TwinsDr2021

The Twins need to give the 5th spot to Winder, Varland or SWR. That would be three years in a row a rookie would be inserted into the rotation. Ober, Ryan, ? , Maybe a 2nd one steps up a forces the FO hand. That is how you build a pipeline, Then have another ready for 24 (Prieline, SWR?, Raya, Festa, Medina) somebody. then you look trade off Ober for prospects, then Ryan, and on and on. That way you can spend big money on offense and if some stud pitcher becomes available to help, you have the prospects to trade for them to make a run. Or one of those prospects that steps up on the pitching side is young enough (Not Ober, Ryan, Winder, Varland) you extend them for big money. So if you get something decent for Maeda now, trade him, not so sure on Gray just yet, maybe mid season type of deal.

This is exactly what I was thinking, way would a team want an inferior player (if you think Gallo is better than Kepler) and have to pay prospect capital for it? It makes no sense, so I am thinking it will be somebody else that is traded (Larnach or Arraez). Gallo could play 1B, DH, RF and CF. I really don't know because I don't get this signing at all.

And the proof of that is the Twins record the last 5 years, oh wait.....

Maybe they should have, or maybe they wanted SF to pay him 22 in a prove it year, so they could pay him 30 for 6 years, or maybe offer him less than somebody else and say they were in on him.

100% agree you can't live in fear and yet everybody wants to sign Rodon. I am just sick of waiting for the next prospect to come save the day, how long has it been since that has happened? You have the money know sign a stud and see what happens with the prospects and figure it out when they actually force their way onto the team.

I would add there is no guarantee either of them will become everyday MLB players. One has had 194 at bats since the Arizona fall league in 2019 and had two majors knee surgeries and the other one has had 139 total minor league at bats. These are the two that people want to base the future of the Twins on, neither are really expected to have much if any impact in 23 so maybe 24? What if it takes a little longer than to be better than adequate?

I would trade some low prospects for Sale, if healthy he would be the Twins best pitcher, No way I giving them anything of value.

I put no, because I would rather have seen the Twins make an offer of 9/330, the $20 short is easily explainable in taxes and the ability to make more than that in 4 extra years.

So based on Gausman (5/110) and Ray (5/115) last year, they probably could have gotten Rodon for 5/130ish, and now it's going to cost 30 million plus for 6 years. Seems like another win by the front office. Now I don't believe they will sign him and why would they when they have Gray, Mahle, Ryan, Ober and actual decent prospects close who are by no means young except SWR. That top 4 if healthy should be more than enough to compete in the division, the offense on the other hand is IMO no where near good enough to complete for anything. (Unless of course, the injury prone players don't get injured and the a few guys that we have been waiting for to actually be good; turn out to be good and Polanco and Kepler are close to the top of their game and I don't see Swanson solving any of those offensive issues) But hey we signed a platoon catcher so that problem is solved.

Well they have won 78, 101, 36, 73, and 78 games in the last 5 years, and in the two years they made the playoffs didn't win a game the other year was a 60 game schedule, and 23 doesn't look like a better than .500 team. They got played by Correa, thus possibly keeping them out of other free agents, and now there is talk of paying Rodon more than if they would have just signed him last year, and how has the attendance been trending at Target field? So sure failure my be too strong, but on the other hand....

Isn't that kind of the point, how long has this FO been here and staring at a 4th bad year in 6 years, and one of the good ones was the short sprint Covid. Hey if there would have been a big enough COVID outbreak and they shut the year down after 60 games they would have been in the playoffs last year as well.

I was wrong on a plan that would be higher than zero. ;)

Mike read the question being asked? I gave an answer, it is the only legit thing they could do to bring in more fans in 23 IMO. Chances of it happening are zero, but there might not be any answer that is higher than zero. Unless they plan on trading Lee and Lewis for some super star(s), I don't think it will be hard to get a ticket to games in 23.

How about the FO admitting they failed and lower ticket prices and running another get to know them campaign?

If you are fine with another year like the last two, then by all means run Farmer out there everyday. If you hated the last two years and are sick and tired of this FO and the excuses they have for everything then no I am not fine with running Farmer out there for half the season and hoping with both hands fingers crossed that Lewis or Lee is the savior to all the Twins problems and that every other player that has been injury prone is no longer. Also the Twins have the money to spend now and we should be worried about them spending that in the future?

Yea, the Twins signed a 32 year old platoon catcher, call me underwhelmed. Is he a nice piece to he puzzle? yes absolutely, without anybody else added does he change the current team, nope.

If this is your belief this front office should be fired. We weren't promised a rebuild this far into their tenure we were promised sustained success. So after two terrible years under .500 and another one to two, good luck getting butts in the seats at target field next year. I will add this unless they figure out how to get on streaming they are going to end up like the wolves were people have given up being invested and cheer for them to be bad. (Not me but I know many people that actively cheer against the Wolves and I am starting to hear similiar jokes being said about the Twins)

These seems like a terrible contract for the Mets. 20 million and 8 years for a 30 year old? How do his stats get him to a WAR of 5? Zero all star games and never a vote for MVP. I don't get it.

My favorite kind of post, pass on a star because the next prospect will be great. star may get hurt, star may cost too much.Talk about trading the Twins scraps for an Stud pitcher. Sell hope for a future that is never there because because next year a different star will be too much money and the next prospect will save the day. Complain the Twins don't spend enough money, rinse/repeat. Correa turned 28 in September if he will sign here for 8 years you sign him end of story. Lewis will be 24 by the time he might be ready to come back. Correa had over 20 WAR by that age and close to that since.

If the Twins can convince him to sign here and pitch in the bullpen it seems like a pretty good signing. If the Twins sign him to be a starter then just fire the FO. In his last 6 games he pitched an amazing 26 innings and the 6 games before that 27. 1/3. Lets compare Archer to him in his last 12 games (49 1/3) to 53 1/3. Heney is a guy that in the last 4 years has completed 6 innings a grand total of 22 times. There were 12 guys that had 21 or more quality starts just last year.

I can agree with the games that matter in September, but would add games that matter and a sense there is a chance of actually doing something in those games. Last year the Twins had "games that matter" because of their start and the White Sox/Cleveland start.

That is the good thing about bringing somebody up at age 25, there is no reason to extend him. You ride him until there is a 1 1/2 left and trade him. That is the reason to have a pitching pipleline always replacing a guy with a younger cheaper guy.

Thanks, fun list. Being an this list hasn't done much for anybody's career.

IMO, why pay any pitcher that you don't except to at least the 6th in most of his starts anything over 10 million. If the team feels a pitcher is limited to 90 pitches and just over 18 guys a game he isn't worth that kind of money. I think the Twins have proven with Ober, Winder, Varland and others if you are going to limit a pitcher to twice though the lineup or so, it can be done with younger cheaper guys.

I would say if Martin is Plan B for anything next year the FO has failed at preparing the Team to win in 23. Martin shouldn't be part of any plan for 23. If he proves his .316 SLG at age 23 in AA was a fluke and takes off and forces the Twins to include him in the Plans then that is a win/win for him and the team. He isn't on the 40 man now and there is ZERO to put him on it until he proves he deserves it. IMO