with the Saints.  He will be available to be added to the 40-man if/when catcher 1a or 1b goes on the IL.  

The third is a solid big league prospect who is at least at AA.  It would be shocking if this young man were available in the Rule 5.  That means his acquisition will need to be a trade, although maybe their luck from last night will hold and they find this young man in the Rule 5.

If we’re never going to sign good players because it needs to meet this irrational, unattainable threshold of “making sense” and “fitting into the process,” how can you give away prospects for a player like d’Arnaud with a straight face?

If we are going into spring training with that being the marquee off-season move - shut the whole thing down for all I care.  See if contraction is still an option, move to Vegas, whatever. I’m done.

If they do that to supplement bringing back Correa and a quality bullpen arm or two - I’m listening.  I still won’t feel good about the way this steaming heap is being run, but I may be somewhat interested in the team’s performance.

https://www.mlbtraderumors.com/2022/12/twins-rumors-christian-vazquez-offer.html

Not sure what Vasquez would cost the Twins with the contract offer but he would be a fine addition.  Maybe Jeffers could learn something from him,

8 hours ago, Doctor Gast said:

The problem with Murphy is he's expensive & demands prospects. And the problem with all those listed (and I'll throw in Valdez) are they all bat RH. Which doesn't solve the problem of Jeffer's problem against RHPs.

Narvaez bats LH. he solves this problem. He is our man, unless someone can come up with someone better that bats LH or switch, that's available. This is only a band-aid,, we need a long term solution.

The strange thing about Jeffers is he has a better career OPS in games started by a right handed pitcher than left handed. The sample even on a career may not be significant but I think it is an artifact of batting near the bottom of the order and rarely seeing a right handed starter three times. Put him between two lefties and he is probably seeing a left handed reliever.

I like Narvaez but I would go with the better defensive catcher between he and Vazquez. They have plenty of lefties that can pinch hit in a key moment late in the game.

10 hours ago, Doctor Gast said:

The problem with Murphy is he's expensive & demands prospects. And the problem with all those listed (and I'll throw in Valdez) are they all bat RH. Which doesn't solve the problem of Jeffer's problem against RHPs.

Narvaez bats LH. he solves this problem. He is our man, unless someone can come up with someone better that bats LH or switch, that's available. This is only a band-aid,, we need a long term solution.

Not sure which problem bringing in a left handed hitting catcher that hit .205 against right handed pitchers last year solves.  The target needs to be Gabriel Moreno.  He hits right handed but hits right handers well.  Sure he'll cost but the return will be worth it.

7 hours ago, dxpavelka said:

Not sure which problem bringing in a left handed hitting catcher that hit .205 against right handed pitchers last year solves.  The target needs to be Gabriel Moreno.  He hits right handed but hits right handers well.  Sure he'll cost but the return will be worth it.

Narvaez's #s last season are an exception not the rule. His '21 #s are more inline to his avg,

1 hour ago, Doctor Gast said:

Narvaez's #s last season are an exception not the rule. His '21 #s are more inline to his avg,

Split	G	GS	PA	AB	R	H	2B	3B	HR	RBI	SB	CS	BB	SO	BA	OBP	SLG	OPS	TB	GDP	HBP	SH	SF	IBB	ROE	BAbip	tOPS+	sOPS+
vs RHP	120		373	325	48	94	19	0	10	42	0	0	37	68	.289	.365	.440	.805	143	11	5	0	6	3	1	.332	116	123

How many times over the years have we been burned by something the we thought was the exception that was actually a  trend or a new reality?  Regardless, the guy hit under .210 in total last year.  Not somebody I'm betting the mortgage on.

5 hours ago, Karbo said:

I really don't care if he hits RH or LH as long as he can hit lefties.

I think you mean righties, because Jeffers has trouble with righties. 

Where is the simple and better option of just signing free agent Christian Vazquez? No need to waste any prospects when Vasquez is available.

1 hour ago, darin617 said:

Where is the simple and better option of just signing free agent Christian Vazquez? No need to waste any prospects when Vasquez is available.

This is the allure of signing free agents - no need to trade our precious; sign Vasquez.

“The Twins still have plenty of confidence in Ryan Jeffers“. Why?

On 12/10/2022 at 7:37 PM, Reptevia said:

“The Twins still have plenty of confidence in Ryan Jeffers“. Why?

Because he "destroys" lefties?

Destroys? Really?