Starting Pitching Trade Partners: Cincinnati Reds

I like those Reds SPs, but I'm not sure what they would want in return. Their C, IF and COF seem pretty set to me, but maybe a trade could be built around Kepler if he could be billed as a CF?

I think if I'm the Twins, I roll with the plan of using 2022 to evaluate my young guns for a run in 2023. I'm not trading pitching prospects for MLB starting pitching. I'm not trading catching depth for starting pitching. I'm not trading Royce for starting pitching (unless it blows me away...young, proven, starting pitching.) 

Ryan, Ober, Winder, Canterino, Balazovic, etc, all get time in the rotation this year. Sure, bring back Pineda and maybe one other veteran to teach and coach those young guys (maybe a future HOFer?)...the Twins are not a playoff team in 2022. But, they are a playoff caliber team in 2023 and beyond if their current crop of young pitching gets seasoned in 2022. 

I had high hopes for a trade with them. But at this point, I don't think the Reds are serious. Unless you offer a ridiculous offer, they're not budging.

I think our best bet is to trade for Luzardo or Hernandez from the Marlins. They have more starters than they have spots for them to pitch and the acquisition cost for either of those two players will be significantly less than it would for a 1 year rental from Oakland or a 2 year contract for a Reds starter.

If we sign one of Stroman/Rodon trade for one of Luzardo or Hernandez and either sign a 3rd starter like Pineda/Duffy or trade for Odorizzi as a salary dump from Houston then we should have enough pitching to compete this year without trading any of our promising young pitchers that will start appearing at MLB level in '22 and '23.

2 hours ago, Karbo said:

Of the 3 above I could go for the Mahle trade. He is younger with upside. Arraez is a tough loss and Canterino looks like he has a bright future but is unproven.

It sounds like there is a lot of rumblings that Canterino could end up as a bullpen arm in the majors anyway.  That could end up being a solid trade.

Hard pass on the Sonny Gray trade, no way I am giving up the years of control and IMO the gem of the minor league prospects for 2 years of Gray, I would be willing to trade Jeffers and a much lower ranked and older pitching prospect for Gray.

Would be willing to do the Mahle trade as long as there was decent FA signed as well.

Also a hard pass on Luis Castillo, not giving Lewis up for two years of control. Might be willing to do it for Martin who I think might end up better than Lewis but IMO has no real chance of being a major league short stop (since he has only played 45 games at short in the last 4 years)

It's a tough pill, but I'd actually make the Castillo deal.  Controllable front-line starters won't come cheap and to get 3 years, for Royce and Kepler seems reasonable.  We don't know what Royce will be, and that was prior to the injury.  There are plenty of skeptics on how much he will hit.  Kepler is who he is at this point and with Kiriloff, Larach, Wallner, etc. coming along, we should consider him as a valuable trade chip.  I don't like what's left on the FA market, and while I hate giving up prospects, I think having Austin Martin now helps ease a loss of Royce.

I'm fine with the idea of trading Kepler. He's an above average fielding, below average hitting corner OF with some power, that could be an average fielding CF. In short, he's replaceable,

The idea of trading Lewis is tough but we need to remember one thing. We have Lewis, Miranda and Martin, al of whom are IFs, probably not SSs, and their ability to play CF just got a little less important since we now  think (hope against hope?) that Buxton is the CF for the next 7 years. I think we can trade one of them. Trading one for a high upside controllable SP is not the worst idea I've ever heard. I'd rather keep Lewis and give up Larnach or Miranda, but trading one of Martin, Miranda or Lewis should definitely be a possibility for the right starting pitcher. 

I'm more inclined to trade some prospects than others. My basis is pure speculation  based on projectable value; a pitcher's stuff and a hitter's barrel tendencies. So not very scientific. I keep Winder, Balazovic, Woods-Richardson, Ober, Miranda, and Martin. I'm willing to trade Duran, Ryan, Lewis, and others in the right situation. Castillo is likely worth Lewis and Kepler, but would try to offer someone else in place of Kepler. I'm still wondering about Montas and interested in what Oakland wants for Bassitt. Apparently, it seems there may be widespread interest in Kepler as a CF. This may produce something. I would want a good return for Kepler. He is very athletic and I do see him improving. But, Castillo, Montas ... yes, we still need good starting pitchers.

If we have 50 million to spend . We could sign  Duffy, peneda, knebel ,Brad hand? Maybe Rondon if we free up a few million would that be enough pitching for everyone? We have hitting.

I would be fine with the Castillo trade, because like previously mentioned Lewis probably isn't playing SS and we have Martin and Miranda. Unfortunately, the only thing on trade rumors about the Twins and Castillo is they are one of the few teams that are not in discussions.

Looking forward to seeing your next two team trades suggestions, Jamie.

15 hours ago, khal149 said:

It's a tough pill, but I'd actually make the Castillo deal.  Controllable front-line starters won't come cheap and to get 3 years, for Royce and Kepler seems reasonable.  We don't know what Royce will be, and that was prior to the injury.  There are plenty of skeptics on how much he will hit.  Kepler is who he is at this point and with Kiriloff, Larach, Wallner, etc. coming along, we should consider him as a valuable trade chip.  I don't like what's left on the FA market, and while I hate giving up prospects, I think having Austin Martin now helps ease a loss of Royce.

 

Luis Castillo is UFA in 2024, so it is two years of control. But if it was 3 years, I would do the trade as well.

On 12/1/2021 at 6:50 AM, TwinsDr2021 said:

Luis Castillo is UFA in 2024, so it is two years of control. But if it was 3 years, I would do the trade as well.

Sure we don't know what Royce Lewis is.  But we also don't wait for him for 4 years and then move him before we find out.

8 hours ago, dxpavelka said:

Sure we don't know what Royce Lewis is.  But we also don't wait for him for 4 years and then move him before we find out.

 

I can agree with that but if you are getting a 28 year old pitcher with 3 years of control, coming off of three years of 4.9, 1.1, 4.7 WAR you trade any prospect not named Wander Franco, Vlad Jr, Tatis Jr. (or possibly a prospect rocketing up the rankings not dropping in the rankings)

14 hours ago, TwinsDr2021 said:

I can agree with that but if you are getting a 28 year old pitcher with 3 years of control, coming off of three years of 4.9, 1.1, 4.7 WAR you trade any prospect not named Wander Franco, Vlad Jr, Tatis Jr. (or possibly a prospect rocketing up the rankings not dropping in the rankings)

I'm not interested in past performance.

15 hours ago, dxpavelka said:

I'm not interested in past performance.

So you are only interest in future projections and hope? I don't get it?

For the last 3 years he has been better than Berrios and he got how much money?

On 12/4/2021 at 12:33 PM, TwinsDr2021 said:

So you are only interest in future projections and hope? I don't get it?

For the last 3 years he has been better than Berrios and he got how much money?

the past does nothing for us