4 Shortstop Options for the 2023 Twins

Keep Correa another season if he wants to be here, otherwise internal options until Royce is ready.  

I'm hoping Correa returns. It does seem likely that Correa will opt out of his contract. That, of course, would be a big loss. I would not be surprised if he chooses to return for another year though.

Jermaine Palacios plays a really good shortstop and he is improving with the bat. I'm in favor of the defense holding at shortstop. 

The external options are expensive with Trea Turner being the best option. There will be at least three teams willing to spend money for shortstops: Philadelphia, LA Dodgers, and Chicago Cubs. The question is how much and for how many years. Baseball has been retreating from long term expensive contracts. The Twins shouldn't be as worried about shortstop as they were last offseason.

On name in the internal options not mentioned is Spencer Steer.  He has played some over there, and assuming he is not the best defensive option, but has a lot of offense upside, if he can balance enough he could be a bridge until Lewis is ready next year.

I highly doubt we land a top FA SS.  Correa was an odd situation where for some reason no one was willing to give his asking price.  Now it is possible that teams will shy away from some of those deals as the big SS signings so far have not done great.  Seager and Seimien with Tex have OPS around .700.  Baez he is fielding fine, but he is hitting terrible for making 20 mil. Story had a hot stretch for like 2 weeks in May, outside of that he has been below replacement player earning 20 mil. Correa has been by far best of them all, and will most likely command the 300 mil he is looking for.  I doubt we pay it. 

Could we hope one of the other 3 top guys agree to something closer to what we want to pay, maybe, but only if last years crop scare off a few teams, which for the LA's and East Coast teams I doubt it will. 

I was shocked when Correa chose to sign with the Twins last spring.

That first shocking event has placed in motion a series of other events: a welcoming clubhouse, the Twins emerging as a first-place team, Correa's increasing value (.884 OPS in May, 1.611 so far in June), and now the tragic event--Royce Lewis' injury--and 12 months of rehab--the second time this has happened.

Other events could unfold in 2022: a pennant race, a postseason run, and a degree of success and team and organizational chemistry built upon that first shocking event. 

This is the window of opportunity. Events have traspired. The Twins have a sudden longer-term need for leadership and stability at the shortstop position. Carlos Correa fulfills that need. 

Signing Correa long-term would be an historic event. But it is logical, and makes good sense. I wouldn't be "shocked" if the Twins organization lets Correa slip away, but I would be disappointed. 

That first shocking event has made the eventual signing of Carlos Correa to a long term contract both logical and probable. It just makes sense. Sign the man. I will not be shocked if it happens. 

48 minutes ago, tony&rodney said:

I'm hoping Correa returns. It does seem likely that Correa will opt out of his contract. That, of course, would be a big loss. I would not be surprised if he chooses to return for another year though.

Jermaine Palacios plays a really good shortstop and he is improving with the bat. I'm in favor of the defense holding at shortstop. 

The external options are expensive with Trea Turner being the best option. There will be at least three teams willing to spend money for shortstops: Philadelphia, LA Dodgers, and Chicago Cubs. The question is how much and for how many years. Baseball has been retreating from long term expensive contracts. The Twins shouldn't be as worried about shortstop as they were last offseason.

One factor that might help us hold on to Correa is that the market was full last year and many teams now have expensive SS obligations.  That led to Correa going for our short term offer.  Five of the top `10 prospects on MLB.com are SS. Bogaerts, Turner, Andrus, Gregorius and Swanson are all potential free agents.  At some point the SS positions are filled and the big spenders are gone.  Correa could fall to us again.  

Find a unique way to extend Correa.  Tear up the remaining 2 years of his deal and give him a new one that does even more to get him to stay at least 1 more year.  I'm fine with Polacios/Gordon for the backup SS role next year.

Can't these articles wait until the offseason? Enjoy watching a first place team. Worry about next season later.

Obviously, Correa is everyone's first choice.  If he doesn't stay, I would give Palacios a shot for a year.  If Kirilloff is healthy--it looks like he is--the lineup will have enough punch with Buxton, Arraez, Polanco, Kirilloff, Miranda, Larnach, Urshela, Celestino, Kepler and maybe others coming up to allow Palacios to play even if he doesn't hit a ton, and I think he might do ok at the plate anyway.  Also, we have Steer in the mix that could also factor sometimes.  Even if the Twins end up trading one of the prospects for pitching, there will still be plenty of offense.  The question long term with Lewis is if he will still have the same athleticism after a second major surgery on the same knee.  I think he will, but it is not a slam dunk that he will.  I would stay away from free agent shortstops at this point.

Does anyone know the date of Correa's opt-out? Last day of season?

Palacios was suppose to be emergency SS at AAA, this year. If Correa moves on and Twins promote Palacios to fulltime SS for Twins, there is very little depth behind him. Steer played some SS at AA this year, not much at that level. Javier at A+ and 19 year old Miller at A. Will definitely need some additions, whether it is SS for Twins or depth at AAA and AA.

I don't see any way Correa is back next year short of a serious injury for him this year, or a collapse in the shortstop market. (Last year's market was warped by the extended lock out, which won't happen next year.)

Correa has done nothing but add to his value so far, and for his part he will need to sign the long term deal he wants/needs ASAP since year-to-year contracts as he starts to edge out of his prime years means he would likely lose a LOT of money 5-10 years from now.

Which is precisely why the Twins should NOT be the team that signs him to the long term deal. This isn't NY or Boston or LA or Chicago where there is a huge reservoir of TV money to cover the wasted back ends of these long deals, and the back ends ARE ALWAYS wasted money (or more rationally money paid over ten years for 5-7 years of prime output).

(Want a current example? Everybody is excited that Miguel Cabrera got his 3000th hit this season, and he's great for baseball and all, but... the Tigers over the past 5.33 seasons have paid him a total of $158 million for a combined WAR of -1.1. Just as his contract helped make the Tigers very good in the early days, it all but locked in their ongoing status as bottom feeders for the past half-decade. The Twins simply can't afford the 10 year, $300 million thing for a SS who would be in his late 30s at the end.)

Options 2 and 3 are the same thing. Play Palacios until Royce is ready, and use him to spell Royce after that. Gio would be an internal option as well if he is back, and if he hits enough to justify the drop in D; Miranda could play third. Gordon would need a lot of work before I'd want to see him everyday, but I'd give him that shot in Spring Training.

It would be amazing if Correa would stay another year. He has not been tearing it up like I feel he had hoped he would. I pray that encourages him to stay with Minnesota, for one more season. After that, turn things over to Lewis who showed he is more than capable of manning that position for years to come. I would not be too concerned with the knee issues. Everyone on this site during the pre-season said Arraez would do nothing because he has 'knee issues'.

Knees are a big deal, but I feel it is more about the person with the issues. Lewis is a tough kid and will work his butt off to get back. He will put in the work others wouldn't. The very same can be said about Arraez. That work is paying off for Arraez with the team inventing ways to get him into the lineup. The same will be true for Lewis, too.

If Correa does not wish to return and go for the money, then we need to pivot. If we can make a deal similar to his with one of those other top guys, then great. Otherwise, we will need to look in house and know that Lewis will be ready as soon as he can be. The Twins don't seem to have a problem continuing to wait each and every time Buxton is hurt. I think they can wait for Lewis, too.

2 hours ago, nicksaviking said:

With the Twins doing so well with the young pitchers and batters, and even more crushing it in the minors, the team really should be able to do the Quality over Quantity free agent bit for the foreseeable future. There shouldn't be a half dozen holes that can only be filled outside of the organization.

And with Lewis back on the shelf, even with all those young players, none of them appear imminently in need of one of the big money pre-arbitration extensions. I mean as much as I like Joe Ryan, he's not going to be a free agent until his age 32 season. I mean, you could do Arraez, but he'd likely just get a small bump from the Polanco/Kepler blueprint.

The Twins payroll should be naturally low for quite some time; Correa makes a lot of sense.

And because of this the Twins can go ahead and sign Correa to an 8 year 290 million contract extension.  They will have plenty of money in the budget for the first half of the contract and they shouldn’t have to juggle too much the 2nd half of it.  And if we can win the World Series so what

Finally, I really like our position at SS, we are pretty flexible, even with Lewis's injury. If we can work out a deal with CC fine, if not we can go with Palacio and Gordon until Lewis is 100%. I've always advocated Palacio, he plays a pretty good SS and his bat will eventually come around. I'm also a fan of bringing up Palacio to sub CC now, he also played a lot of utility while Lewis was in AAA, While up he'll learn a lot from CC

We NEED his defense; do not know how good the rookies are, or may be, but for two years we have had a third, ss, second base combo that has saved the Twins from being worse than they were last year and help be as good as they are this  year.

1 hour ago, Mike Sixel said:

While it isn't my first choice, it's not like Polanco can't play SS ... if they don't have another option next year.

Also, I get this site needs daily content, but I really don't get why we are talking about this in June...

And if it is to be talked about, might as well give us a few names mentioned in the Bridge Player FA section.  I was originally thinking 4 SS options was going to be specific names vs. the summary.  (IE - Correa, Swanson, Palacios, and ...Aledmys Diaz?)

Here is a list of the biggest contracts signed by the teams in the bottom half of revenue.  Nine of the 15 teams have signed a $150M plus deal with the largest being Stanton for 13/325.  The highest annual salary paid by Miami was $14.5M and they traded the year his salary was to increase to $25M.  The Dbacks traded Greinke after 3 years and they had to sub 500 seasons while they had him.  The Mariners were able to unload the horrible decision to sign Cano to a contract for 10/240.  Thatb was fortunate because it would be an anchor for them now.  Votto has been good but the Reds have been horrible with the exception of the first year of the extension.  Yehlich has been mediocre since signing his deal.  A couple were so disastrous (Davis / Cabrera) they could not be moved.  None of these $150M+ deals resulting in success for the team, at least not for the teams that originally signed them.

Orioles: Chris Davis – 7 years, $161MM.  Signed 1-21-16.
Athletics: Eric Chavez – 6 years, $66MM.  Signed 3-18-04.
Brewers: Christian Yelich – 7 years, $188.5MM.  Signed 3-6-2020.
Diamondbacks: Zack Greinke – 6 years, $206.5MM.  Signed 12-8-15.
Indians: Edwin Encarnacion – 3 years, $60MM.  Signed 1-7-17.
Mariners:  Robinson Cano – 10 years, $240MM.  Signed 12-12-13.
Marlins:  Giancarlo Stanton – 13 years, $325MM.  Signed 11-18-14.
Pirates: Jason Kendall – 6 years, $60MM.  Signed 11-18-00.
Rays: Evan Longoria – 6 years, $100MM ( plus three club options for another $30MM).  Signed 11-26-12.
Reds: Joey Votto – 10 years, $225MM.  Signed 4-2-12.
Rockies: Nolan Arenado – 7 years, $234MM.  Signed 2-26-19.
Royals: Alex Gordon – 4 years, $72MM.  Signed 1-6-16.
Tigers:  Miguel Cabrera – 8 years, $248MM.  Signed 3-31-14.
Twins: Joe Mauer – 8 years, $184MM.  Signed 3-21-10.
White Sox: Yasmani Grandal – 4 years, $73MM. Signed 11-21-19.
 

I never had any personal dislike for Correa, even with the Houston scandal. But I've become a huge fan. He is an absolute joy to watch in the field! He makes almost every other SS look mediocre. The bat is good. The work ethic and clubhouse attitude is excellent. He seems to bring a real professionalism and leadership. I would enjoy him being a Twin for some time. And with all his tools, I can see him being a real asset until 32-33yo or so.

But even if the market is flooded a bit and down a bit and he would have to "settle" for 8yrs and $30M per, we're still talking $240M minimum and $30M per while he's 35yo. Now, you might be able to front load that deal for the first few years while such of the roster is young and cost controlled. That's the only way I see Correa sticking around. I'm just being realistic.

Palacios will never be a great hitter. But last season and this one he's turned a corner and showed that some of the early potential he showed when first signed is real. He can hit and run a bit and has a little pop. The glove is legit. I'd probably run with him, probably give him some competition on a 1yr option with someone, and let it ride. I've got Gordon, Urshela, and Steer to all provide some back up.

But it's only June, the Twins are having a fine and and fun season, so I'm going to enjoy them and Correa and not worry too much about 2023 at this point.

8 hours ago, Squirrel said:

Sign Correa long term, move Royce to another position. In the SSS this year, it seemed pretty clear that Royce was the third best SS behind both Correa and Palacios

I like this. Sign Correa long term. I like it. 

No way do I sign him long term. However I would go to him an extra $10 million if he opts in for next year. Consider it a penalty for the dumb decision you made with Lewis. 

I believe that the Twins will sign Correa t a long term contract and that they can’t afford not to. It’s similar in importance for them to sign Correa to a long term contract as it was with Buxton last offseason.

Correa is a franchise player. For those of us who remember, it would be akin to letting Lyman Bostock walk after the 1977 season.

Correa likes it here and has expressed an openness to negotiate a long term contract with the Twins. They Twins must extend him and in doing so, they will have a vastly greater chance of winning playoff games and advancing to the World Series and winning it.