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    Robb Dahlen

    It’s going to be a good battle for the fourth outfielder position. The Minnesota Twins still have a lot of questions to answer before the 2019 season, but one thing they probably don’t have to worry about is finding a fourth outfielder. The Twins currently have eight outfielders on their 40-Man Roster. That’s more than enough and by the end of Spring Training, that number will likely be lower as there are three players who will battle it out in the Spring for one position. The two players who fail to win that competition might have to be moved because they look like they are ready to be major league ballplayers.

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    We’re going to assume the starting outfielders for the 2019 Minnesota Twins will be Eddie Rosario in left field, Byron Buxton in center field and Max Kepler in right field. Is that a certainty? No, injuries are always a possibility, but that’s not what we’re discussing today. It appears the fourth spot on the outfield will come down to Jake Cave, Zack Granite and Michael Reed.

    LIKE BUTTER, ON A ROLE

    First, we should define the role of a fourth outfielder. Any non-starting position is a completely different role compared to a starting position. You’re not playing every day which makes it difficult to get a feel for your game from an offensive standpoint. Your at-bats are scattered into a pinch-hit here and there and a start once or twice a week. As a fourth outfielder, your defense should be a big and very good part of your game. Fourth outfielders are often late-inning replacements to protect a lead.

    Role players or bench players are backups, but that doesn’t make them less important. There’s really no way to practice being in a backup role. Players progress through the minors by playing and playing every day. Teams aren’t trying to develop prospects into backups or utility players. Those players end up playing their way into the lineup so they’ll start to focus on playing a or many different positions. Either way, it will take some time for any player to get used to that role.

    One thing that’s similar to being a starter is you always have to be ready to play. Maybe the better way of describing it for a bench player is you have to figure out how to stay ready while you’re not playing. You have to know how to get your body ready quickly so you can enter the game at any time for any reason. It could be for an injury, as a pinch-hitter or a pinch-runner or as a defensive replacement and it could happen at any point in the game.

    IN THIS CORNER (OR IN THE CENTER)

    Jake Cave, Zack Granite and Michael Reed will compete to decide who makes the team out of Spring Training. Jake Cave appears to have the upper hand in this competition because he played every day for the Twins for the last three months of the 2018 season, producing a 1.5 bWAR result. Zack Granite could disagree because if it wasn’t for him injuring his shoulder in Spring Training last season, Twins fans might not even know who Jake Cave is. Michael Reed was claimed off waivers from the Atlanta Braves on Oct. 31. We don’t know a ton about him since we haven’t seen him play, yet. Looking at his past stats reveals that he has some power, on-base skills and he plays okay defense.

    A fourth outfielder should be able to play every outfield position and play them all well. The Twins are pretty set with good defensive outfielders and both corner outfielders, Eddie Rosario and Max Kepler, can play center field if the need arises so maybe defense won’t play as big of a role in the fourth outfielder decision but not playing good defense would lower their opportunities for playing time.

    Most people will put Jake Cave in the lead to win this spot, but the truth is it’s probably a lot closer than people think.

    TO THE JAKE CAVE

    Jake Cave is coming off a good season where he was able to show some power with the bat and some ability in center field. He hit .269/.316/.481 (AVG/OBP/SLG) going 76-for-283 with 17 doubles, two triples, 13 home runs, 45 RBIs, two stolen bases (in three attempts) and 54 runs scored while drawing 16 walks and striking out 102 times in 91 games (78 starts.)

    He was better against right-handed pitching, a lot better at home than away and better in the first half than the second half of the season. The first versus second half is partly due to small sample size (26 vs. 65 games.) He produced very well in high leverage situations, two outs with runners in scoring position (RISP) and when the game was tied. He also did most of this while batting in the bottom third of the lineup. He was given some time hitting third (nine games) by Paul Molitor in the last month of the season and produced well there, too.

    He does have a leg up in this battle but none of that will matter once spring training begins with the first full workout just 15 days from today on February 18th.

    REEDING IS FUNDAMENTAL

    We haven’t seen enough of Michael Reed to have much of an opinion on him, yet. That means we have to Reed the stats. He had a really good year for the Braves AA and AAA teams last season. He hit .341/.450/.515(AVG/OBP/SLG) going 116-for-340 with 26 doubles, 11 home runs, 39 RBIs, 10 stolen bases (in 13 attempts) and 70 runs scored while drawing 62 walks and striking out 101 times in 103 games. He did start the season in AA but was promoted to AAA at the end of May and he didn’t miss a beat. His season did end a little early in September with a back strain.

    He can play every outfield position with most of his time spent in right field but since 2016, he’s seen more time in center field. He was originally drafted in the sixth round by the Milwaukee Brewers in 2011 out of a Texas high school. He got a taste of the big leagues in 2015 then struggled in the Arizona Fall League. He got back to the big leagues for another taste in 2016 after playing in AAA all season but didn’t produce much in a small eight-game sample and it looks like he was starting to struggle with the better pitching of the upper levels of the minor leagues. In 2017, he started at AA and only played 54 games dealing with injuries. He eventually elected free agency and signed with the Braves and has now put himself in a position to play for a big league job.

    If you’ve seen pictures of Mr. Reed, you can tell he likes working out. He looks like he’s a lot more than 215 lbs listed in his bio.

    DON’T TAKE ZACK FOR GRANITE

    For Minnesota Twins prospect Zack Granite, it’s what have you done for me lately? A bad season can do serious damage to a prospect’s stock. Zack Granite was up with the Twins late in 2017 and showed his ability with the bat, his on-base skills and on defense. Now, it’s like he’s been completely forgotten because he just hit .211/.282/.245 by going 50-for-237 with eight doubles, four RBI, nine stolen bases (in 13 attempts) and 28 runs scored while drawing 22 walks and striking out 28 times in 68 games at AAA. Obviously, that’s a bad season but it’s largely due to a shoulder injury sustained in Spring Training that never fully healed and actually ended his 2018 season early.

    He was the Twins Minor League Player of the Year in 2016 (with 56 steals). He took that momentum into 2017, just tearing up the International League by hitting .338/.392/.475 by going 96-for-284 with 16 doubles, four triples, five home runs, 29 RBI, 15 stolen bases (in 21 attempts) and 46 runs scored while drawing 24 walks and striking out 34 times in 71 games.

    He showed a keen eye in a in only 93 at-bats in that 2017 cup of coffee. That included 22 starts.

    SO, WHO YOU GOT?

    Mr. Cave definitely made it look like he belongs in the major leagues. Some of those were home runs were very large and everyone loves power. The problem with power is it usually brings along with it lots of swings and misses and empty plate appearances. Jake doesn’t look as good defensively on paper.

    Michael Reed is similar to Cave with the power and the strikeouts but he brings better plate discipline in terms of drawing walks and a little better defense. He’s an unknown to Twins fans but the scouts and the front office probably know him pretty well.

    Zack Granite is a comeback candidate as injuries marred his 2018 season and could just be a speed bump in his baseball career. He also might have the most elite all-around skills.

    If you look at their baseball tools, Cave has power, defense and arm. Reed has power defense, arm(?) and he draws walks. Granite has hitting, speed, defense and on-base skills (draws walks, doesn’t strike out much.) I’m not sure how Reed’s arm is but considering the size of the man, I suspect it’s pretty good. That would be the same reason for me thinking Granite’s arm isn’t very strong.

    Also, Jake Cave was given a starting job in the major leagues for two plus months. That’s rare for most prospects. Neither Reed or Granite has had that chance. They’ve been backups when they’ve been in the majors. They all look to have a shot at the spot, though, and that’s why this should be one of the more interesting battles in Minnesota Twins 2019 Spring Training.

    Research/Notes/Links:

    https://www.mlbtraderumors.com/market-snapshot

    https://www.mlbtraderumors.com/2018/10/2018-19-market-snapshot-center-field.html

    https://www.mlbtraderumors.com/2018/10/2018-19-market-snapshot-corner-outfield.html

    https://www.jsonline.com/story/sports/mlb/brewers/2017/07/06/brewers-place-eric-sogard-dl-recall-yadiel-rivera/454700001/

    https://puckettspond.com/2018/04/20/minnesota-twins-future-zack-granite/

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    It's a little frustrating to have all these 4th OF candidates on the 40-man, because they are all essentially 3-tool players but the tools differ from one guy to the next. Individually they each are useful players, and I'm not going to go into detail here about the exact tools as I see them, but ultimately we are clogging our precious roster slots on too many guys with too little upside and too much similarity. If, say, Chase DeJong turns out to be a good pitcher and we lose him because we couldn't decide which 3-tool outfielders to commit to (as spare parts, or as long shots to develop a fourth tool), I'm going to be pretty disappointed. Pick the one you think least of and trade him for the best lottery ticket you can get who is years away from 40-man decisions, or let the market pick the best in terms of what someone is willing to offer (on the theory that the rest are pretty close to as good anyway). But, pick! We really need one fewer.

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    Do they all have options? A fourth who doesn’t have an option is Tyler Austin.

    Reed looks intriguing. With two starting lefties in the OF corners, wouldn’t it make more sense to have the bench guy be right handed?

    Pretty sure Cave & Granite have 2 options remaining but Reed may be out of options.

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    You are incorrect. :)

    Cave is not out of options. 2018 was his first option year, so he has two option years remaining.

    Granite has 1 option year remaining.

    Reed is out of options (as is Austin).

    "Hmmm. You present quite the conundrum."    quoting Newman.

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    You are incorrect. :)

    Cave is not out of options. 2018 was his first option year, so he has two option years remaining.

    Granite has 1 option year remaining.

    Reed is out of options (as is Austin).

    Thanks, wasn't sure where each stood.  That may put Reed in the driver's seat if he has a spring anything like his 2018 season.

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    Some numbers from BPro's new offensive metric, Deserved Runs Created + (100 is average). fwiw

    AAA, 2018:

    Reed 139

    Cave 108

    Wade 102

    Granite 79 (but 114 in 2017)

    Astudillo 126

    Sano 128

     

    For 2018 MLB:

    Astudillo 127

    Escobar 114

    Rosario 113

    Kepler 111

    Austin 100

    Mauer 97

    Polanco 97

    Cave 90

    Schoop 82

    Sano 77

    Buxton 57

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    Considering Cave has options he’ll probably start the year in the minors. Austin isn’t really cut out for the job. Granite also has an option. So that leaves Reed. He’s right handed which is nice for balance and is a capable CF, I’ve heard.

    Based on last years results I’d have to make Kepler or Buxton the 4th. That’s just me. Or Adam Jones would be a nice pickup, split time with Kepler and show Buxton the ropes.

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    My take is that the front office likes a health Granite because of the elite defense and OBP skills, but he has an option remaining. He will not be the opening day 4th outfielder barring an injury. Cave showed us a lot last year and has the inside track for the job. Reed was an interesting guy on wavers who bats from the right side and my feeling is that they brought him in to get an up close look and to provide some competition for Cave. They will probably try to sneak him through waivers to stash him in AAA if Cave performs as expected in spring training, and if not it will go the other way around.

    Personally I’d really like to see Granite and Astudillo as bench players for their strong OBP skills that this roster is otherwise lacking, but I don’t believe that will actually happen.

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    Granite and Wade will start in AAA. If Cave doesn’t get rolling in ST, I don’t think they’ll hesitate to go with Austin or Reed out of the gate to balance the roster better and keep a no options guy.

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    Reed had a 965!! OPS! Geez. Bats right, no options. Gotta think he's got the inside track and then we have what I agree are too many behind him on the forty. Yes we do need to make a decision and pare them down. I also agree the only reason they still have granite on the forty is to trade him if he rebuilds his value.

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    I understand the trend of not paying free agents huge dollars for past performance that they almost certainly will not continue to provide into their 30’s, when a team can pay players in their first 6 years almost nothing for similar performance.

     

    That said, now that the bottom has fallen out of the free agent market, why not sign an MLB player for our OF? Why must we debate between three flawed, marginal upside players for the 4th spot? We don’t even need the player to be a plus defender, since Rosario and Kepler can play CF too.

     

    Here are four players I would rather have on the roster than Granite, Cave, or Reed: Adam Jones, CarGo, Marwin, Denard Span

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    I can't figure out how Granite is on the forty man. If it's him, and not Cave or Reed, I will increase my belief this FO is bad at their jobs.

     

     

    Derek's 9:30am text: "Good morning Thaddeus. Shall we perhaps grab a late morning latte and render a decision as to the team's excess outfielder?"

     

    Thaddeus: "Yes, should you have the requisite schedule flexibility. My weekly mani-pedi concludes at approximately 11:00am. Shall we rendezvous at our usual Starbucks location?"

     

    Derek: " That is surely an acceptable plan. Shall I take a moment to poll any of the baseball coaches, kinesiologists, or analytic personnel, or should we proceed without their input?"

     

    Thaddeus: "To be frank, perhaps we are better served in this endeavor by avoiding any possible white noise. After all, we have data to peruse on our 7i Apple iphones, do we not? I believe we can accomplish the task in short order and perhaps take an early lunch. After all, we ARE in fact good at our jobs."

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    Adam Jones will play RF. Kepler in CF. Buxton will be our 4th OF.

     

    Kepler has been picked by many stat guys as a breakout candidate this year.  His Defense in Right field was very good last year so the Twins need to know if he is a player on the rise or he is who he is.  I predict a long leash for him this year as he doesn't hurt the team defensively and the only way to improve offensively is to get more at bats at the MLB level.

     

    Buxton is possibly the best defensive center fielder in baseball so he doesn't hurt the team there.  Like Kepler he simply needs to improve his offensive production and I predict the Twins will stick with him all year unless he is absolutely lost at the plate.  They have no one on the team that can replace what he brings defensively and if gets going offensively he is a perenial All Star so again I predict a long leash for Buc as the Twins need him to reach his potential for this team to make it to the next level.

     

    Rosario almost made the All Star team with his first half last year so I would say he is entrenched in left.  So IMO the 4th outfielders identified in this article will be fourth outfielders barring injury to one of the players listed above. 

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    The twins do have options on this question, in part because with Kepler on the roster you don't need your 4th OF to necessarily be a backup for CF. 

     

    I think Cave has the edge because he played respectably in extended duty with the Twins last year and he's a left-handed hitter. Having another lefty bat on the bench isn't a bat idea considering the lineup may well feature 6 righties on a regular basis (Cron, Schoop, Sano, Garver, Buxton, and Cruz) and one switch (Polanco). Sure, castro "hits" left, but...

     

    I'd like the twins to have a 4-man bench and not waste a slot on a 13th pitcher who only sees action once a week at best. Right now it looks like Adrianza, Casto/Garver (I don't know who's getting most of the starts at this point) and a 4th OF are going to fill 3 of them, with hopefully a player to be named later. If Tyler Austin is that guy, that's another righty bat and Cave makes the most sense out of the option we're looking a right now.

     

    I like Granite, but he needs time to get healthy and show he can hit. He's a nice defender, and has potential to be a speedy high-average guy who could get on base a lot at the top of a lineup. I don't hold his 2017 MLB struggles against him; first time in the majors and all that. But he was hurt a lot last year and really struggled. He need to get it back together before he's likely to be a real contender, and he's going to need to hold off Lamonte Wade now.

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    I still think the Twins are trading an outfielder. My guess is that was the plan all along, and couldn't swing a trade this offseason.

     

    My prediction

    Reed starts the season as the 4th outfielder, Granite and Cave will get options exercised

    One of Buxton or Kepler (my guess is Buxton) gets traded around the deadline for a pitcher and Reed becomes right fielder, if he shows the promise he did as a youngster, Jordany Valdespin gets the first call to 4th OF.

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    Here are four players I would rather have on the roster than Granite, Cave, or Reed: Adam Jones, CarGo, Marwin, Denard Span

     

    I think this team needs better OBP guys so I wouldn't be interested in Jones. Gonzalez looks like a shell of himself even at Coors so I think I'd skip him. Plenty of room for Marwin though, he can play infield too. Span would be interesting. While a guy like Jones is likely looking to start, Span might be more amenable to just taking a job. Being a rotational outfielder might work for him.

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    I still think the Twins are trading an outfielder. My guess is that was the plan all along, and couldn't swing a trade this offseason.

    My prediction
    Reed starts the season as the 4th outfielder, Granite and Cave will get options exercised
    One of Buxton or Kepler (my guess is Buxton) gets traded around the deadline for a pitcher and Reed becomes right fielder, if he shows the promise he did as a youngster, Jordany Valdespin gets the first call to 4th OF.

    The chances of either getting traded this season has to be near zero.

     

    I doubt we are actively trying to make room for any of the 4th outfield options.  They all seem to be good fits for 4th OF/ emergency options.

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    I think this team needs better OBP guys so I wouldn't be interested in Jones. Gonzalez looks like a shell of himself even at Coors so I think I'd skip him. Plenty of room for Marwin though, he can play infield too. Span would be interesting. While a guy like Jones is likely looking to start, Span might be more amenable to just taking a job. Being a rotational outfielder might work for him.

    I love the Span idea!  With his awesome gray beard.  Wisdom for young Buck.  

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    I think this team needs better OBP guys so I wouldn't be interested in Jones. Gonzalez looks like a shell of himself even at Coors so I think I'd skip him. Plenty of room for Marwin though, he can play infield too. Span would be interesting. While a guy like Jones is likely looking to start, Span might be more amenable to just taking a job. Being a rotational outfielder might work for him.

    Span is also married to a gal from MN. Just saying...

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    Rosario wasn't good the last half of the year and Kepler is stuck in second gear. We know about Buxton's troubles.

     

    I agree that signing a vet to back up these guys is an excellent idea and increases the likelihood that they don't all tank.

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    Can't imagine Granite is seriously in play whatsoever. Lifetime minor league OPS of 708...that lowest (by a good margin) among Reed, Cave, Wade. Oh...and Granite is also the same age...actually months older...than Reed and Cave.

     

    Cave has the insider track, Wade's the dark horse. Reed needs to catch fire immediately in spring training to have a chance. Granite has no chance. Austin nor Cron are going to play in the outfield.

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    Can't imagine Granite is seriously in play whatsoever. Lifetime minor league OPS of 708...that lowest (by a good margin) among Reed, Cave, Wade. Oh...and Granite is also the same age...actually months older...than Reed and Cave.

     

    Cave has the insider track, Wade's the dark horse. Reed needs to catch fire immediately in spring training to have a chance. Granite has no chance. Austin nor Cron are going to play in the outfield.

     

    We used to accuse Smith and Gardenhire of favoring certain players. I think this new group does the same thing. There's a bit of the "bring the band back together" thing going on ... but with former Rangers players ... and I really don't understand how they choose which young guys to play.

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    Can't imagine Granite is seriously in play whatsoever. Lifetime minor league OPS of 708...that lowest (by a good margin) among Reed, Cave, Wade. Oh...and Granite is also the same age...actually months older...than Reed and Cave.

     

    Cave has the insider track, Wade's the dark horse. Reed needs to catch fire immediately in spring training to have a chance. Granite has no chance. Austin nor Cron are going to play in the outfield.

    concur. Granite has never been s real prospect. Zero power. Why are they still wasting a roster spot?
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    concur. Granite has never been s real prospect. Zero power. Why are they still wasting a roster spot?

    Probably because it isn't uncommon for a power spike to occur in a player's late 20s. And that is basically all Granite needs to be a productive big leaguer. 

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    Probably because it isn't uncommon for a power spike to occur in a player's late 20s. And that is basically all Granite needs to be a productive big leaguer.

    For Granite, a power spike would actually be showing some power. This is a guy with 2000 career PA as a pro and 11 HR.

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    For Granite, a power spike would actually be showing some power. This is a guy with 2000 career PA as a pro and 11 HR.

    Sure, that's exactly what I mean. Guys like Denard Span (12 HR in 2400 minor league PAs) and Brett Gardner (9HR in 1700 minor league PAs) are examples of the path I'm thinking. If he can up his ISO to, say, .110 from his current .075, he could be an everyday player. It probably won't happen, but I think it is worth the opportunity cost of having him on the 40-man roster for the next 9-14 months.

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    Sure, that's exactly what I mean. Guys like Denard Span (12 HR in 2400 minor league PAs) and Brett Gardner (9HR in 1700 minor league PAs) are examples of the path I'm thinking. If he can up his ISO to, say, .110 from his current .075, he could be an everyday player. It probably won't happen, but I think it is worth the opportunity cost of having him on the 40-man roster for the next 9-14 months.

    Despite having Buxton, Rosario, Kepler, Cave, Wade, Reed, Kirilloff, Lanarch, Badoo, and more, and OF always being available in FA....

     

    The team needs to be taking chances on pitchers. Imo. They literally have Berrios and, um, no one else proven, under control past this year. And the RP corps isn't in much better shape.

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