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    John  Bonnes

    The primary drama for the Twins-Phillies game on Monday surrounded Twins starting pitcher Mike Pelfrey looking to stake his claim on the last spot in the Twins rotation. The Phillies did their part to make the litmus test feel real. Their lineup featured Ben Revere, Chase Utley, Ryan Howard and Carlos Ruiz in the top five spots. So how did Pelfrey do?

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    He was "OK." He described it as such. He didn't dominate (only two strikeouts amid seven hits and two walks in 4.2 IP) but also didn't give up many runs (only two, and only one was earned). His control wasn't terrible, but it also wasn't stellar. He was hurt by his defense. (Eduardo Nunez had and error and a couple he probably could have fielded.) He was also helped by it. (Eduardo Escobar and Reynaldo Rodriguez both made wonderful plays, and Escobar's probably saved more runs.)

    In short, it wasn't the dominant game he probably wanted to lay sole claim to the job of fifth starter with, nor was it a step backwards. Both he and Twins Manager Paul Molitor said he "battled" and that's about right. When asked about the competition for fifth starter, Pelfrey deferred and talked about how he's just happy to feel healthy. "I feel good. In 2013, I came back from Tommy John in eleven months for opening day. Maybe it was too early," said Pelfrey. "Last year, it faded off pretty quick. But I feel good again. I expect good things to happen - to be successful - when I feel good. At the end of they day, as long as I feel good, no matter what happens, so be it."

    So this was not a knockout. Instead, it looks like we're going to have at least one more round as Molitor said after the game that both pitchers competing against Pelfrey, Tommy Milone and Trevor Mays, will get another start this week. It is not clear if both would start on the same day - both of them should have their next turn on Thursday. If that happens, one would need to start in one of the minor league games. But the Twins could bump one of them back a day to Friday - the day that Phil Hughes is scheduled to pitch - and have Hughes throw to minor leaguers instead.

    Whatever the decision, Molitor doesn't seem to be overly worried that he isn't going to be stuck with someone who isn't prepared. He finished his postgame talk by saying "I like my options."

    Escobar's Day

    Last night I wrote that we should trust Eduardo Escobar's bat more than we do, so today he struck out in his first three at-bats. He had only struck out twice over 32 at-bats in spring training prior to today. However, he made two very good defensive plays at third base. In the first inning, he started a double play that Molitor talked about at length, praising Escobar's patience.

    "On the first double play, we try to preach a lot: don't let the speed of the ball speed you up," reflected Molitor. "That was a play with a left-hand hitter, where the double play wasn't there yet. A lot of time, that guy catches that ball and turns and fires and there's nobody there yet, but he let the play kind of develop, and it made it close at first [base], but that was the right way to go about it."

    Then, in the second inning, following a two-run home run, the Phillies got runners on the corners with only one out. Ben Revere hit a hot grounder down the third base line where Escobar was playing inside the bag, but he ranged to the line, speared it, and caught the runner off base after an efficient run down. Pelfrey's outing might have looked a lot worse if not for that play.

    By the way, Molitor also had Escobar play a little in the outfield in the late innings today. He did not get a chance to field a fly ball.

    "A Real Fine Play"

    Escobar's play was topped the next innings when Twins first baseman Reynaldo Rodriguez dove and speared a hot grounder by Chase Utley, turning it into a leadoff out. When Reynaldo came up to bat at the top of the next frame, there was a memorable scene.

    One of the beer vendors at the Phillies park has a resonating voice that you can hear throughout the park. When Reynaldo was batting, the vendor happened to be working the aisle right behind home plate and had made it all the way to the bottom, right next to the netting. Midway between yelling "Water! Soda! Beer!" he looked up, saw Rodriguez and boomed "That was a REAL FINE PLAY at first base. JUST GREAT." Not only did Rodriguez hear him - he was only about 10 yards away - but I bet Aaron Hicks heard him in center field. Hell, Eddie Rosario might have heard him, and he didn't make the trip to Clearwater.

    Rodriguez just looked around as if thinking "Am I not in the middle of an at-bat here?"

    One More Defensive Play

    As Pelfrey was battling, trying to get through the fifth inning, the leadoff hitter laid down a successful bunt single. Suddenly, a tiring Pelfrey was faced with a speedster on first and Utley, Howard and Ruiz coming up to bat. Utley laced a line drive to deep right-center field but (at least from my angle behind home plate) it looked like Hicks got a great jump on the ball and raced it down. I asked Molitor about it after the game and Molitor thought he might have started to turn the wrong way but caught up to it. "We all know he can play the position out there."

    Center Field Battle

    Hicks started in center field, made that catch, but went 0-2 with a strikeout. He was facing a right-hander. Shane Robinson also made the trip and started in right field. He went 1-3 but also drew a walk. Before the game, I asked Twins general manager Terry Ryan if the Twins felt that Rosario or Hicks would need to play every day to make the 25-man roster. "You could give it some thought with Hicks," replied Ryan, "but I don't see falling into that situation at all. If he's going to be on this team, he's going to have to be a player." I got the sense the Twins are resistant to that idea for Hicks and dead set against it with Rosario.

    Boyer Continues To Roll

    Blaine Boyer relieved Pelfrey and continued his streak of strong pitching. He got through 1.1 innings on 14 pitches, and Molitor wanted to bring him back for one more inning, so Boyer had to bat in the National League park. It was not a comfortable moment. "I was just saying 'Don't get hurt. Don't get hurt,'" grinned Molitor.

    He didn't, by the way. He grounded out.

    Boyer is an interesting dark horse candidate to make the bullpen. The 33-year-old right-hander retired from baseball in 2012 but then went to play in Japan in 2013 and came back to play with the Padres last year. He's on a minor league deal. He hasn't posted impressive strikeout numbers - just 6.9 K/9 last year in San Diego - but was very effective with only 8 walks in 40.1 innings and a 1.04 WHIP (walks + hits divided by innings pitched). For reference, the only Twins pitchers that matched that WHIP were ... nobody. Not Phil Hughes. Not Glen Perkins. Nobody.

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    "So this was not a knockout. Instead, it looks like we're going to have at least one more round as Molitor said after the game that both pitchers competing against Pelfrey, Tommy Milone and Trevor Mays, will get another start this week."

     

    hmmmmm........so what does this mean exactly?   The way this statement is phrased it almost sounds like Pelfrey is the front runner.  Boy i hope not.

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    "So this was not a knockout. Instead, it looks like we're going to have at least one more round as Molitor said after the game that both pitchers competing against Pelfrey, Tommy Milone and Trevor Mays, will get another start this week."

     

    hmmmmm........so what does this mean exactly?   The way this statement is phrased it almost sounds like Pelfrey is the front runner.  Boy i hope not.

    +1, A couple days ago it sounded like Malone was the front-runner? Personally, I'd give Malone a shot with a very short leash to May and Meyer.

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    He hasn't posted impressive strikeout numbers - just 6.9 K/9 last year in San Diego - but was very effective with only 8 walks in 40.1 innings and a 1.04 WHIP (walks + hits divided by innings pitched). For reference, the only Twins pitchers that matched that WHIP were ... nobody. Not Phil Hughes. Not Glen Perkins. Nobody.

     

    Well, OK then... with these numbers, why weren't there 30 teams knocking down his door?  We all know the answer. Looking at the bottom of the Fangraphs RP for least K/9-rate list, here are some birds of a feather:

     

    28 Jared Burton Twins  6.47 

    29 Blaine Boyer Padres   6.47

    30 Caleb Thielbar Twins  6.61

     

    Welcome home, Blaine!

     

    But then again, Ryan seems to come up with one of these reclamation RPs each year.  I predicted he'd be gone by March 31, now it looks like he's got a good chance to make the club.

     

    Even with better control than Burton, I still don't see how he's going to be an improvement over, or even match what Burton did.  (While Burton was even in low leverage IP and med/hi leverage IP, the vast majority of Boyer's innings pitched was in low leverage situations)

     

     

     

     

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    Great article. Thanks John.

     

    I really wonder if May has a chance against Pelf & Milone. I'd really like May to get the ball, but unless he is unquestionably, unrealistically better I suspect we'll see one or both of the other guys penciled in before him.

     

    Or maybe not. There is, after all, a new coach in town...

     

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    And right now, Boyer interests me more than Stauffer who has exactly ONE solid appearance. I hope the Stauffer signing pays off. And if it does I'll root like crazy for him. But I have to say I'm disappointed that the younger prospects have fallen by the wayside, even though they mostly outperformed him to this point.

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    A battle is exactly what we want and need isn't it? Like last season, when just about everyone figured Gibson would begin the season in Rochester, there was a battle and the right guy, the young guy, made the club.

    The guys that Gibson beat were not making a combined $8 million, though...

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    I am intrigued by Pelfrey and his "new" arm.   He is the same height as Meyer and Randy Johnson so the same issues about control and maturation should apply to him as well.   I always thought he had plenty of stuff to succeed.   I am intrigued by Milone but think his ceiling would be what his career has been which is decent for a 5th starter.   Intrigued by those guys and will root for them if they start out the season but am excited about May and will hopefully root for him for most of the season.

     

    Anyone see Pelfrey pitch this year?   I take it all back if he hasn't picked up the pace.

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    I am intrigued by Pelfrey and his "new" arm.   He is the same height as Meyer and Randy Johnson so the same issues about control and maturation should apply to him as well.   I always thought he had plenty of stuff to succeed.   I am intrigued by Milone but think his ceiling would be what his career has been which is decent for a 5th starter.   Intrigued by those guys and will root for them if they start out the season but am excited about May and will hopefully root for him for most of the season.

     

    Anyone see Pelfrey pitch this year?   I take it all back if he hasn't picked up the pace.

     

    Yeah I see a lot Randy Johnson in Pelfrey. I'm hopeful with his velocity and the way he slings the ball he could kill a bird like Johnson did. 

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    I got to believe that Pelfry or Malone are on the trading block this spring and one of them will be dealt to another club. My guess is its Pelfry and that why they are only talking starting for him as a pitcher. The number of teams that have already lost pitching this spring I can't but help they will be able to move him and get prospect for the future for him. I look at starting pitching and its at premium to find capable pitching to fill in rotation. Malone the The Twins want to keep because they have nobody else ready as left hander in system for couple years ready. I believe Mays will be pitching with the Twins this year if not out of spring training but soon this year he may be the Twins 3 best starter before years over.

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    By the way, Molitor also had Escobar play a little in the outfield in the late innings today. He did not get a chance to field a fly ball.

    See, I knew it.

     

    We're going to get more infielders in the outfield. Only the one guy who could actually stick - Santana, hasn't logged an inning out there.

     

    Molitor seems to be buying into the labels of these two players as much as the fans.

     

    I don't see how the answer to all the Twins woes - right down to how to handle Hicks and Rosario this spring - is to fill CF with Santana and SS with Escobar. It solves everything.

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    Pelfrey slogged his way through - great.  He was saved by two excellent plays and still he struggled his way through.  Can we find more ways to give faint praise?  It is time to move on. 

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    I'm curious:  How much time would it take to convert Pelfry to relief?  Warmups would be significantly different and so would pitch selection. 

    Per MLBTR

     

     

    “It hasn’t been that big of an issue.  It’s all about routine.  I’m not saying I can’t do it, I’ve just never done it.  I’m a competitor, so I’ll make an adjustment if I need to.  At the end of the day, pitching is still pitching,” Pelfrey explained, while adding that he’s “at peace” with what he’s shown over the past few weeks.

    http://www.mlbtraderumors.com/2015/03/mike-pelfrey-at-peace-with-his-pitching-mets.html

     

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    I'm curious:  How much time would it take to convert Pelfry to relief?  Warmups would be significantly different and so would pitch selection. 

    Pelfrey's pitch selection as a starter: *catcher puts down one finger*

     

    Pelfrey's pitch selection as a reliever: *catcher puts down one finger*

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    I having great difficulty shedding a tear for Pelfrey. Considering....

    Me too. He's made a decent income playing a game he loves.

     

    I've got to think he was allowed to start these games as nothing more than a professional courtesy. He was never going to win the 5th starter job this year. He might find success in the bullpen and change his tune.

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    I bet that before too long, if they don't trade him, he will wind up at AAA as a starter. My guess is that he wishes to remain a starter until such time that in his own mind there is no chance of that. If he has vanilla results in AAA he will be released. I would contend that he should already be in AAA trying to prove he is worthy of a chance at the majors. Not the other way around. There are others with a more realistic chance of helping the team out of the gate.

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    I'm curious:  How much time would it take to convert Pelfry to relief?  Warmups would be significantly different and so would pitch selection. 

     

    Considering how much time Pelfery takes between pitches, his warmups may take two commercial breaks.

     

    Still, the pen's the best place for him.  Let's see if he can dial up that heater a few more MPH.

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    At peace sounds suspiciously like the final stage of grief over one's career as a starting pitcher. :)

     

    It does and he's handling it a lot better than Perkins did when he was told his opportunities as a MLB starter were over.  Of course Perkins greived all the way to a pretty nice payday and a couple All-Star games.  As have many a failed starter.  Here's hoping he makes the most of his opportunity.  And here's also hoping somehow that opportunity may benefit the Twins.

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    It does and he's handling it a lot better than Perkins did when he was told his opportunities as a MLB starter were over. 

    To be fair, Perkins was 27 years old, more or less healthy, and being sent to the minors midseason with no career earnings beyond a couple league minimum checks, and no guaranteed future salaries either.

     

    Pelfrey is 31, has made $30 mil, has missed 2 of the last 3 seasons to injury, has realistically had all offseason and spring to prepare and adjust to a new role, and has yet to accept a demotion.  (And in fact has to power to refuse a minor league assignment, become a free agent, and keep his last $5.5 mil.)

     

    (Agreed Perkins' grievance was pretty frivolous given his performance.  Frankly I am not sure why these guys are so resistant to bullpen work -- it demands a change in routine, but relievers are held in pretty high esteem in modern MLB and are compensated pretty well.)

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    I've got to think he was allowed to start these games as nothing more than a professional courtesy. He was never going to win the 5th starter job this year. He might find success in the bullpen and change his tune.

    I kinda dislike that level of "professional courtesy."  Relievers haven't been the "outcasts" of MLB pitching staffs for a very long time.  Pelfrey and Stauffer are on more than fair free market contracts.  A team should be able to have them work out the pen for the entirely of spring training, if they believe that is the optimal usage for both the player and team.  (And a team shouldn't make role promises when negotiating contracts with this level of pitcher either.)

     

    As it stands, we may have to waste regular season games while Pelfrey experiments and adjusts to his new role (and I wouldn't be surprised to hear Stauffer's spring usage cited as an excuse if he starts slow in the pen this year).

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    No one has been removed from the organization's payroll, have they? Each player is just a phone call away. A trade or two before June and things may look different.

    Absolutely true. And I didn't mean to intimate that careers were suddenly over. I just find it frustrating that Oliveros wasn't 100%, and that some of the other kids could be inconsistent, but not necessarily bad, and a veteran would seem to have a job locked up while pitching just aweful...to this point. I guess this eternal optomist is just frustrated.

     

    But I've said for some time now that the pitching staff, starters and relievers alike, that starts the season is not necessarily the staff that ends the season. Or even is the staff in the second half of the season.

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    Absolutely true. And I didn't mean to intimate that careers were suddenly over. I just find it frustrating that Oliveros wasn't 100%, and that some of the other kids could be inconsistent, but not necessarily bad, and a veteran would seem to have a job locked up while pitching just aweful...to this point. I guess this eternal optomist is just frustrated.

     

    But I've said for some time now that the pitching staff, starters and relievers alike, that starts the season is not necessarily the staff that ends the season. Or even is the staff in the second half of the season.

    I think that right now players with options remaining versus players out of options will dominate the decision making for April. I'm not totally thrilled, but I can understand the impulse by the front office to not throw away resources that can't be gotten back when instead resources that can be gotten back can be stashed.

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    Pelfrey's pitch selection as a starter: *catcher puts down one finger*

     

    Pelfrey's pitch selection as a reliever: *catcher puts down one finger*

    Interesting breakdown!

     

    Just curious, but does the catcher give a thumbs up sign to indicate the pitch should be belt high or above? Or is that simply a given for Pelfrey?

     

    And exactly what and how many fingers are flashed by the catcher to indicate that the ball should be thrown straight? :)

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    Interesting breakdown!

     

    Just curious, but does the catcher give a thumbs up sign to indicate the pitch should be belt high or above? Or is that simply a given for Pelfrey?

     

    And exactly what and how many fingers are flashed by the catcher to indicate that the ball should be thrown straight? :)

    And what is the signal to say wait another 75 seconds before throwing the next pitch?

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    And what is the signal to say wait another 75 seconds before throwing the next pitch?

    John...I'm no expert...but I think that might be the same finger flashed for the "throw it straight" ball.

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