Twins Game Recap (8/23): Berríos, Bullpen Can’t Hold Baseball’s Worst Offense

He should have taken out Berrios once he loaded the bases. Lose 2 of 3 to the White Sox and now to Detroit, hapless,pathetic. Good for Sano and Cave, but...

Rocco's confidence in Berrios to work himself out of jams after the 5th is mystifying. He gets burned yet again.

I hate that he's not removing pitchers. Put two on, you are gone. Let someone else give up the homerun.

The hitting displays are fun when things are going but even in this super ball era you still can’t out-hit mediocre pitching. If they limp into the playoffs as-is they’d get absolutely embarrassed with their one-dimensional sideshow. At least the long ball still sells tickets.

To Whom it May Concern,

We are getting loose.....very loose....just thought you aught to know....We are not the experts, but we think we need more Pitching, Staring this off season.

Love,

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I actually kind of feel for Baldelli a bit as well. If he's a competitive guy, and I'm sure he is as he has been in baseball most of his life, he has to be FURIOUS right now. He certainly controls himself quite admirably.

We all know he needs to retain a positive outlook and stay with a positive message. However, I have to wonder, realistically, how much he and the coaching staff can and are doing with the cards they were dealt.

It isn't a real lead until our staff has given it up.  Disgraceful.  Far worse than losing to Giolito and Abreu.

Go ahead, somebody try to tell us again that it is not pitching (or lack thereof) that wins games.  Evidence to the contrary has been mounting since the extra-inning loss to the Yankees.

If Castro keeps his foot on the bag before Cave's first dinger, and today's pitchers give up just two fewer runs, the game is tied in the 9th on Cave's second jack.  The team has the offense to make up two runs in any given inning.  Berrios was done when the bases were loaded, and everybody knew it.  Why Harper was left in to pitch the top of the 9th is difficult to comprehend.

Two takeaways: 

• Twins pitchers do not deserve the offensive support they are receiving.  Batters should be demanding better from them.
• It is up to Baldelli and Johnson to get the most from this stable of arms.  Thus far they are not.

The hitting displays are fun when things are going but even in this super ball era you still can’t out-hit mediocre pitching. If they limp into the playoffs as-is they’d get absolutely embarrassed with their one-dimensional sideshow. At least the long ball still sells tickets.

.....This is what happens when you hold on to your precious prospects too tight and not get Minor at the deadline.

To expand...it is a fallacy to assume that we are entering some 3-7 year window of superiority in the central division just because we have a good young hitting core and Cleveland appears to be close to a reset......

The White Sox have some amazing young talent and there is absolutely a risk that they will slam our window shut abruptly starting the year after next. We should have started going for THIS PAST trade deadline.

But unfortunately the Twins model is to strive for extended stretches of above-average-ness to maximize the revenue to cost ratio....not win championships....this will not change unless fans speak through ticket sales.

For an example of how fans can take action....see Redskins, Washington

I like Baldelli,  I think he's done a pretty good job, but we're in the thick of a pennant race now, and things like game management have to be adjusted. It's not April or May anymore. This is the time for games we need to win, not lessons we need to learn.

Berrios should have been pulled after those first couple of runners got on. Period. Showing confidence, whatever, be damned. That's just bad management. It kind of goes along with the question of why 34 home runs and .333 OPB is in the leadoff spot, and 3 home runs and .405 OBP is hitting 5th in the order, at this late date. Those hitters need to be switched, like a month and a half ago.

The fact that this management team missed out on both Stroman and Minor at the deadline is coming back to bite us, hard. Good luck with all the 40-man decisions at the end of this season, and watch us lose some guys for nothing that we could have dealt for real help this year.

Or maybe I'm just being a little pessimistic...

An unacceptable loss. Put Berrios on the IL and release Harper. Get Littell and Smeltzer up. And get Arreaz into the lead-off spot and Kepler to 4th immediately. Thsi should be a no-brainer. 

Ultimately the front office's trade deadline cowardice is their undoing. But there's always 2024. 

This game was sooooooo frustrating and is like a warning light that illuminates on your dashboard telling you that there's a real problem. This team has been stumbling and bumbling for far too long. CLE, OAK and TB are better teams with strong momentum, which does not bode well for the Twins' playoff aspirations.   

Yes, I think that the consensus is that it’s time for Rocco and the FO to make some hard decisions about what we want to accomplish this year.

For instance, If we DFA’d all those relievers before the deadline, what is Harper still doing on this roster? We’ve plenty of guys who can give up 2 runs down in AAA.

Also, this babying of Berríos is equally mystifying. Here is a man who doesn’t want to be good; he wants to be the best, he has high expectations for himself. With that in mind, he needs a good kick in the rear and he needs to be told that doing the same thing is not working and he needs to change. All pitchers go through this; the great ones figure out how to change and then grow from it....but it won’t happen if we just pat him on the head and tell him he’s great.

The only good thing about the game is that it was in the middle of the night for me, so I couldn’t watch it! :-)

As often happens to guys with gimmicky approach it seems the league has figured out Harper. Guys without great stuff can find success for a while if they have an unusual pitch mix, but once opposing scouts find their weaknesses it can go bad in a hurry. I'm afraid the Harper isn't fooling anyone anymore.

The homestand where the Twins were going to make hay while the sun was shining has taken off to a 1-3 thud. When do they push the panic button on Berrios and make some tweaks?

I maintain that Berrios is worn out and needs a 10 IL reprise. His velocity is not as good as it was earlier in the year. Maybe they should focus on him becoming a 5 inning pitcher like Odo and just throw 94-95 instead of 91-93.

His command is off too. He was lucky to get out of the first 2 innings with no runs given up. He is giving up way too many hits.

As for Harper, I think he should be sent down for the rest of the year. It was fun while it lasted for him this year. 

To Whom it May Concern,

 

We are getting loose.....very loose....just thought you aught to know....We are not the experts, but we think we need more Pitching, Staring this off season.

 

Love,

Your Hubcaps

The wheels on the bus go round and round.

An unacceptable loss. Put Berrios on the IL and release Harper. Get Littell and Smeltzer up. And get Arreaz into the lead-off spot and Kepler to 4th immediately. Thsi should be a no-brainer. 

 

 

What he said.

I do honestly feel bad for the fans that have been going to the games at Target Field. Watching the game on my TV from Bismarck and being disappointed is a little bit different from a fan spending good money at the ballpark and not seeing decent baseball for a very long stretch. 

That's one way to look at it....but I think many people would enjoy being outside on a Friday night in downtown Minneapolis at a ballgame, rather than on a couch in Bismark, ND. Not knocking your living room, just saying sometimes there's more to it. I went to one game last year. Twins lost to KC and Aaron Slegers was pitching. Overall it was bad baseball, but I still remember the night fondly.

As often happens to guys with gimmicky approach it seems the league has figured out Harper. Guys without great stuff can find success for a while if they have an unusual pitch mix, but once opposing scouts find their weaknesses it can go bad in a hurry. I'm afraid the Harper isn't fooling anyone anymore.

Bingo. Harper's the 2019 version of Trevor Hildenberger.

Does anyone else kind of have the feeling this year that the fun that we are supposed to be having in a pennant race is just not there? I don't know. It just isn't as fun as it supposed to be this year. I guess it has a lot to do with poor defense and bad baseball. I'm the kind of fan that likes to see my team play a nice crisp game. Doesn't it seem like we have had very few crisp, solid games this year? I know I enjoyed the teams in the 2000s a whole lot more even with far less homers. 

I think the reason this isn't fun is because the Twins once held such a huge lead. Twins were 11.5 games ahead and cruising. The lead is now 2 games, and the Twins are dropping series at home to Chicago and Detroit. They're on the brink of what would be a historic collapse. They had a chance to go get starting pitching help at the deadline and didn't do it. The pitching staff is giving up 8-9 runs per game regularly while Cleveland inches closer and wild card teams like Tampa and Oakland gain more ground.

For the teams chasing the Twins, this is fun. For Twins fans, its nervewracking and frustrating.

Yesterday was Friday, August 23.  It was the 128th game of the year putting the Twins 79% of the way through the season.  The Twins hit 4 home runs upping their record-breaking season total to 248 home runs.  They are now only 20 home runs short of setting a new single-season MLB record.