3 Trade Packages for the Twins to Consider

I doubt Pit would take that package for Bednar but if they would he should be flying back from LA to MIN.

I like the Pittsburgh trade best as it gets us a starter and a reliever in one trade. 

Ya those first two are the most unrealistic trade scenarios I’ve seen!!! That’s way too much for a year and a half of montas who is barely healthy right now… and not near enough for Pittsburgh to accept for Bednard.

Any trade for a major league known quantity for unknown minor league prospects is worth making

I like to see twins go after Noah syndergaard 

Definitely would not do that trade for Montas.  Berrios had a much longer track record than Montas at this time last year, with the same amount of remaining control, and did not require that level of package to get from a team that ostensibly was going to try and compete the following year.  18 seasons of team control in exchange for 1.5 seasons seems like not a great deal, especially considering the bullpen is much more of an issue than the rotation. 

Three thoughts.  First, with Montas, it all depends on how he does in his next two outings to make sure his shoulder is fine.  If it is, I would do that trade but I don't think it is enough.  Remember, Martin was a top 10 guy in MLB at the time of the trade and SWR was highly rated as well.  I think they would want more, especially given the paucity of starting pitching available.  Second, Pittsburg will also want much more for Bednar given the years of control.  I am not keen on Quintana as I think if we add a starting pitcher it needs to be a difference maker like Castillo or Montas.  Quintana doesn't move the needle much at all.  Finally, I would take Bard in a heartbeat and I don't think the cost would be very high given he is on an expiring contract.

7 hours ago, ToriiRules!! said:

Ya those first two are the most unrealistic trade scenarios I’ve seen!!! That’s way too much for a year and a half of montas who is barely healthy right now… and not near enough for Pittsburgh to accept for Bednard.

Actually, getting Montas without giving up one (or more) of Larnach, Kiriloff, Miranda or Balazovic is a steal.    Doubt the A's would bite though.

9 hours ago, Cap'n Piranha said:

Definitely would not do that trade for Montas.  Berrios had a much longer track record than Montas at this time last year, with the same amount of remaining control, and did not require that level of package to get from a team that ostensibly was going to try and compete the following year.  18 seasons of team control in exchange for 1.5 seasons seems like not a great deal, especially considering the bullpen is much more of an issue than the rotation. 

And Berrios was healthy.  I could see Speer and one of the others but only if Montas is deemed healthy by someone other than Falvine looking at the medicals the Giants, er, sorry, the Athletics provide.  Also, is Montas domestically docile?  Only asking because it would be nice if someone, anyone, asked that question when acquiring a player.

Okay, I'm a little jaded from other times Falvey has tried to add help.

First off trade values include subjective grades on an imperfect science/ It does not legitimize anything 

Trade for Montas only makes sense if the pitchers are all future relievers. That is a pessimistic view on things Maybe the prospect sites don’t like Steer. Unbanked and in AAA. Low trade value

Trade value people have a value for Bednar, so does the Pirates. Guess which one is more accurate for assessing if a trade is accurate

By history of trades for relievers like Bard Cruz and a lottery ticket would be enough

I do the Montas trade to get us an Ace to lead the rotation.  Montas is a superior pitcher to Berrios.  Remember, we were always "waiting" for Berrios to break out and be that #1 and he never quite made it.  He was good but not great.  Montas has been great for 3 years running.  He has arrived as an Ace.  I would try to add A.J. Puk to the deal to further fortify our BP.  Puk is finally healthy, is very affordable according to BBTV's and is left-handed.  I give a little more to have him added. 

I too think we'd need to give up more in the Bednar/Quintana deal and I'm not comfortable stretching THAT much for those two.  But I WOULD do the Bard deal.  So if you added Montas, Puk and Bard, then Alcala as well and subtracted 4 arms that have been underperforming you would have a much better pitching staff going forward in the 2nd half.  

And I think the Twins NEED to do something like these two deals or Cleveland or Chicago could very well pass us up and we'd be on the outside looking in at the playoffs.  We had a chance to really put our boot on the necks of the White Sox and Guardians and our BP let us down.  Multiple times.  We're in for a real dogfight in the second half of the season.  

P.S.  Buxton should have been All Star Game MVP.  He had the "Game Winning Hit."  If what he did and Stanton did was reversed, I'm still not sure Buxton overcomes the East Coast Bias and wins it.  But he should have.  

I honestly don’t think they should make any trade that is solely about 2022. They don’t have it this year. That has become really clear. Why sell off any long term assets, especially if they aren’t at peak value, just to squeak into the playoffs. I personally think they should go the other route and see if Correa would accept a trade anywhere. I don’t think the true contention window is open. Why does another first round flame out matter?

It would be hard to find a national writer that sees the Twins as favorites to win the World Series in 2022. A number of comments on Twins Daily have referenced the same basic idea as a means suggesting that Falvey hold his prospects or be very judicious if any trades are made at all. There have been a number of suggestions to trade Kepler and several mentioning Polanco too. A continual trend among many on TD refers to a window and the future. Every comment is our opinion naturally ...

.... My take - the Twins are in first place which is a goal for many teams and their fans. The Twins have a number of players in their prime and support from emerging young players as well as some solid role guys. This may be the Twins best shot for years. Next year baseball will introduce a balanced schedule and you can count on all of Kansas City, Detroit, and Cleveland to be better. If not now, it is maybe never. Thus, it makes sense to make an attempt now. It may not be possible to get the help wanted for the pitching staff using prospects because other teams may not have any interest, but Falvey needs to throw out a pile of querries. It doesn't make any sense to trade from the MLB roster (I include Lewis), unless we are talking about pitchers we seek to replace with additions via trade, because the loss of regulars just weakens the team. I am in favor of a couple of trades for pitchers.

1 hour ago, Rcrose29 said:

I honestly don’t think they should make any trade that is solely about 2022. They don’t have it this year. That has become really clear. Why sell off any long term assets, especially if they aren’t at peak value, just to squeak into the playoffs. I personally think they should go the other route and see if Correa would accept a trade anywhere. I don’t think the true contention window is open. Why does another first round flame out matter?

Selling off one of your clubhouse leaders when you're currently in first place is a great way to lose the locker room. Giving up on your players makes it very difficult to keep them come free agent time.

I like the Montas & Bard trade best, they are very doable and needed. Contreras & Robertson (Cubs) trade would be interesting.

2 hours ago, Doctor Gast said:

I like the Montas & Bard trade best, they are very doable and needed. Contreras & Robertson (Cubs) trade would be interesting.

Does it matter that Montas might be injured and potentially useless for the next 1.5 years?  I mean, it mattered to me when they traded for Paddack, which is why I didn't like the trade.

It doesnt work to trade future critical pieces for aged pieces that may only help for this year. 

17 hours ago, twinstalker said:

Does it matter that Montas might be injured and potentially useless for the next 1.5 years?  I mean, it mattered to me when they traded for Paddack, which is why I didn't like the trade.

I was totally against the Paddack trade from the beginning. Paddack had elbow problems for awhile was advised to have tommy john but he opt out for a stem cell treatment. SD tried to push him off on NYM but they looked at him & said no. Montas has only a mild sore shoulder. Of course we can't take their word for it like SD. Montas should be fine but he needs to be looked at carefully. With the minor arm problem we could get some kind of discount. We have time to wait for him to get 100% if indeed it's minor