Ranking Minnesota’s Top 5 Defensive Teams

Man did I love watching Doug Mientkiewicz play 1st base. His stretch was amazing! You talk about Koskie play at 3rd but a lot of the defense abilities of the infield was because of Doug digging balls out of the dirt and his stretch.

If everyone is healthy, I believe they'd come pretty close

Let's break it down by position vs that 2002 team, per my completely arguable eye test:

SS Guzman < Simba

C AJ/Prince > garver/jeffers

CF Hunter < Buxton

2B Rivas < Polanco

3B Koskie > Donaldson

RF Mohr < Kepler

LF Jones > Kiriloff

1B Mientkeiwicz > Sano

So with all the caveats about age and injury (which Heavily favor the 2002 team), the 2021 team is probably worse in 5 positions, but probably better in 3 of the 4 most important. And the 2021 team plays in a more defense-friendly ballpark with more data-driven approach.

So, this team has the potential to be the Twins best since 2000, but I don't think I would bet on it.

Too bad the "experts" who award Gold Glove titles haven't paid more attention to actual glove work and less to batting average and press popularity when handing out Gloves. I think there'd be a few more retired Twins with well-deserved Gold Gloves sitting on their mantels.

I went to the team fielding stats on BR and was fascinated to see somethings really jump out - in 1979 the team had 203 DPs.  Those really counted when players were not striking out or hitting flyballs like now.   In 2012 the team had 188 DPs - the only top ten for this century.  

By fielding percentage (traditional) the rank would be:

• 2020
• 2012
• 2010 - only year on both lists
• 2017
• 2009

I do wish I had a comparison of team versus league for all the years to see how we ranked within the year and era. 

Fewest errors - 2020 would have the fewest, but I could not put that on the list

• 2002 - ranked first in article
• 1994 
• 2009
• 2017
• 2010 - only season both in article and fielding Pct

I do find it fascinating that BR and MLB.com all have batting and pitching but not fielding in their sortable stats. 

Based on Gold gloves our all time Defensive team would be

Pitcher - Jim Kaat

Catcher - tie Mauer and Battey (3 each)

1B - Power (3) - Mientkiewicz (1) I saw both play and I would take Power

2B - Knaublauch - Dozier (1 each)

SS - Versalles (2)

3B - Gaetti (4)

OF - Puckett (6),Hunter (7), and Buxton - tied with Oliva with 1 each

I'm surprised the '05, '06, and '10 Twins all finished ahead of the '01 Twins since they were largely the same defensively as the '02 Twins.

Doesn't the article say that the metric starts in 2002?

Too bad the "experts" who award Gold Glove titles haven't paid more attention to actual glove work and less to batting average and press popularity when handing out Gloves. I think there'd be a few more retired Twins with well-deserved Gold Gloves sitting on their mantels.

Too often offense of the player got gold gloves, which made no sense.  Unless the player was on highlights over and over, they needed to be a higher level offensive player for coaches to think about them when they were voting.  Then, once a guy was known for defense, regardless of how well they did there they would win it.  99 Palmero won the gold glove when he DH 128 games and started 28 at first.  Shows how much managers pay attention and only think of names they know of.  That is where the offense comes in.  You think of good offensive players a lot, but unless they put up a ton of highlights, you never think of defense guys. 

The problem I have with the numbers you use to rank these teams are they are based on comparison to the rest of the league that year.  You say it is best defensive teams all time, but you use numbers that compare them to other players in that year.  If you truly wanted to compare all time you would need to use numbers that do not use other players as their measure.  

Under the numbers you used, a player that is average defender at SS over his career will some years have high numbers because his competition was weaker.  However, if they were plugged into year with say Ozzie Smith or other all time great SS they would look worse under these numbers. 

There may not be a good number to use to make this determination, but it should be pointed out that the numbers sited compares them only to players of that year.  Heck, they could have had worse year defensively, but if everyone else was even worse they look better.  It is a good number to compare the team to others in the league, but the title suggests this is ranking how good the team was overall, not compared to other teams.  

I understand that these metrics are new and generally aren't available to compare to older teams, but it's disappointing to see a list about team history that only covers this millennia.

Let's break it down by position vs that 2002 team, per my completely arguable eye test:

SS Guzman < Simba
C AJ/Prince > garver/jeffers
CF Hunter < Buxton
2B Rivas < Polanco
3B Koskie > Donaldson
RF Mohr < Kepler
LF Jones > Kiriloff
1B Mientkeiwicz > Sano

So with all the caveats about age and injury (which Heavily favor the 2002 team), the 2021 team is probably worse in 5 positions, but probably better in 3 of the 4 most important. And the 2021 team plays in a more defense-friendly ballpark with more data-driven approach.

So, this team has the potential to be the Twins best since 2000, but I don't think I would bet on it.

I agree with your subjective eye test except Rivas was probably better that year than Polanco will be at second, and Donaldson has historically been better than Koskie at third. Next year, I'd expect Donaldson to slow down some though. 3B is close. 1B is not close. Dougie was really good there. 

Hopefully everyone understands this is for the 21st century only even though there is wording about franchise history. Right?