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    Ted Schwerzler

    While Opening Day was bearing down on the Minnesota Twins, weather delayed things just a bit. With the schedule now set to open on Friday, the front office continued working as they acquired Chris Paddack and Emilio Pagan from the Padres in exchange for closer Taylor Rogers and Brent Rooker. What does that do to the roster?

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    First and foremost, the first guy Minnesota gave up was a pillar in the clubhouse for the Twins. If there’s a way for this to go pear-shaped, it’s in disrupting chemistry we’ve heard talked about so highly coming into the season. Rogers was the Twins MLBPA player rep and worked with the owners through the lockout. He handled the media well and was extremely well-liked by his peers.

    Through a baseball lens, Rogers is 31-years-old and coming off a finger injury that limited him to just 40 1/3 innings last season. He was sure to be traded at the deadline, but that came off the table when he hit the Injured List. Appearing in his first All-Star game, a neat experience in his home state of Colorado, Rogers posted a 3.35 ERA with a 13.2 K/9 and 1.8 BB/9. When healthy, he’s been among the best closers in baseball the past few seasons, and his 2.52 FIP tells the tale there.

    Somewhat of a footnote in this deal, Rooker goes to the Padres after being beaten out by Kyle Garlick for the final outfield spot. He shined in seven games for Minnesota during 2020, but the .688 OPS last season simply wasn’t going to play. When he was drafted 35th overall back in 2017, it was immediately known he would be a bat-only player. San Diego will put him in a corner outfield spot, but he’s incredibly stretched there. Although the power certainly plays, there’s a lot of swing and miss in his game as well. A fresh start could prove beneficial for him.

    Dealing Rogers the day before Minnesota takes the field may be risky, but the return absolutely justifies a move.
     
    Chris Paddack comes to Minnesota as a former darling rookie. He posted a 3.33 ERA across 26 games for the Padres in 2019. He averages 94 mph on his fastball, and outside of 2020, he’s posted strong FIP numbers. The 5.07 ERA in 2021 wasn’t pretty, but the peripherals suggest there’s more to unlock. Although his strikeout numbers have fallen a bit the past three seasons, he’s also lowered his walk and home run rates. There’s swing-and-miss stuff to be exploited here, and pitching coach Wes Johnson will immediately get to work on pushing those tweaks.

    Paddack is under team control through the 2024 season from a contractual standpoint. This alone may be the most significant boost for Minnesota. At just 26-years-old, the Twins can mold Paddack throughout the next three seasons and hope to push his stuff towards the top-end of their rotation. He would join Kenta Maeda, Joe Ryan, and Bailey Ober as arms already locked in for next season. Making just $2.25 million through arbitration this year, Paddack’s expense is minimal.
     
    Joining Paddack and adding back into the Twins pen is Emilio Pagan, who will be with his fifth team in six big league seasons. Last year, his 63 1/3 innings with San Diego was nearly career-high, but it came with a career-worst 2.3 HR/9 and a 4.83 ERA. Pagan’s 5.22 FIP suggests he was actually worse than the surface numbers, but just two seasons ago, the Tampa Bay Rays had him looking like one of the best pen arms in the game. Under team control next season, Minnesota can opt to keep him around for another year.

    The addition of Paddack obviously shuffles the rotation. As it was currently constructed, Ryan was set to be followed by Sonny Gray, Bailey Ober, Dylan Bundy, and Chris Archer. Paddack will need to slot in somewhere, and the most likely candidate to be bumped in my mind is Ober. He could go to a long relief role out of the bullpen until the point in which a starter begins to struggle. Bundy may be the lowest ceiling talent of the group, but given he was signed as a starter for $5 million early in the offseason, I’m not sure he’s the guy that would get moved around.
     
    A ripple effect of this situation is what happens with Josh Winder. He looks to have made the big league roster but was already going to be pitching out of the bullpen in a long relief role. Now with Ober in that mix, too, there are a lot of innings needed to keep starting arms fresh, and the hope is that there’s only so many to go around.

    Obviously, Pagan will slot in somewhere during the middle innings. He’s not a back-end option for Minnesota at this point. Replacing Rogers will be some combination of Tyler Duffey, Jorge Alcala, and Jhoan Duran. With Duran’s stuff playing so well this spring, it seemed sensible to use him immediately in relief rather than continuing to develop him as a starter. He now may be the frontrunner for the closer role if Rocco Baldelli and Johnson opt to keep Duffey and Alcala in their previously established late-inning spots. It would be a big ask for the young prospect, but the reality here is that Minnesota appears intent on developing their pen arms and not paying handsomely in relief. That’s certainly a viable strategy when you’ve seemingly made it work with a handful of guys.
     
    When viewing this from the top, the Twins now pay less for three years of a starter with upside and a reliever who has been very good than they did for a closer coming off an injury and slated for free agency with a bat tossed in. It’s hard not to see this as a win for Minnesota, and while the volatility of relief arms remains immense, betting on the horses you have is definitely not a bad stance.
     
    Time to play ball.

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    25 minutes ago, PatPfund said:

    And I'm sure most of us would be happier if Rogers and Rooker had gone to the Dodgers for Walker Buehler.

    Yes , but Buehler has a record, getting busted taking a non-permissive day off at Wrigley. Never should have caught that foul. Somebody like that a couple of low A suspects should get it done.

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    19 minutes ago, DocBauer said:

     

    While I dont want to be a hypocrit by doing something I always state can't be done fairly, with everything that has taken place, I just can't help look back and wonder why we didn't just keep homegrown and super reliable Berrios for 7yrs and then trade for Gray. Wouldn't that be a better 1-2 punch? 

     

    No way the Twins were going to go 7 years on Berrios. That's why he was traded. I do wish the Twins had signed Rodon for what SF gave him, or even Greinke on the Royals' salary. 

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    It will be interesting to see how the first couple of times through the rotation plays out. I'm somewhat expecting Ryan, Ober, Gray, Bundy, Archer, Paddack, and Winder to each throw 4-5 innings a couple of times. My hope is that when the roster size goes back down, the team settles on the 5 guys who have pitched the best and don't give Bundy/Archer a starter slot by default.

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    11 minutes ago, twins_89 said:

    It will be interesting to see how the first couple of times through the rotation plays out. I'm somewhat expecting Ryan, Ober, Gray, Bundy, Archer, Paddack, and Winder to each throw 4-5 innings a couple of times. My hope is that when the roster size goes back down, the team settles on the 5 guys who have pitched the best and don't give Bundy/Archer a starter slot by default.

    Exactly This!

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    2 hours ago, Harrison Greeley III said:

    Let's not forget Josh Donaldson, the biggest foreign substance whistleblower, is out of the clubhouse too. If the Twins pitching staff bounces back and the Yankees pitching declines in 2022.... well that'd be a fun coincidence. 

    I doubt it.

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    3 hours ago, ashbury said:

    I'll summarize my 3 concerns in assessing the trade:

    1) Paddack has a low-grade tear of his UCL.  Hope the Twins scrutinized the medicals.

    2) Pagan has benefited his entire career from home parks that skew strongly toward the pitcher.

    3) The union's rep and the assistant rep (Rogers and Garver) both are gone via trade, post-lockout.  Things that make you go hmmmm.

    the low-grade tear of his UCL and the dip in his performance the last couple of seasons is a big red flag in my opinion.  I don't know about the whole Union rep thing but hey whatever, it's not like these guys are making 10 bucks an hour and are fighting for .25 cent increases. 

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    3 hours ago, ashbury said:

    3) The union's rep and the assistant rep (Rogers and Garver) both are gone via trade, post-lockout.  Things that make you go hmmmm.

    They were also two of the team's oldest healthy players, with Thielbar the only one older. Would seem to me the most logical correlation is that the Twins are  in position to move the older players.

    I don't think they deal with Scott Boras on Buxton AND Correa deals if they're union bustin'.

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    17 minutes ago, nicksaviking said:

    They were also two of the team's oldest healthy players, with Thielbar the only one older. Would seem to me the most logical correlation is that the Twins are  in position to move the older players.

    I don't think they deal with Scott Boras on Buxton AND Correa deals if they're union bustin'.

    My thoughts exactly.  I mean the Correa deal is evidence enough.  I mean sheesh they just signed the guy to a 105.3 million dollar deal!  That's not exactly small potatoes. 

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    I notice that the Twins now have Ober as one of four players featured on their Twitter banner. (alongside Buxton, Correa, and Sano). I'm not sure if that means they see him as one of the franchise's biggest rising stars (thus unlikely to be relegated to a relieving role), or if they just put him on there because they figured he was one of the least likely players to get traded, saving them the trouble of creating a new banner.

    It's also highly possible that they pretty much let the graphic design/social media teams do whatever they want, and it means nothing.

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    3 hours ago, Unwinder said:

    Looking at comments on some Padres sites, it looks like they're more negative on this trade than we are over here, so I guess by that metric we've come out on top.

    I love looking at other team's sites during trades like this also.  To me this trade seems like both teams can potentially claim a W depending on how the next couple years shake out.

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    The Twins probably win this deal over the three years. Under control starting pitching comes at a premium and the cost of one year of Rogers and a limited corner OF prospect already 27 is often not enough.

    However they have invested in one year of an elite shortstop. Shouldn’t they do the opposite and go all in for 2022? I would. This move is not an all in move. Overpaying for Montas is all in. Sending prospects for one year of Bassitt or Manaea is all in.

    I would not have extended Rogers into his decline phase. The 2023 year is better with Passaic. Moving Correa at the deadline adds to the 2023 outlook.

    Acknowledging all of that I still would have gone all in while I had Correa. That didn’t happen. The outlook for 2022 is not as hopeful as it was yesterday. I  am disappointed.

     

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    24 minutes ago, Unwinder said:

    I notice that the Twins now have Ober as one of four players featured on their Twitter banner. (alongside Buxton, Correa, and Sano). I'm not sure if that means they see him as one of the franchise's biggest rising stars (thus unlikely to be relegated to a relieving role), or if they just put him on there because they figured he was one of the least likely players to get traded, saving them the trouble of creating a new banner.

    It's also highly possible that they pretty much let the graphic design/social media teams do whatever they want, and it means nothing.

    It was Photobombing I'm sure

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    I love that we got rid of Rooker. However, I don't see how parting with Rodgers is a good idea. Especially when our bullpen needs just as much help as our rotation. In my mind it is like trading sonny gray for a meh reliever. i don't think it is the worst thing ever but it isn't my favorite transaction of the off season.

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    So with PTBNL is that ultimately decided by how the players do for their respective teams.  If Rogers is lights out and Paddack stinks do they get a better guy.  Or if Rogers sucks and Paddack performs well do they get a lesser guy?  Is that how these deals work?  Asking for a friend.

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    7 minutes ago, Dman said:

    So with PTBNL is that ultimately decided by how the players do for their respective teams.  If Rogers is lights out and Paddack stinks do they get a better guy.  Or if Rogers sucks and Paddack performs well do they get a lesser guy?  Is that how these deals work?  Asking for a friend.

    I looked it up earlier because I was curious too, the Twins have presumably already picked out a list of players they might be interested in, and the Padres have already approved all the names on that list. When the Twins want to cash in (generally after the season at hand) they can choose any of the players on the list. Teams choose to trade for a PTBNL when they don't have an immediate need that the other team can fill, and want to wait and see what they end up needing later.

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    3 hours ago, ashbury said:

    Well, not quite sub-3, but in the low 3's.  That's exactly what I want, a player who wilts just as the playoff season approaches! :)

    Or we could have had Rogers that more than wilted.  He went to th IR.  How many playoff wins has Rogers been evolved in again?

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    1 minute ago, Unwinder said:

    I looked it up earlier because I was curious too, the Twins have presumably already picked out a list of players they might be interested in, and the Padres have already approved all the names on that list. When the Twins want to cash in (generally after the season at hand) they can choose any of the players on the list. Teams choose to trade for a PTBNL when they don't have an immediate need that the other team can fill, and want to wait and see what they end up needing later.

    Thank you that makes sense!!  They get to watch the players they agreed to and then they grab the one that looks most likely to make it or fits best.  I knew there had to be something to it, just couldn't figure out why a team would wait for a player.  So since PTBNL are not a named player I assume it is most likely a C prospect type throw in.

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    4 hours ago, ashbury said:

    I'll summarize my 3 concerns in assessing the trade:

    1) Paddack has a low-grade tear of his UCL.  Hope the Twins scrutinized the medicals.

    2) Pagan has benefited his entire career from home parks that skew strongly toward the pitcher.

    3) The union's rep and the assistant rep (Rogers and Garver) both are gone via trade, post-lockout.  Things that make you go hmmmm.

    1. I'm sure the Twins have scrutinized his medical.  Let's not forget Rogers injury seamed worse as he did shut it down.

    2. Pagan also benefits from good coaching.

    3.Both of these players were aging and hurt last year.  A new union rep and assistant rep will be appointed and do there respective jobs as well as the previous ones.

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    30 minutes ago, Dman said:

    Thank you that makes sense!!  They get to watch the players they agreed to and then they grab the one that looks most likely to make it or fits best.  I knew there had to be something to it, just couldn't figure out why a team would wait for a player.  So since PTBNL are not a named player I assume it is most likely a C prospect type throw in.

    Sometimes it also works like this: the Twins trade Dave Hollins to the Mariners for David Arias, who later becomes David Ortiz.

     

    He was...wait for it...a player...to be named later.

     

    https://www.google.com/amp/s/www.cbssports.com/mlb/news/on-this-date-20-years-ago-david-ortiz-was-a-player-to-be-named-later-in-a-trade/amp/

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    5 hours ago, yeahyabetcha said:

    Or it could mean that they wanted to trade Rogers because he was in the last year of his contract and they probably were not going to resign him.

    And that they felt that Garver was going to have to get moved from catcher to stay healthy.

    And they were able to get pieces in return that they liked.

     

    It also just means that two other players will become the union rep and assistant rep.  Nothing will change in that respect.

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    1 hour ago, Unwinder said:

    I notice that the Twins now have Ober as one of four players featured on their Twitter banner. (alongside Buxton, Correa, and Sano). I'm not sure if that means they see him as one of the franchise's biggest rising stars (thus unlikely to be relegated to a relieving role), or if they just put him on there because they figured he was one of the least likely players to get traded, saving them the trouble of creating a new banner.

    It's also highly possible that they pretty much let the graphic design/social media teams do whatever they want, and it means nothing.

    If they’re paying for those banners by the letter, Ober is the obvious choice.

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    3 hours ago, nicksaviking said:

    They were also two of the team's oldest healthy players, with Thielbar the only one older. Would seem to me the most logical correlation is that the Twins are  in position to move the older players.

    I don't think they deal with Scott Boras on Buxton AND Correa deals if they're union bustin'.

    Oh, for sure, and I kept the mention brief, because I really didn't want to derail the thread with this tangent but still felt it was at least an angle that hadn't been mentioned.

    Without any data on hand to back it up, I'll guess that most union reps are relatively senior players and thus the type who teams might consider dealing away.

    It's more the timing than anything.   And indeed, Boras would be someone I'd love to ask the awkward question to, and get reassured that if anyone would be on the lookout for red flags, it would be him, and he saw nothing in the timing that bothered him.

    It honestly and for truly was just an observation.  One of those co-winky-dinkies.

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    2 hours ago, jorgenswest said:

    The Twins probably win this deal over the three years. Under control starting pitching comes at a premium and the cost of one year of Rogers and a limited corner OF prospect already 27 is often not enough.

    However they have invested in one year of an elite shortstop. Shouldn’t they do the opposite and go all in for 2022? I would. This move is not an all in move. Overpaying for Montas is all in. Sending prospects for one year of Bassitt or Manaea is all in.

    I would not have extended Rogers into his decline phase. The 2023 year is better with Passaic. Moving Correa at the deadline adds to the 2023 outlook.

    Acknowledging all of that I still would have gone all in while I had Correa. That didn’t happen. The outlook for 2022 is not as hopeful as it was yesterday. I  am disappointed.

     

    I'd argue that the distance between Rogers and Pagan is more narrow than Paddack and the Twins 6th best starting pitcher.  In that sense this is as much about 2022, as it is about maximizing control and assets.  Clearly the Twins believe in their pitching pipeline; and even if that doesn't bare fruit early this season, they can add to the bullpen at he deadline.  The Twins are competing this season, but, as they should, maximize assets, even at short term risk.

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    3 hours ago, dex8425 said:

    No way the Twins were going to go 7 years on Berrios. That's why he was traded. I do wish the Twins had signed Rodon for what SF gave him, or even Greinke on the Royals' salary. 

    And I'm not going to disagree with you. And I can certainly understand our FO not wanting to make a 7yr commitment to a SP. There is a sound logic behind their reasoning. But they were willing to go 7yrs for Buxton, for a lower yearly guarantee, but more per if and as he hits incentives. Now, a healthy Buxton is amongst to top 5% of players in all of MLB to be sure. But if there was ever a time to make an extended deal with a SP, Berrios should have been that arm. He was only 27yo at the time of the trade, a model of consistency and health and work ethic. And he has remaining upside yet. I think a strong argument could be made he ranks in the top 25% of SP in MLB when you take all of that in to account. I know opinions vary. 

    And I'm not trying to hijack the thread by any means, but I think the context of my thoughts do address this trade and the need for it.

    To take it a step further, even with the Berrios trade done and over, we needed SP, and there was money available for 2022, even with Donaldson on the books still. And I understand the FO was locked in on a Buxton extension last fall. But there was opportunity and finances available to make a solid, quality signing for 3-4yrs for a FA SP that wasn't necessarily a TOP FA that was as good as Paddack might be. And they could have/should have been able to multi-task the Buxton negotiations AND still jump on opportunity to add an arm before the lockout where we wouldn't have to have made this trade to begin with to add to the rotation at this point. And again, I hate using revisionist thinking, but this was all in play before the lockout, when the "hot stove" even began. So it's not just 20/20 hindsight viewing.

    I just think it behooves us to fully examine WHY this trade was necessary when there was real opportunity a couple months ago. And I'm NOT trying to be a downer about what we gained, and the potential of what we gained, or be a downer on the Eve of opening day, but I think a thorough examination of where we are and how we got there is more than fair for us as fans.

    I have largely been a big supporter of our FO for everything they've done on and off the field. But as much as I support them, like them, understand moves that have and have not worked out, I've always tried to be honest and fair in my evaluation of them. That being said, their offseason has turned out OK. But I re-state I think the FO have handled this offseason haphazardly, seemingly uncertain what direction they were going to take, and I'm optimistic this is a pretty good team with some potential, especially if a few things break right. But I do think they've missed some opportunities early that could have made this offseason even better.

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