mnfireman

Ryan is under control through 2027, the season during which he turns 31. No need to lock him up, the Twins are getting his best years at a cost control rate.

Now there is a novel idea. Let's ask somebody not even in the organization, a player no less, who we are years and millions apart in negotiations with, tell us how to run our team. More than likely the trade talks fell apart because the team no longer wanted to part with Arraez after not signing Correa. Or the Twins may have pivoted to Rogers, Luzardo or Cabrera, who are under team control longer, and the asking price got really big. We, as fans, do not know why the talks stalled, but the talks could also pick up at any time.

This... Last years physical may have showed nothing, but after last season and a few incidents like this, maybe something showed different. Wear and tear happens with mileage....

https://www.mlbtraderumors.com/2022/12/willians-astudillo-signs-with-npbs-fukuoka-softbank-hawks.html

This....

They signed Vazquez (a better signing than Contreras IMO) and they were tied to both Rodon and Swanson. Which of those contracts did you want them to best?? I don't think either ages well. Spending money just to spend money is foolish.

It used to be.....

I think the FO is counting on three of Miranda, Lewis, Lee, Martin, Julien, and Miller to develop and cover 2B, 3B and SS over the next 6-10 years. Until a salary cap is put in place, this is how it will have to be done.

They were bidding against themselves at that point. After the Giants offer, going to $300 MM makes no sense. The Mets knew what the Twins offer was, so they went $315MM. Going to $300 MM still wouldn't get it done, if Boras even called them for an offer. The Mets, being the Mets, would have just beat that offer anyway. Spin it anyway you want, this was a Lose-Lose situation for the Twins.

$28.5 MM/yr is not skimping. And paying a guy for years he won't even be playing, years 11-13, is lunacy. Devers and Machado are going to be real expensive next year. Especially Devers, as he will only be 27 when FA begins.

https://www.mlbtraderumors.com/2022/12/scott-boras-comments-on-carlos-correa-situation.html

In light of the recent Correa circus, the Cubs officially announced the signing today.

Maybe the Twins made a lower offer (not going to call it a low-ball offer), knowing they would get out-bid by a bigger market, because they already had his medicals. I wouldn't think it would be a banned substance as he knew he would be taking a physical for whichever team he signed with.

I think other TD posters will disagree with you.... ?‍♂️

IF they need to sign a SP, which I don't think they need to, I would look at Kluber, Cueto or Wacha for 1 year over Eovaldi.

The Judge offer was supposedly 14/$400, to keep the AAV (luxury tax) down. I understand that Correa is two and half years younger than Judge, but this is what SF did, 13/$350, and MLB allowed it. Sounds like MLB wants their stars in the bigger markets, sorry SD, but NY is a bigger market and Judge is the face of the franchise.

Thank you Mr. Goins for coming on here and sharing your insight and experience. But once again, TD posters still have to come on here and rail the FO for being cheap, not adapting and generally whining that the off-season, the upcoming season, and all future seasons are total losses. Gloom and doom abounds in Twins Territory (maybe I'll change my screen name to this!).

You're the one comfortable with overpaying as long you get what you want, I'm just willing to give the extra years to pay it off...

Underwhelming offer??' $28.5 MM/yr would be second highest AAV among this years FA, 17th overall among MLB players. $285 MM would have been the 3rd highest overall value among this years FA, but only 13th overall among MLB players. You're right, I can see where that was an underwhelming offer. The Twins offered more in AAV over 10 years (insane amount of years by the way) but are still being dogged by the fanbase for an "underwhelming offer." They were used to get more years and money. I want your number so I can sell you my house instead of taking an "underwhelming offer." I'll sell it to you for more money, but I'll give you more years to pay it off.

For starters, 13/$350 is not the right cost. It is what the market played out to be, which was too high, in my opinion. I am all for trading Arraez in the right deal, very unpopular on here right now. The team has 4 corner OF's that bat LH, include 1 in a deal that brings a good return. Do not trade just get rid of 1 because there are too many (no such thing). I do not think that Farmer should be the opening day SS, but I also do not want the team to panic and overpay or rush a prospect because they didn't get Correa. I don't think the team should sign Rodon as I don't think a 7 year contract ends well and I think the prospects (pipeline if you will) are coming. However, if they do sign him, one or two of these prospects brings back value in a trade. I think Fulmer is better $$$ spent than Robertson if they decide to sign a FA RP. Also there are plenty of in-house options to build a BP. Teams like the Twins are always going to have to develop most of their own players. The caveat to this is that players don't always develop as hoped and stop-gaps will need to be signed until the next prospect hopefully develops. This is what Falvey and Levine have done their whole careers, and how the Twins have run for generations. Expecting a change is unrealistic and, highly doubtful.

I am all about adding the right players at the right cost, not spending $$$ just to spend $$$. Too many TD posters come on here to rant about their hatred for the FO and play fantasy GM for a day, but forget that they're not dealing with their drunk buddy in a fantasy league or have tweaked the settings on their MLB the Show video game so that teams and players accept their unrealistic offers. Social media fuels this by constantly updating bits and pieces of offers and the teams involved, getting fan bases to act like spoiled children who have had their favorite toy taken away when their favorite team loses out on a player. This year more than any other has showed that the players and agents are using teams to get their biggest offer, and the Twins have been one of those teams that has been used.

As a hitter, yes, Contreras has the advantage. But 5/$87, no thank you, Vazquez will do just fine. Haniger is a west coast native and seemed pretty intent on staying there, but yes, 3/$43.5 seems reasonable for him. But, like Buxton, he has a history of injuries and would do the team no good on the IL. Robertson will be 38 shortly after opening day, he could fall of the proverbial cliff very quickly. At 1/$10 his role is already covered by younger players under longer team control.

Remember, Rodon is also represented by Boras.....

I think I would rather see Andrus or Iglesias for one season (not a fan of either).

Yeah, sorry about that.....???