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  • Trade Retrospective: Which Team Won the Kenta Maeda Trade?


    Cody Christie

    Kenta Maeda is going under the knife today after a somewhat disappointing 2021 season. The extent of the injury will be known when the surgery is complete. (Editor's Update: Maeda had Tommy John surgery on Wednesday.) So, two seasons after the deal, can we answer yet which team won the Kenta Maeda trade?

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    Minnesota had many reasons to be interested in trading for Kenta Maeda before the 2020 season. He had shown positive signs during his time in Los Angeles, and the Dodgers had an influx of starting pitching. He pitched over 125 innings in each of his first four big-league seasons, but the team tended to move him to a bullpen role as the season came to a close.

    Injury concerns might have been one of the reasons the Dodgers tried to limit Maeda’s innings. (At least that sounds better than trying to limit how much they had to pay him.) When he initially signed from Japan, his physical exam revealed “irregularities” in his right elbow. At the time, MLB.com said, “the strong suspicion is that he will need Tommy John reconstruction at some point.”

    This prognosis resulted in a very team-friendly eight-year contract which guaranteed Maeda a minimum of $25 million with a chance to be worth over $106 million. This gave the Dodgers some wiggle room if Maeda did go under the knife. He pitched over 600 innings for the Dodgers, and they went on multiple World Series runs, and his elbow wasn’t an issue.

    Team-controlled starting pitching is one of baseball’s most valuable assets, so Maeda was an easy target for the Twins. His team-friendly deal was a positive, and he hadn’t shown any injury concerns up to this point. Any team trading for a player gets access to their medical records, so there must not have been anything out of the ordinary regarding Maeda’s physical. Plus, the Twins saw their winning window was open, and Maeda helped make the team better.

    Maeda provided Minnesota with everything they wanted and more during his first season with the club. He finished runner-up for the Cy Young Award after a dominating season where he posted a 2.70 ERA and an MLB-leading 0.75 WHIP. He struck out 80 batters in 66 2/3 innings while only issuing ten walks.

    From the other perspective, Brusdar Graterol has pitched less than 50 innings for the Dodgers. He has posted a 3.50 ERA with 33 strikeouts in 46 1/3 innings. Graterol makes hitting triple-digits look easy, but he has yet to develop into a dominant late-inning reliever. He won’t be arbitration-eligible until 2023, and he can’t reach free agency until 2026, so there is plenty of time for the 22-year-old to develop.

    Two minor league players and a draft pick were also part of this trade. Luke Raley went back to LA after initially being part of the Brian Dozier trade. He has 30 big-league games under his belt, and he has hit .169/.246/.237 with two extra-base hits. He has mashed with a .982 OPS at Triple-A this season, and 29 extra-base hits in 58 games. The Dodger also received a 2020 competitive balance round pick (66th overall), which they used to select Clayton Beeter. He has been used in an opener style role this season while posting a 2.89 ERA and a 1.12 WHIP with 13.8 K/9. Minnesota received Jair Camargo, who has hit .233/.281/.452 with 21 extra-base hits at High-A Cedar Rapids this year.  

    Maeda’s recent injury news means there is a good chance he misses all of the 2022 season, and that might be the season Minnesota needs him the most. Also, a missed season means the next time he steps on the mound will be during his age-35 campaign.

    So what do you think? Which team do you think won the trade, or is it still too early to judge?

    Leave a COMMENT and start the discussion. 

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    3 hours ago, Dodecahedron said:

    This is a fairly even trade, really.  No one won, no one lost.  Yet.

    Ultimately, nothing changed with either team by this trade.  The Twins still laid an egg in the playoffs, the Dodgers still barreled over everybody.  Thus, no winners, no losers.

    I suppose you could say the Twins "won" by making a move that allowed them to stay in the same position, if you wanted to go that way.  But then, the Dodgers "won" by the same token.....

    With Maeda riding the pine for 2022 and the other players continuing to improve, it's unlikely the trade remains even for much longer.

    • Twins = 3.8 fWAR and a near Cy Young starting pitcher in a season they went to the playoffs.
    • Dodgers = 0.5 fWAR middle innings relief pitcher.

    Definitely equal so far. I'm not even sure why people want to debate this. Even if Graterol somehow becomes a pitcher who can actually strike guys out and hit his spots, he's also going to have to become a pitcher who shows up to Spring Training in good enough shape to be part of the team. On top of that, he's never going to catch up to Maeda's value added if Graterol remains a reliever and given his lack of commitment to conditioning and lack of a 3rd pitch, that's not happening.

    The Graterol Kool-Aid was strong on Twins fans sites, but ultimately, he's not the next Aroldis Chapman, just the next Jim Hoey. If Graterol has a 5.0 WAR career, I'd be surprised.

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    12 minutes ago, bean5302 said:
    • Twins = 3.8 fWAR and a near Cy Young starting pitcher in a season they went to the playoffs.
    • Dodgers = 0.5 fWAR middle innings relief pitcher.

    Definitely equal so far. I'm not even sure why people want to debate this. Even if Graterol somehow becomes a pitcher who can actually strike guys out and hit his spots, he's also going to have to become a pitcher who shows up to Spring Training in good enough shape to be part of the team. On top of that, he's never going to catch up to Maeda's value added if Graterol remains a reliever and given his lack of commitment to conditioning and lack of a 3rd pitch, that's not happening.

    The Graterol Kool-Aid was strong on Twins fans sites, but ultimately, he's not the next Aroldis Chapman, just the next Jim Hoey. If Graterol has a 5.0 WAR career, I'd be surprised.

    Sure, WAR one way to look at it, and is probably the most predictable way.  I would prefer to look at how the teams actually changed due to the trade.  Neither team changed.  Sure, the Twins had to make this trade to tread water and stay the same.  I'm not sure that's a win.

    Don't forget this piece of the "trade":

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    The Dodger also received a 2020 competitive balance round pick (66th overall), which they used to select Clayton Beeter. He has been used in an opener style role this season while posting a 2.89 ERA and a 1.12 WHIP with 13.8 K/9.

    Beeter might end up being better than both Maeda and Graterol.

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    4 hours ago, Brock Beauchamp said:

    Graterol needs to start pitching A LOT better very quickly if he’s going to top Maeda’s career 13 fWAR. It’s really quite difficult to accumulate value as a reliever. For example, even someone like Craig Kimbrel has only 19 career fWAR. 

    I meant better career from the trade date. That said, I wouldn't be surprised if Graterol surpassed Maeda's career WAR (either b-r or fangraphs). It's mostly a question of innings. But as you know from this past off-season, I was the low man on Maeda even before this season. Still, I think the trade made sense for both teams.

    (I also see that someone remembered that we threw in a draft pick. I had forgotten that. That's two picks this FO has traded away. I hate that.)

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    52 minutes ago, gunnarthor said:

    I meant better career from the trade date. That said, I wouldn't be surprised if Graterol surpassed Maeda's career WAR (either b-r or fangraphs). It's mostly a question of innings. But as you know from this past off-season, I was the low man on Maeda even before this season. Still, I think the trade made sense for both teams.

    (I also see that someone remembered that we threw in a draft pick. I had forgotten that. That's two picks this FO has traded away. I hate that.)

    Ah, in that case, Graterol definitely has the advantage due to service time, doubly so now that Maeda is out for 9-12 months.

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    18 hours ago, bean5302 said:
    • Twins = 3.8 fWAR and a near Cy Young starting pitcher in a season they went to the playoffs.
    • Dodgers = 0.5 fWAR middle innings relief pitcher.

    Definitely equal so far. I'm not even sure why people want to debate this

    Is there some faulty construction here? If you are going to state what the Twins did in the playoffs, shouldn’t you state what the Dodgers did in the playoffs?

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    1 minute ago, Hosken Bombo Disco said:

    Is there some faulty construction here? If you are going to state what the Twins did in the playoffs, shouldn’t you state what the Dodgers did in the playoffs?

    Maybe, but Maeda wasn't the reason the Twins lost and Graterol wasn't the reason the Dodgers won.

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    Just to echo what others have said, it’s the Twins, and it’s not particularly close. The raw WAR totals both players have put up the last two seasons are far apart: 3.7 for Maeda to 0.5 for Graterol. Graterol will likely add to that before hitting free agency, but the Twins got a Chance Young runner up in a playoff year. 

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    You also can't forget what the trade does for each team.  We needed a starter and got one with a very team friendly risk averse deal.  The Dodgers traded away a situation where they couldn't deliver on a promise to get this player more starts than he wanted or deserved.  They got rid of a problem before it became a clubhouse problem.  Also the Dodgers got a minimum cost player to put in mid relief as they have too many making millions of dollars so this is a way to help balance that for them.  

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    At the moment I see the trade as win-win for both teams. Starters are more valuable but a good reliever with longevity is not chopped liver.

    While I agree with those who say that purpose of trading is not to "win" them each and every time, I do think that retrospectives like this are valuable - you want your team to do good stewardship of its resources, and constantly overpaying even for good talent in return will eventually take its toll. Graterol for Maeda looks equitable; Gil for Cave, for example, does not.

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