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  • Who is Part of the Twins' Long-Term Core Four?


    Cody Christie

    Every team has to make long-term plans for the organization's direction. Which players compose Minnesota's core four for 2022 and beyond?

     

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    For most of a decade, the Yankees were one of baseball's best teams as they relied on the services of players deemed their "Core Four." Derek Jeter, Jorge Posada, Andy Pettitte, and Mariano Rivera captured four World Series titles in five years. Minnesota relied on players like Kirby Puckett, Kent Hrbek, Greg Gagne, and Gene Larkin to win two championships in a five-year span. Other players fit into vital roles, but core pieces stayed the same on both of these rosters. 

    Few core groups can match the Yankees team's success, but every franchise is looking for the players to keep their winning window open. So, who is a current member of the Twins Core Four?

    Byron Buxton
    Contract Status: Signed thru 2028, 7 yrs/$100M (22-28)
    Earliest Free Agency: 2029

    Byron Buxton is the face of the franchise, and Minnesota made sure he would fulfill this role for much of the next decade. He certainly doesn't have the levels of playoff success associated with Jeter and Puckett, but Buxton has just six total playoff at-bats. Minnesota is in a position to make the playoffs this season, and the Twins are doing their best to ensure Buxton is healthy at the season's end. With Buxton in the line-up, Minnesota has a tremendous record throughout his professional career. Now the team and fans hope Buxton can end the franchise's postseason losing streak. 

    Luis Arraez
    Contract Status: 1st Year Arb Eligible (Super 2) 
    Earliest Free Agency: 2026

    Out of the players on this list, Luis Arraez is under team control for the fewest remaining years. He was awarded Super 2 status entering the 2022 season, so he qualifies for an extra year of arbitration. Minnesota may want to consider a long-term deal with Arraez, especially as other players like Jorge Polanco and Max Kepler see their deals coming closer to the end. Like Jorge Posada, Arraez may be considered somewhat unheralded, but he is key to the team's success. So far this season, Arraez has revamped his batting stance and his pre-game routine. The results speak for themselves, and now the Twins should find a way to keep him in Minnesota for the prime of his career. 

    Joe Ryan
    Contract Status: Pre-Arbitration Eligible
    Earliest Free Agency: 2028

    When the Twins traded for Joe Ryan, few could have imagined how good he would be during this early juncture of his career. He's also 26 years old, so the Twins have team control over him until his early 30s. He has a long way to go before getting close to the same category as Andy Pettitte. Over nearly two decades, Pettitte pitched over 275 innings in the playoffs. Ryan is also an unconventional starting pitcher who relies on his fastball nearly 60% of the time. Will he continue to succeed, or will the league start figuring him out? For now, the Twins always need pitching, and he looks like he is the most likely member of the rotation for most of the next decade. 

    Jhoan Duran
    Contract Status: Pre-Arbitration Eligible
    Earliest Free Agency: 2028

    During his rookie season, even Mariano Rivera didn't have as much success as Jhoan Duran. Rivera began his career as a starter but struggled before the team moved him to the bullpen. Rivera went on to a Hall of Fame career as he is widely considered the best reliever in baseball history. To reach the same level, Duran will need to continue to find success in the regular season and hope for postseason opportunities to prove his worth. After dealing with injuries in the minors, Duran also needs to prove he can have the same level of durability as Rivera. Relievers can be fickle, but Duran is already off to a tremendous start. 

    What do you think the ceiling is for Minnesota's Core Four? Would you put someone else in the group? Leave a COMMENT and start the discussion. 

     

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    This is a good article, in that it sparked a lot of reaction, but it is also a bit goofy in trying to compare a dynasty team (where sure you will have a stable group of players probably keeping the team at the top most years) to a team that won 2 World Series, but 4 years apart (and with very different rosters).

    And worse, to a team holding the all-time professional sports record for consecutive playoff losses.

    We probably want to hold off on naming championship core players until we at least win a playoff series, then win one again the next year.

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    11 hours ago, Hosken Bombo Disco said:
    11 hours ago, Hosken Bombo Disco said:

    I’d argue Gladden belongs, despite his numbers he was truly a catalyst. I would also argue for Gaetti, even though his last season was 90 and actually split away from the other hellraisers before that. 87 just doesn’t happen without Gaetti. Or Gagne, for that matter.

    So now you have core five, which does not rhyme, undermining the entire premise :) 

    (also Bernie Williams wtf)

    Bernie Williams is ridiculously underrated. Pretty wild he’s not in the HOF to me.

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    • Buxton

    • Kirilloff

    • Lewis

    • Arraez

    • Duran

    barring any moves at the deadline. 

    Ryan, Winder, Miranda, and Larnach all nice supporting pieces contributing now.

    Pretty solid group, especially when you consider this upcoming crop of pitching in Canterino, Povich, Festa, SWR, Hajjar, Varland, Adams, Raya, Laweryson, Paredes, Headrick, Gipson - Long, Balazovic

    Youll hit on a few of those guys. I like the shape we are in for the next 4-6 years.

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    17 hours ago, ashbury said:

    In all honesty I stopped reading when I saw Larkin listed as a core four. 

    You were thinking Randy Bush too huh?

    Joking aside, few players have ever been as predictably consistent as Bush and Larkin. Dang good and year-in-year-out reliable bench bats. 

    But yeah, bench bats aren't really 'core' material. No one's mentioning Nick Gordon and Gilbert Celestino this time around.

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    Just now, Otaknam said:

    Previous poster nailed it by expanding the list to include Arraez, Buxton, Kiriloff, Lewis, Larnach, Ryan, Winder, and Duran. 

    They’ve all had some success in the bigs. Winder has some bulldog in him and hopefully can stay healthy. Am looking for the day when they don’t search the scrap heap for starters trying to make a comeback.

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    21 hours ago, wsnydes said:

    I'd go Buxton, Kirilloff, Ryan and Duran if we're needing to include a reliever.  Without any sort of "requirements", I'd swap Lewis for Duran.  

    You would list a twice seriously injured player with a few dozen at bats in the majors over Arraez?  C'mon, would you really?  

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    Just now, Mark G said:

    You would list a twice seriously injured player with a few dozen at bats in the majors over Arraez?  C'mon, would you really?  

    I would.  I think Lewis can be that level of a game changer.  I like Arraez quite a bit, but I don't think you can build a team around him.

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    Buxton (if can stay healthy), Lewis (if knee can stay healthy), AK (if wrist can stay healthy), and Ryan - IMO

    Would be ok with Duran in there as well, but have trouble putting a reliever in there as a core player when their careers (like Duffy) can be so brief.

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    38 minutes ago, Otaknam said:

    Previous poster nailed it by expanding the list to include Arraez, Buxton, Kiriloff, Lewis, Larnach, Ryan, Winder, and Duran. 

    Only two of which are proven MLB players, and one of them struggles to play 120 games a year.  As much as I like the potential of the other 6, please give me a year or two more before I crown them part of a future core.  Here's hoping you all are right.  

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    3 minutes ago, wsnydes said:

    I would.  I think Lewis can be that level of a game changer.  I like Arraez quite a bit, but I don't think you can build a team around him.

    Well, I hope you are right, but it is even harder to build a team around a guy who misses a year or more at a time with injuries, never knowing if he will return the same player.  But then we have done that with Buxton, so who am I to argue with injury prone players?  :)  

    Besides, if I had my way we would pay the price and build the team around Correa, but me and JP don't always see eye to eye on those things (I really wish he would answer my calls).  

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    9 minutes ago, Mark G said:

    Well, I hope you are right, but it is even harder to build a team around a guy who misses a year or more at a time with injuries, never knowing if he will return the same player.  But then we have done that with Buxton, so who am I to argue with injury prone players?  :)  

    Besides, if I had my way we would pay the price and build the team around Correa, but me and JP don't always see eye to eye on those things (I really wish he would answer my calls).  

    Correa has only played more than 110 games twice in his career.  If you're worried about injury, he's not exactly the poster child of health either.

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    9 minutes ago, Rosterman said:

    Anyone!? 1`5 Players on the Twins team in 2025? How about 2026?

    I may have had 20/25 vision when I was younger, but I need glasses at this age.  I don't think I can see that far.  :)  

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    3 minutes ago, wsnydes said:

    Correa has only played more than 110 games twice in his career.  If you're worried about injury, he's not exactly the poster child of health either.

    In '20 he played 58 out of 60, in '21 148 out of 162, and so far this year 61 out of 85.  I think I would take my chances with that recent track record with as young as he still is.  But that's just me.  

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    1 hour ago, nicksaviking said:

    You were thinking Randy Bush too huh?

    Joking aside, few players have ever been as predictably consistent as Bush and Larkin. Dang good and year-in-year-out reliable bench bats.

    It's hard to build up value when your only distinguishing skill is one PA every few games or so.  Pushing these guys into other roles than that almost always cost the team more than it benefited.

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    19 minutes ago, Mark G said:

    In '20 he played 58 out of 60, in '21 148 out of 162, and so far this year 61 out of 85.  I think I would take my chances with that recent track record with as young as he still is.  But that's just me.  

    He's certainly less risky, I wasn't arguing anything differently.  But he's had his fair share of injury shortened seasons as well.  He's not without risk though.

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    49 minutes ago, wsnydes said:

    I would.  I think Lewis can be that level of a game changer.  I like Arraez quite a bit, but I don't think you can build a team around him.

    You can't build a team around a guy who gets on base 40% of the time? As General McAuliff said to the German surrender proposal during the Battle of the Bulge. NUTS!

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    4 minutes ago, Schmoeman5 said:

    You can't build a team around a guy who gets on base 40% of the time? As General McAuliff said to the German surrender proposal during the Battle of the Bulge. NUTS!

    Not one that doesn't have a position in the field and isn't a great defender anyway.  Sure, he can DH, but I don't really want to build a team around a DH.

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    2 minutes ago, wsnydes said:

    Not one that doesn't have a position in the field and isn't a great defender anyway.  Sure, he can DH, but I don't really want to build a team around a DH.

    Arreaz is not a great defensive player, I agree, the overriding fact is he can hit. And I'm not building a team solely around him. TD Army is always complaining about 2 things. The bullpen and lack of hitting or lack of hitting with RISP. Solo homers are better than 2 run shots? Go back to Twins vs Yankees game when Cole pitched. 3 or 4 solo shots. Who won the game. ARREAZ, leadoff playing wherever for the next 5 years is a good start 

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    31 minutes ago, wsnydes said:

    He's certainly less risky, I wasn't arguing anything differently.  But he's had his fair share of injury shortened seasons as well.  He's not without risk though.

    No 35 million dollar man is; would be too easy, wouldn't it?  :)  

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    8 minutes ago, Schmoeman5 said:

    Arreaz is not a great defensive player, I agree, the overriding fact is he can hit. And I'm not building a team solely around him. TD Army is always complaining about 2 things. The bullpen and lack of hitting or lack of hitting with RISP. Solo homers are better than 2 run shots? Go back to Twins vs Yankees game when Cole pitched. 3 or 4 solo shots. Who won the game. ARREAZ, leadoff playing wherever for the next 5 years is a good start 

    Won't disagree with any of that, that's just not who I'd prioritize to build around.

    To each their own.  That's why this is a good talker.

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