Ranking the Twins Bullpen By Level of Trust

32 minutes ago, ashbury said:

Not one pitcher in the bullpen strikes the slightest fear in a good batter's heart. Not one. I can't rank such a list of arms.

Today was just another indicator of this truthful statement.

I'd say:

Rogers

Robles

Drop off

Duffey, but certainly wavering

and then nobody. Absolutely nobody. I guess I could rank the rest of them, but I don't have trust in any.

Considering you've ranked them by trust. How about if we grade them ourselves:

1. Taylor Rogers: D (He has got the one save but he has been lit up like the 4th of July ever since. He's not durable and for some reason Baldelli forgets this every two weeks or so.)

2. Hansel Robles: B- (He's actually performed adequately. I don't think that Baldelli has marked him as his second most trusted; rather. I think he is trusted only slightly more than Alcala.)

3. Tyler Duffey: D (He showed signs of snapping out of it only to get hammered once again.)

4. Cody Stashak: F+ (I've always thought he was "living on a prayer" to be honest. He seems to be a mediocre pitcher with one decent season. The "+" has been given in the cases when he has some control over his pitches, which is only half the time nowadays.)

5. Jorge Alcala: C- (He hasn't been trusted at all and should be ranked last on the trust meter. He is rarely brought in during high leverage situations, which means he is rarely brought in because the Twins are perpetually in the process of being in high-leverage situations or converting comfortable leads into high-leverage situations. I'd like to see him more often if he is supposed to be the future. The lack of trust may actually have an effect on his confidence.)

6. Caleb Thielbar: D+ (He has good movement on his pitches, but everything I saw (granted it was limited) was up--not by design so hitters were swinging from their heels at his pitches. He certainly didn't look very effective to me.)

7. St. Paul Train WRECK (Derek Law, Luke Farrell, Devin Smeltzer): I'm not sure where Dobnak is in all of this, but I'll grade him as well.

Farrell, Law: F (I do have some sympathy however. Oddly, they were both put into very difficult circumstances. I'm not trying to make excuses for them but they were both put into tie ball games in the extra frame just because there were some lefties coming to the plate? That's rough.)

Smeltzer: C (We haven't really seen that much of Smeltzer so it is a little hard to grade him with confidence. I feel he is about a "C" meaning he can handle some situations well but not others. He's in the same category as Dobnak.)

Dobnak: C- (I was tempted to grad Dobnak more harshly but I really think he wasn't used in the way I would expect. Because Dobnak is really not a strikeout pitcher, coming into games with men on base is not really going to help him IMHO. I'd like him to come into games at the start of an inning.)

8. Alexander Colomé: D+ (Colomé was a complete disaster when he was the MAN; however, since that time, he has pitched surprisingly well. Since the season is sinking faster than the Lusitania, I'd be willing to try him as the closer once more.)

Next, let’s rank the world’s largest deserts by how much rain they get!

The Turtle is our best reliever and it's not even close.

9 hours ago, Aerodeliria said:

Considering you've ranked them by trust. How about if we grade them ourselves:

 

1. Taylor Rogers: D (He has got the one save but he has been lit up like the 4th of July ever since. He's not durable and for some reason Baldelli forgets this every two weeks or so.)

2. Hansel Robles: B- (He's actually performed adequately. I don't think that Baldelli has marked him as his second most trusted; rather. I think he is trusted only slightly more than Alcala.)

3. Tyler Duffey: D (He showed signs of snapping out of it only to get hammered once again.)

4. Cody Stashak: F+ (I've always thought he was "living on a prayer" to be honest. He seems to be a mediocre pitcher with one decent season. The "+" has been given in the cases when he has some control over his pitches, which is only half the time nowadays.)

5. Jorge Alcala: C- (He hasn't been trusted at all and should be ranked last on the trust meter. He is rarely brought in during high leverage situations, which means he is rarely brought in because the Twins are perpetually in the process of being in high-leverage situations or converting comfortable leads into high-leverage situations. I'd like to see him more often if he is supposed to be the future. The lack of trust may actually have an effect on his confidence.)

6. Caleb Thielbar: D+ (He has good movement on his pitches, but everything I saw (granted it was limited) was up--not by design so hitters were swinging from their heels at his pitches. He certainly didn't look very effective to me.)

7. St. Paul Train WRECK (Derek Law, Luke Farrell, Devin Smeltzer): I'm not sure where Dobnak is in all of this, but I'll grade him as well.

Farrell, Law: F (I do have some sympathy however. Oddly, they were both put into very difficult circumstances. I'm not trying to make excuses for them but they were both put into tie ball games in the extra frame just because there were some lefties coming to the plate? That's rough.)

Smeltzer: C (We haven't really seen that much of Smeltzer so it is a little hard to grade him with confidence. I feel he is about a "C" meaning he can handle some situations well but not others. He's in the same category as Dobnak.)

Dobnak: C- (I was tempted to grad Dobnak more harshly but I really think he wasn't used in the way I would expect. Because Dobnak is really not a strikeout pitcher, coming into games with men on base is not really going to help him IMHO. I'd like him to come into games at the start of an inning.)

8. Alexander Colomé: D+ (Colomé was a complete disaster when he was the MAN; however, since that time, he has pitched surprisingly well. Since the season is sinking faster than the Lusitania, I'd be willing to try him as the closer once more.)

 

I gave this comment the 'sad' icon.  That isn't because I disagree with the comment, rather, I agree and the status of the Twins bullpen is just plain 'sad.'

Wow, if Duffy is our 3rd most trustworthy reliever we are in some deep do–do. He has been awful. While I'm not sure whether these rankings are what you think management does think or what you think management should think, I would definitely put Alcala ahead of Duffy as a reliever in whom we should have some faith and trust. I see it as:

A good quality backend reliever – we don't have any of those.

A Small gap

Rogers - Close, but no cigar. Who knows, maybe he could become that good quality reliever he once was.

A pretty good sized gap

Robles - B- guy who is not that trustworthy but might return to form.

Alcala - B- guy now but might improve if given more opportunity.

The Grand Canyon 

Duffy - A great example of why you do need to get in shape even to play baseball. Think low carb diet.

Colome - Come on, he can't be this bad based on prior years, can he?

Theilbar - Meh. Mediocre and doesn't really belong on a good team (so he probably does belong on the Twins).

The Mariana Trench 

Everybody Else.

None have trust. You can't rank something that doesn't exist.

When I saw the title I thought you were ranking how you trusted each pitcher, not the order you trust them compared to each other.  I would agree with your rank, but I have zero trust for them right now.  I assume every pen guy will blow whatever lead we have. 

I appreciate the OP very much. I'm just not sure how to rank vast disappointment and complete breakdown. The thing is, how could EVERYONE be having a disappointing/poor season all at once?

Rogers has his velocity back up and has shown some wicked stuff. But then be grooves one or someone inside-outs a good pitch and you hand slap your forehead.

Robles has largely looked OK, but has been inconsistent.

How does Stashak suddenly have huge K numbers but no control? And he's always been a solid control pitcher previously.

Relatively young and no injuries, what cliff did Duffey jump off of. For that matter, Colome has never been about pure velocity and doesn't seem to have lost any. So how are either of these guys so bad all of a sudden?

I get Alcala is still developing. But how can his velocity and slider...both wicked...be so bad against LH hitters?

I didn't dislike the Colome signing at all when it happened. But I still would have paid a little more to keep May instead. IMO, the Twins didn't see anyone giving him $7M. I know I didn't, and I even really like the guy. I think the Mets may have been the only team that would have done it, and they did.

But here's the rub, other than May, everyone else the Twins let walk has been hurt or aweful. There is an easy list to compile of about 6-8 additional arms they could have signed, or were in on, and all of them are hurt or pitching poorly!

Someone please remind me, all of this taken in to account, how the FO screwed up? Who should they have onboard they don't now? And again, how has EVERYONE seemingly collapsed at once?

Someone, please, bring in a KFC bucket sacrifice to break thjs curse!

8. LaTortuga. He doesn't waste time. Has a variety of speeds. Spectre of eephus haunts batters.

9. Ball girl or bullpen catcher or peanut vendor.

10. Can we just use a tee? Or find a little league coach to lob them up there?

11. Colome, I guess.