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    Seth Stohs

    On Saturday, we learned that the Twins front office was definitely working as sellers at this point. Another late-inning tough loss for the Twins, this one at the hands of the A's, and it's all but certain that is the appropriate decision.

    In this article, we will discuss some of the rumors that have been out there about the Twins. It will be updated throughout the day as we hear more. Consider this your place to discuss rumors.

    Obviously any actual trades will have their own article within moments of the deal's completion.

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    7:20 p.m. - Ken Rosenthal says that the Diamondbacks are not looking to add an infielder as they have plenty of depth.

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    4:55 p.m. - Arizona Diamondbacks second baseman Chris Owings fractured a finger today. He's out for the year. The Diamondbacks may have a need at second base.

    https://twitter.com/ScottMillerBbl/status/891777882682302464

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    1:05 p.m. - Jon Morosi reports that the Twins and Mariners have had at least some level of discussions regarding Ervin Santana.

    https://twitter.com/jonmorosi/status/891718371418484736

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    11:40 a.m. - Twins GM Thad Levine was on MLB Radio on Sunday morning, talking about where the Twins are in terms of the trade deadline. Said that Cleveland and Kansas City "did us a favor" by going on their winning streaks when they did. Also, "we've probably had our highest volume of calls on Kintzler and some of our other relievers." Also mentions that he hopes the Twins and Kintzler have good enough of a relationship to extend him. So, you never know exactly what to believe and what is posturing, etc. In reality, both things are likely true.

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    Update (8:30 a.m.) Early Sunday morning, the Twins and Yankees announced that Jaime Garcia (along with Cash) has been traded to New York in exchange for RHP Zack Littell and LHP Deitrich Enns. (For more discussion, click here)

    https://twitter.com/morsecode/status/891653191158444033

    The Twins also announced that lefty Craig Breslow has been released.

    I'm sure today will be busy, fully of Twins-related rumors as we anticipate Monday afternoon's trade deadline.

    https://twitter.com/Feinsand/status/891662940738289664

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    On Friday, I posted my thoughts on which Twins players could be traded, and a percent-likelihood that they were dealt.

    Earlier on Saturday, it was youngster Chris Cotillo who first let us know that the Twins were having conversations with buyers about some of their veterans.

    https://twitter.com/ChrisCotillo/status/891426876488593411

    The above tweet also indicates that Derek Falvey and Thad Levine are not going to wait until the deadline to start dealing.

    In fact, shortly after the Twins loss in Oakland, Jeff Passan said that the Twins may be nearing a deal already.

    https://twitter.com/JeffPassan/status/891532696412983296

    Now, I don't know if that is another Twins trade involving Jaime Garcia that is "close" or not, but the wording certainly indicates that it should happen relatively quickly, probably even on Sunday. Passan followed up by saying that if the Yankees acquire Garcia, it won't stop them from pursuing the A's Sonny Gray.

    According to Jon Morosi, the Twins might be interested in RHP Zack Littell. MLB.com has him ranked as the Yankees #22 prospect.

    https://twitter.com/jonmorosi/status/891536180663025664

    Littell has split this season between High-A Tampa and AA Trenton. Combined, he is 14-1 with a 1.87 ERA. He's also 5-0 with a 2.05 ERA in seven starts in AA. Seems intriguing at least. The 21-year-old was the Mariners 11th round pick in 2013 out of high school in North Carolina and traded to the Yankees in a minor deal in 2016. And... just because it's fun... his middle name is Stuart...

    It appears that Jaime Garcia will likely be the guy we remember for making one start with the Twins, and it was a Quality Start and a Win.

    Garcia is a free agent at the end of the season. Likewise, Brandon Kintzler is also, and there are several teams showing interest in his services. Of course, when the Twins had a save situation on Saturday night, Kintzler was left in the bullpen. He has pitched a lot of late, including 26 pitches a night earlier. So that was the reasoning given for him not coming into the game, and it is certainly real. But, if the Twins are looking to deal him, not pitching him is likely the best strategy.

    The Twins will not face Sonny Gray on Sunday in the series finale with the A's. The team says that he's being pushed back to Monday, but we all know it is because he's going to be traded by then.

    Along with Kintzler and Garcia, it's possible that teams will be interested in Matt Belisle as well since he is a free agent at season's end too.

    Ervin Santana rumors slowed down some on Saturday. Houston still seems like the one team that might make some sense. It feels to me like Santana is the fall back plan for the teams to go after when they realize that they won't get one of the big fish (like Gray, Darvish).

    And, there has been little talk of Brian Dozier at this point. That, of course, could change at any point.

    (Again, this article will be updated as any rumors about the Twins come out. Please use the comments to discuss said rumors and your thoughts on them. If nothing else, the trade deadline should be very interesting for Twins fans.)

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      On 7/30/2017 at 1:49 PM, twinsbaby said:

    Ok, please ask fred guerrero what the type prospect Yona can be in his eyes. Let's go right now.

    For reference, that prospect's name is Ynoa. Pronunciation: \ee-know-uh\ from b-ref.com, in case that helps remember. It detracts from credibility to keep misspelling the name of the guy you are touting.

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    Anyone else think that Santana to the Astros for a package around David Paulino could make a lot of sense? 

     

    23-year-old starter with a 92-98 mph fastball and a plus curve.  He was a consensus top 100 prospect before testing positive for PEDs earlier this month.  BA had him #51, for example.  This seems like a good time to buy low on a guy and get someone who's a good bet to replace Santana's production in the rotation right away next season.   

     

     

    Maybe something like: 

    RHP David Paulino (org rank #8)

    3B J.D. Davis (org rank #15 - in AAA, blocked in system. Can play 1B too. Twins need RH bat)

    RHP Jorge Alcala (org rank #26 - starting pitcher in A+, potential #3 starter, lottery ticket type) 

     

     

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      On 7/30/2017 at 5:20 PM, olivia11 said:
    Anyone else think that Santana to the Astros for a package around David Paulino could make a lot of sense? 

     

    23-year-old starter with a 92-98 mph fastball and a plus curve.  He was a consensus top 100 prospect before testing positive for PEDs earlier this month.  BA had him #51, for example.  This seems like a good time to buy low on a guy and get someone who's a good bet to replace Santana's production in the rotation right away next season.   

     

     

    Maybe something like: 

    RHP David Paulino (org rank #8)

    3B J.D. Davis (org rank #15 - in AAA, blocked in system. Can play 1B too. Twins need RH bat)

    RHP Jorge Alcala (org rank #26 - starting pitcher in A+, potential #3 starter, lottery ticket type)

     

    I don't think Paulino can be traded while he is serving his 80 game suspension

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      On 7/30/2017 at 6:14 PM, Cory Engelhardt said:

    I don't think Paulino can be traded while he is serving his 80 game suspension

     

    Oh that's a good point.  Didn't think about that.  Maybe could be worked around as the PTBNL.  

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      On 7/30/2017 at 1:27 PM, olivia11 said:

    Ynoa's scouting report suggested that if everything went right he would be a back-of-the-rotation starter in 4-5 years.  Littell profiles as a #4 and could debut in the majors next year.  Plus Littell fits in with the Romero & Gonsalves time frame really well.  If Falvey and Levine are really considering 2019-2022 as the big winning window, then I like that they're targeting guys who can be a part of that. 

     

    I really like this move.  

     

    White Sox just called.  They just put in a claim for 2019-2022 as their winning window in the AL Central. 

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      On 7/30/2017 at 5:20 PM, olivia11 said:

    Anyone else think that Santana to the Astros for a package around David Paulino could make a lot of sense? 

     

    23-year-old starter with a 92-98 mph fastball and a plus curve.  He was a consensus top 100 prospect before testing positive for PEDs earlier this month.  BA had him #51, for example.  This seems like a good time to buy low on a guy and get someone who's a good bet to replace Santana's production in the rotation right away next season.   

     

     

    Maybe something like: 

    RHP David Paulino (org rank #8)

    3B J.D. Davis (org rank #15 - in AAA, blocked in system. Can play 1B too. Twins need RH bat)

    RHP Jorge Alcala (org rank #26 - starting pitcher in A+, potential #3 starter, lottery ticket type) 

     

    If that was on the table, I think Falvine takes it and runs. I sure would.

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      On 7/30/2017 at 9:56 PM, SF Twins Fan said:

     

    Could the Twins have a new trade partner for Dozier?  Any specific prospects from Arizona that people are excited about?

     

    They have a couple decent pitching options, but their system lacks high ceilings.

     

    https://www.minorleagueball.com/2017/7/23/15961538/mid-season-review-arizona-diamondbacks-top-20-prospects-for-2017

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    Deal Kintzler for the best offer and get Curtiss up to close right now.  He's hot and we need to see what he's got.  A veteran closer is a luxury we can't afford right now, particularly one who will be a FA in two months.

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    At this point, I believe you will see a lot of roster shuffling and open auditions over August and September. And not just the obvious names like Garver, Granitem Hildenberger and Busentiz sticking around. You coukd see Vielma, Reed, Curtiss and others. Might even see some of the AA staff get some innings in. Turley in a RP role wouldn't shock me.

     

    Pressly in Kintzler's role, if traded, would give me palpitations but not an aneurysm. (As bad as his season has been why not use him the same way in the 9th for a game or two to see how he responds)?

     

    The whole point is, the season long trial and error and evaluation period kicks up a notch to gain ML experience, challenge and evaluate a few guys for next season 40 man spots, and so the FO can have a more perspective for off season moves.

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      On 7/31/2017 at 3:20 AM, ahart10 said:

    I'd be happy if Gimenez was a dfa. I don't see value.

    Agreed.  I don't care what kind of positive influence he is in the clubhouse.  As a whole, our shabby pitching staff is worse when he catches & he is once again below the Mendoza Line at the plate.  It makes zero sense to leave a 26-year old Mitch Garver languishing in AAA in favor of Gimenez.  He needs to get his feet wet now in order to serve as our RH half of a catching platoon for next year and beyond.    

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    My Predictions for our pieces if traded on Monday:

    Kintzler to the Brewers for Marcos Diplan (We eat all of Kintzlers $$)

    Santana to the Astros for Franklin Perez and Cionel Perez, (and if we eat $$ Alcala)

    Escobar to the DBacks for Anthony Banda and Christian Walker

    Rosario to the Dodgers for Gavin Lux and Jordan Sheffield

    Grossman to the Rays for Resly Linares

    Dozier to the Dodgers, Rockies, DBacks, Rays, or Brewers this offseason...unless the Rockies offer Pint and change or the Rays offer Adames or Honeywell (Which they won't)

     

    Thoughts??

     

     

     

     

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      On 7/30/2017 at 12:23 PM, hybridbear said:

    Others teams, like the Dodgers and now Boston with Price, are using the 10 day DL to give players a break or rest when they're slumping. Why the heck haven't the Twins put Polanco on the 10 day DL as a way to send him on a "rehab assignment" to AAA to help him get things figured out?

    Should have been done weeks ago. A 10-day DL stint followed by rehab and bring him back after 9/1. It's not hard. 

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      On 7/31/2017 at 3:42 AM, butterspud said:

    My Predictions for our pieces if traded on Monday:

    Kintzler to the Brewers for Marcos Diplan (We eat all of Kintzlers $$)

    Santana to the Astros for Franklin Perez and Cionel Perez, (and if we eat $$ Alcala)

    Escobar to the DBacks for Anthony Banda and Christian Walker

    Rosario to the Dodgers for Gavin Lux and Jordan Sheffield

    Grossman to the Rays for Resly Linares

    Dozier to the Dodgers, Rockies, DBacks, Rays, or Brewers this offseason...unless the Rockies offer Pint and change or the Rays offer Adames or Honeywell (Which they won't)

     

    Thoughts??

    I think Kintzler and Escobar (possibly Gimenez) get dealt

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      On 7/31/2017 at 12:25 AM, diehardtwinsfan said:

    yeah, I'd honestly flip Gimenez for org filler just to get Garver up. He's ready.

     

    Gimenez has no value. He's average on D and hits .190. Just say thanks for your veteran presence and DFA him already. 

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    To me, the players most likely traded will be making room for guys the team wants up from AAA. Trading Kintzler and Gimenez makes room for Curtiss and Garver. We also might see Slegers up after the Garcia trade. 

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      On 7/31/2017 at 3:42 AM, butterspud said:

    My Predictions for our pieces if traded on Monday:

    Kintzler to the Brewers for Marcos Diplan (We eat all of Kintzlers $$)

    Santana to the Astros for Franklin Perez and Cionel Perez, (and if we eat $$ Alcala)

    Escobar to the DBacks for Anthony Banda and Christian Walker

    Rosario to the Dodgers for Gavin Lux and Jordan Sheffield

    Grossman to the Rays for Resly Linares

    Dozier to the Dodgers, Rockies, DBacks, Rays, or Brewers this offseason...unless the Rockies offer Pint and change or the Rays offer Adames or Honeywell (Which they won't)

     

    Thoughts??

     

    I doubt this many pieces get moved. I'd be surprised if more than 2 guys are moved.

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      On 7/31/2017 at 5:02 AM, howeda7 said:

    Gimenez has no value. He's average on D and hits .190. Just say thanks for your veteran presence and DFA him already. 

    This is probably fairly close to the truth. I know backup catchers seem to get underrated (Butera, Herrmann, Murphy), but Gimenez has already bounced around quite a bit and it generally hasn't been by trade. Claimed on waivers twice, traded for "future considerations" once, purchased once.

     

    I could see him being a third catcher for the stretch drive somewhere, but that would likely have to wait until September 1st.  Likewise we could wait for a catching injury, but that might take all month too.  I'd prefer just to have Garver up now.  But I am guessing Gimenez plays out the season here, Garver gets in a few games in September, and then Gimenez (or some equivalent) is brought in on another minor league deal for next spring.

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