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    Ted Schwerzler

    As the Winter Meetings came to an end, the Minnesota Twins found themselves mentioned often and making just a few waves. In signing Michael Pineda to a two-year contract, while handing out a one-year deal to Fernando Rodney, Derek Falvey and Thad Levine may be asking us to read through the tea leaves.

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    Looking at what we know thus far, the Twins have been connected to relievers like Brandon Kintzler, Steve Cishek, Fernando Rodney and Matt Belisle. Of that foursome, only Rodney has landed with the Twins. In 2018, he’ll be 41 years old, and the lone leftover (Belisle) will be 38. Other names they’ve been linked to include Tony Watson (32) and Addison Reed (28). Looking at the aforementioned names only Reed is under the age of 30. I think we can begin to glean something from this information.

    As the Twins attack free agency, the bullpen from 2017 remains a concern. Derek Falvey and Thad Levine know that relief help needs to be brought in for this club to take the next step. With regard to relievers though, you generally want to be creative or good. Going the route of “good” can be a mistake waiting to happen. Handing out big contracts to names like Wade Davis or Greg Holland could end up preventing money being spent elsewhere, and is a situation that could blow up with a small case of the yips.

    When it comes to relief pitching, finding outliers seems to be, in general, a much more fruitful endeavor. As Twins Daily’s Tom Froemming pointed out, Brandon Morrow and Tommy Hunter bother signed one year deals last offseason for less than $1.5m each. During the current offseason, both agreed to multi-year deals for multiple millions of dollars. Seth Stohs also pointed out the desire to sign the likes of Tony Sipp or Antonio Bastardo to multi-year deals for big money back in 2015. All across baseball, you can pick out relief contracts that resemble a pitcher being paid too much for too long.

    Then, you have to take a look at what the Twins may be looking at from within. As things stand currently, Minnesota has more than a few promising arms on the horizon. Tyler Jay remains the top relief arm and should have a shot to get to the big leagues quickly. Felix Jorge could find himself factoring into the bullpen mix, and there are more than a few holdovers including John Curtiss, Alan Busenitz, J.T. Chargois, and even Jake Reed. Each of those guys has a relative amount of upside, and presents an ability to strike out big league hitters.

    In signing Rodney, the Twins only continue to play into this perception. A one-year deal worth up to $6 million guarantees few things, but tells us plenty. Entering the 2018 season, the expectation should be that he’ll be the club’s closer. He posted a 10.6 K/9 and picked up 39 saves a year ago for the Diamondbacks. As a veteran presence, that should be welcomed out of the gate for Minnesota. As the season draws on though, nothing about his age or his contract cements him into that role over any of the previously noted youth.

    What the Twins seem to be suggesting is that there’s a level of awareness regarding the deficiencies currently present on the big league roster. Relief help is obviously something Paul Molitor could use, but Derek Falvey and Thad Levine are also sending the message that they believe in what they have. Rodney, even with a good season, probably won’t be back in 2019 and another similar deal could be granted to the likes of Watson or Belisle.

    As the season wears on, the front office would love nothing more than to watch Jay or Chargois develop into the next man up. Curtiss, Busenitz and Reed all have the profiles of effective setup men, and seeing them blossom into that would be a welcomed reality. By addressing current issues while also allowing future solutions to present themselves, the Twins have the best of both worlds.

    Entering the 2018 season, the Minnesota Twins will try to take advantage of a potentially unique opportunity. With only the Cleveland Indians being competitive in the AL Central, they should find themselves no worse than the second best team in their division. With the rise of youth, they could soon overtake Cleveland at the top of the ladder. Rather than throwing all the chips in the basket right now, it appears the plan is to build consistently, using 2017 as a building block for the upcoming year and beyond.

    Ideally, the Twins should sign another reliever to a contract similar to what Rodney just agreed to. Then, getting an impact starting pitcher could set them up nicely to make some noise. While not going all in on 2018, they’d have taken steps forward without sacrificing the long term viability of an extended run of competitiveness. To summarize, short term/high upside solutions in the pen, and a long term/high ceiling starter would make for one successful offseason.

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    Hawkins, Everyday Eddie, Nathan. Perkins Kintzler    Terry Ryan could find pretty good closers. It can't be too hard of job if Ryan can do it.  Maybe they should have kept Ryan as special chief senior gm in charge of relief. What in the Burton Jepson debacles do you mean that no one can be perfect? 

     

    Sometimes the art of finding someone off the scrap heap is simply giving them an opportunity. 

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    The Twins strategy for relief pitchers has been reasonable. Every year there are relief pitchers that excel on bad teams. We can then trade for said relief pitchers that we KNOW are pitching well this year. Yes you can lose some prospects, but you have a much more reliable return on investment in the often volatile world of relief pitching.

     

    (didn't know which thread to post this on, so did it on both :)

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    There is somethibg to be said for high quality, proven, consistent relievers and large contracts. Despite the volatility of the "world of a relief pitcher", some guys are proven year in and year out.

     

    But it can be very dangerous, and we see it every year, when big contracts are handed out to RP via FA that aren't those guys. Remember a couple years ago when everyone was on board for signing Sipp? Got the last laugh on that one.

     

    And every year it seems there are a few guys that either slip through the cracks and get picked up on the cheap, or coming back from off/injured seasons and then out to be huge bargains.

     

    With Rodney on board, what we have, what's coming, what us still availbe, I'm not in serious worry mode.

     

    Though I believe it would be highly prudent to find one more good guy. There are always trade possibilities down the road if you suddenly end up with bullpen wealth.

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    While not all that spectacular, I like the signings of Pineda and Rodney.  I'm wondering if we should be looking at this as an indictment of the Twins farm system. 

     

    When I heard Gonsalves' (6' 5") best pitch was a change-up,  I gave up on him.  Then I read on this board that Nick Gordon isn't as great a prospect as I was lead to believe.

     

    Please tell me if I've got this all wrong.... 

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    While not all that spectacular, I like the signings of Pineda and Rodney. I'm wondering if we should be looking at this as an indictment of the Twins farm system.

     

    When I heard Gonsalves' (6' 5") best pitch was a change-up, I gave up on him. Then I read on this board that Nick Gordon isn't as great a prospect as I was lead to believe.

     

    Please tell me if I've got this all wrong....

    Nothing wrong with a change up bring your best pitch. The biggest challenge for most prospects of the current era is developing a quality change up. I think Gordon ends up at second base so, yea I think he is overrated.

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    Well they've never signed one, if we're talking about contending in 2018 there's no reason not to break the seal now that one appears to be interested.

    Most teams have never signed a front line free agent and contending in 2018, 2019, 2020, and 2021 is already a done deal.

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    While not all that spectacular, I like the signings of Pineda and Rodney. I'm wondering if we should be looking at this as an indictment of the Twins farm system.

     

    When I heard Gonsalves' (6' 5") best pitch was a change-up, I gave up on him. Then I read on this board that Nick Gordon isn't as great a prospect as I was lead to believe.

     

    Please tell me if I've got this all wrong....

     

    As Linus stated previously, Johan's best pitch was his change, and he did awfully well with that. Now, Johan threw harder than Gonsalves, but I am actually encouraged that Gonsalves's best pitch is his change as that may be the single hardest pitch to master successfully, as well as the ability to change speeds overall.

     

    It has long been said that the #1 ingredient to being a quality SP in MLB is the ability to upset a batters timing. That can be accomplished two ways: 1] by changing planes of contact (location) and 2] changing speeds.

     

    I have often compared Berrios and Gonsalves, even though they are quite different pitchers. (Not just handedness). What I have noticed...and I am by no means a scout or expert...is that they both seem to have the "it" factor when it comes to pitching. At each level they have been at, each of them has shown the ability to learn and adapt. They both seem to have the image ability to "pitch" and not just throw. Berrios does throw harder, and IMHO, has the makings of a quality #2 who may graduate to #1 status. Gonsalves, again IMHO, has the ability to be a quality #3 with the potential for a #2 starter. His being consistently in the high 80's and low 90's...ocassionally a little harder/higher...is fine with location and a high quality change.

     

    The key for both to achieve full potential is their breaking ball.

     

    There are quite a few nice arms in the Twins milb system. But the one guy I'm really loathe about trading away is Gonsalves.

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    Hawkins, Everyday Eddie, Nathan. Perkins Kintzler    Terry Ryan could find pretty good closers. It can't be too hard of job if Ryan can do it.  Maybe they should have kept Ryan as special chief senior gm in charge of relief. What in the Burton Jepson debacles do you mean that no one can be perfect? 

    Yeah, I think finding closers is not such a difficult task, or at least not one you need to over-think. Given the opportunity, some guys rise to the task and shine. Remember some guy named Joe Nathan? The Jepson trade could certainly be called a bad one, or at least not a very productive one. But if I remember correctly they picked up Burton in the off-season for practically nothing and he performed very well that first year.

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