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We will just have to agree to disagree as to what “did just fine” means

I guess we will just have trust them to use our money wisely.

It sure is easy to spend someone else’s money

I take it you never saw him play defense

Yes. He is better than Austudillo.

How much do you want them to spend?

I wouldn’t say I think Buxton is “so awesome and important”. I think he has the potential to have a great year and would invest the 10 million or whatever it takes to see it in a Twins uniform. And if other teams think he is an injury risk, they may not offer more than fringe prospects.

I see opening the season with Kepler, Buxton and Kirilloff as starters and Cave and Rooker as bench players. Not horrible, and it doesn’t mean it has to be that way all season.

If over paying for a part time player or trading him for a couple of fringe prospects are the other options, would that change your mind?

Why can’t just paying him his arbitration deal this year and playing the season out be an option?

There is going to be a lot of disappointed TD followers next spring when Cave makes the opening day roster.

It isn’t 2019 anymore. He will be 39 years old and has barely pitched in two years. Sure, give him 20 million.

No to both. The Twins need innings eaters, some pitchers that are able to consistently give them that 5 or 6 inning outing that most teams ask for nowadays. Not some aged, overpriced guy who might pitch or might not.

Maybe they could sign JA Happ for 8.5 million. He went 5-2 with 4.00 ERA down the stretch for a playoff team. Oh wait, never mind.

Any outfield talk has to begin with Buxton. My preferred OF for next year would be Kiriloff-Buxton-Kepler. Having said that, I think many of the proposed, incentive based extensions that many have offered are pie in the sky. At worst, why wouldn’t Buxton just take his 8 million this year, have a monster year and wait for the $200 million offers next year? Any who want to sign Buxton now at any cost, need to come to terms with this may be where the Buxton camp is at.

He should be considered, however not sure he would be a wise investment even at 3 years at $15/year. What the Twins rotation needs most is a pitcher that can provide innings. Not one of their top prospects can be expected to pitch for much more than 100 innings next year, and that includes Ober and Ryan. I don’t care if the guy is classified as a #1 or 5, whatever ever that means any way. They need some starters than could be expected to provide 150 innings next year.

The five you mentioned are exactly the ones I would use in a DH rotation. And I would not trade any of them away, as I would not expect the return to be better than what these 5 will contribute.

To a one year deal, maybe, if healthy. Not sure if either would pick the Twins in that case. Absolutely not to a long term deal.

Unless offered an deal too hard to say no to (not gonna happen), he won’t be traded. He is a very good hitter, is affordable. And his replacements are questionable at this point.

Yep, and it turned out “splendidly”. Although I must have missed your “valid example “ to support that.

The innings limits on the young guys were understandable based on past health and usage, I don’t understand why it had to be automatic for the veterans. I don’t have particular examples, but I seem to remember several occurrences where one cruised thru 6 innings with 80 or less pitches, but was removed in favor of a less talented and/or overused bullpen arm. I guess I wish each game was managed on its own merit and was not managed by checking a box.

I didn’t advocate in favor of any of your rantings. I simply asked how the strategy paid off.

How did that strategy pay off for the Twins this?

Was it “absolute blunder” when the other 5 teams he played for gave up on him as well?

I have a feeling that Cave will play more and out perform Broxton next year. And that Happ will get a contract as a back of the rotation pitcher somewhere and will live up to those expectations.