Projecting the Twins 2023 Opening Day Roster: Lopez and Taylor Trades Add Depth

is Buxton healthy yet?

I think this feels right - Celistino would benefit from a year at AAA to learn how to hit and with Taylor only having a year left on the contract that seems like a good direction to go.

Still would prefer anybody from the minors instead of Pagan - but it appears that unless he implodes during spring training, he is going to have to cost us some games (again) that count before hopefully moving on from him sooner rather than later.

17 minutes ago, MABB1959 said:

is Buxton healthy yet?

Never.

Celestino needs to stay in AAA. We now brought in someone (Taylor) who can play all three OF spots, but most importantly can play the 100+ games needed in CF when Buxton is hurt... again.

Overall, a middling lineup with all hopes for a playoff berth based on the rotation.

Unless Buxton is playing and hitting, this might be the weakest offensive outfield in the league (but great defensively). Gordon might be the only player to hit above .230.  The infield is relying on two young players (one who is oft injured and, when not, only occasionally rakes and the other who is at best middle of the road defensively and fell off quite dramatically at the plate after a hot stretch last season) - and a veteran coming off his worst season in years.  Catching will be so so more or less.  Rotation looks solid, particularly if Mahle, Gray, Lopez, and Maeda can stay healthy (but has the depth). The bullpen is pretty much a run back from last year.  The coaching staff hasn’t been upgraded either - we will see if they get better in getting more out of our fundamentals, base running and in-game tactics than last year.

On a side note, I’d really hate being a top prospect in the Twins organization at the moment.  Ageing vets (Gallo, Kepler, Taylor, even Polanco) seems to be a core strategy. There are lots of players - both positional and on the bump - lining up for a shot.  There’s a decent chance you will just get stashed until you start to age out of the sweet spot of getting majors experience. Then when you do get a chance, you are under team control long enough you might only get one bite at the big money deal.  I’m sure there is a ton of frustration right now among some of the prospects banging at the door.

I have a hard time seeing Celestino on the roster after the Taylor trade. Someone has to be the DH and he's redundant with Taylor and Gordon if you're going to include Gordon as an outfielder. Larnach or Wallner have to be on the team as a DH at this point.

20 minutes ago, Nashvilletwin said:

 I’m sure there is a ton of frustration right now among some of the prospects banging at the door.

I see where one could think this way, but baseball players deal in focusing on the positives more than any other sport because failure is so common in baseball. A guy who fails three out of four times at the plate is pretty decent. The prospects are focused on determining their own future. Those who play well can push the veterans aside. Schoop was a premier defensive second baseman and power hitter who is still playing baseball, but when Luis Arraez proved he was ready to play the job fairly went to Arraez. Likewise players like Lewis, Lee, Martin, Larnach, Wallner, and Julien will need to prove that they are ready for MLB.

Celestino's soft contact (observationally... I don't have numbers to back it up) is far too extreme for me to be excited about his potential at all.  He's also not an exceptional OF in my mind.  He is now redundant and I don't see much further development, but hope I'm wrong.

8 minutes ago, tony&rodney said:

I see where one could think this way, but baseball players deal in focusing on the positives more than any other sport because failure is so common in baseball. A guy who fails three out of four times at the plate is pretty decent. The prospects are focused on determining their own future. Those who play well can push the veterans aside. Schoop was a premier defensive second baseman and power hitter who is still playing baseball, but when Luis Arraez proved he was ready to play the job fairly went to Arraez. Likewise players like Lewis, Lee, Martin, Larnach, Wallner, and Julien will need to prove that they are ready for MLB.

Don't forget Ober, Winder, SWR, and Varland.  I’m sure we are missing a few as well. But, you are correct. They 100% “are focused on determining their own future”. And many of them would welcome with open arms a trade where they might get more opportunity.

All I’m saying is that the queue is long and growing and many of them realise they might/probably have a better chance to prove themselves outside the Twins organization. Moving Arraez helps the infield log jam a bit. Trading for Lopez and Taylor, signing Gallo, and keeping Kepler do not. At some point, the kids need innings. 

55 minutes ago, vulturepaj said:

Celestino's soft contact (observationally... I don't have numbers to back it up) is far too extreme for me to be excited about his potential at all.  He's also not an exceptional OF in my mind.  He is now redundant and I don't see much further development, but hope I'm wrong.

He also makes way too many mistakes in the field as well. Keep him in AAA to try to develop then reevaluate him with a full season in St. Paul under his belt.

1 hour ago, Nashvilletwin said:

Overall, a middling lineup with all hopes for a playoff berth based on the rotation.

Unless Buxton is playing and hitting, this might be the weakest offensive outfield in the league (but great defensively). Gordon might be the only player to hit above .230.  The infield is relying on two young players (one who is oft injured and, when not, only occasionally rakes and the other who is at best middle of the road defensively and fell off quite dramatically at the plate after a hot stretch last season) - and a veteran coming off his worst season in years.  Catching will be so so more or less.  Rotation looks solid, particularly if Mahle, Gray, Lopez, and Maeda can stay healthy (but has the depth). The bullpen is pretty much a run back from last year.  The coaching staff hasn’t been upgraded either - we will see if they get better in getting more out of our fundamentals, base running and in-game tactics than last year.

On a side note, I’d really hate being a top prospect in the Twins organization at the moment.  Ageing vets (Gallo, Kepler, Taylor, even Polanco) seems to be a core strategy. There are lots of players - both positional and on the bump - lining up for a shot.  There’s a decent chance you will just get stashed until you start to age out of the sweet spot of getting majors experience. Then when you do get a chance, you are under team control long enough you might only get one bite at the big money deal.  I’m sure there is a ton of frustration right now among some of the prospects banging at the door.

I am wondering who will be the leadoff, get on base guy for Buxton and Correa to hit behind. I'm not seeing a great answer at this moment.

Has an Opening Day roster ever lasted a whole week? Most times by game 4 there's been a transaction to change the roster.

I am expecting the Twins to add two relief pitchers when they are able to put Paddack and Canterino on the 60 day DL. Those two relievers will head north replacing 2 of Alcala, Moran and Megill.

1 hour ago, Karbo said:

IMO Ober should be in the pen

Ober is the 6th starter and will likely need to be used in that role in April.

Winder should be in the bullpen. I don't think he has the stuff for the rotation but could throw harder in shorter outings.

16 minutes ago, DJL44 said:

Has an Opening Day roster ever lasted a whole week? Most times by game 4 there's been a transaction to change the roster.

I looked up last season. Opening Day April 8, first transaction 4/12.

4/12 - Recalled Jax, Alcala to IL

4/13 - Larnach and Derek Rodriguez up, Kirilloff and Cotton down

4/14 - Garlick up, Rodriguez down

The Opening Day roster lasted 4 games.

50 minutes ago, rwilfong86 said:

I am wondering who will be the leadoff, get on base guy for Buxton and Correa to hit behind. I'm not seeing a great answer at this moment.

Polanco is a reasonable fit there, although he'd be great in #2 spot as a switch hitter. But there's nothing wrong with a lineup that goes:

1. Polanco
2. Correa
3. Buxton
4. Gallo
5. Kirilloff
6. Miranda
7. Larnach
8. Vazquez
9. Kepler

It would be great if Kirilloff is hitting so well you could slide him in to the #3 spot, but he's probably not ready for that. But you don't need to go strictly L-R to protect yourself with the decline of the LOOGY, etc.

No way Celestino isn't in St Paul to work on his game. Larnach is the probable replacement, playing both OF corners and even DHing once in a while. 

All of this is assuming 100% health, of course. Sure would be nice to leave ST 100% for a change, and stay that way for more than a few games. But assuming that 100% health, I just have such a hard time not having Ober in the rotation. But if he is, indeed, bumped, does he go to St Paul and stay stretched out? Or does he go to the pen and provide that middle/long arm that is missing with the OP roster? And if he goes to St Paul to stay stretched out, does Winder/Sands/Henriquez make the club instead of someone else to provide that middle/long arm?

Guess I'm saying that even if the Twins don't add another BP arm....and I think they might...I'm not sure I buy the above projection without that one stretched arm that was so lacking last season.

I'm starting to think Kepler just might remain a Twin, despite all the rumors and speculation to the contrary the past few months. 

I just have this feeling in my gut that there's going to be one more signing or trade before all is said and done.

Potential crazy surprise to the roster? Martin or Julien just looks so good that they somehow sneak on the roster and provide some missing OB% that we lost with the Arraez trade.

The Twins should start Celestino, Winder and Megill in Saint Paul; Celestino and Winder need more time to bloom into major-league players while Megill has to settle his stuff and hopefully maintain the 2.25 ERA he had before the All-Star break.

Celestino, Larnach, Megill & if need be Moran down to AAA. Because of the log jam in the OF, I'd place Gallo temporary at 1B & send Kiriloff to AAA to remove some rust & find his groove until he blow off the doors. Then something has to happen in the OF. I'd have Ober piggy-back w/ Maeda to begin the season.

So...the rotation in St.Paul could include SWR, Ober, Varland, Winder, Balazovic, with Henriquez and Sands in the bullpen?  I love it...should be a good AAA rotation.  Why are some in such a hurry to turn Ober or Winder into a bullpen arm?  Let 'em start at AAA until someone is needed.  They both had really good moments as starters last year.  Let's let them prove they are not major league starters before moving them to the pen.

If I'm being honest, I don't hate the idea of starting the year with Larnach and Kiriloff at AAA either.  Let them prove health, get 5 plate appearances every day and bring them up when someone gets hurt or they just mash to the point you HAVE to bring them back.

Celestino is gonna be in AAA all year IMO.  And I'm with most who seem to think that's best for him.

6 minutes ago, Mike Sixel said:

Gallo is a gold glove defender in the OF.

Who is your DH if Larnach and Kiriloff aren't on the roster? 

I really don't get this at all.

Gurriel?  :)

15 minutes ago, Doctor Gast said:

Celestino, Larnach, Megill & if need be Moran down to AAA. Because of the log jam in the OF, I'd place Gallo temporary at 1B & send Kiriloff to AAA to remove some rust & find his groove until he blow off the doors. Then something has to happen in the OF. I'd have Ober piggy-back w/ Maeda to begin the season.

That's what the off season and spring training are for. Kirilloff is too talented to waste if he's ready. I like Gordon, but an everyday lineup with Kirilloff is much more dangerous. 

Why can't the Twins start with a 6 man rotation for the first few weeks. Especially since everyone except Ryan has an injury history. Give everyone that extra day rest early on. 

6 minutes ago, Mike Sixel said:

Gallo is a gold glove defender in the OF.

Who is your DH if Larnach and Kiriloff aren't on the roster? 

I really don't get this at all.

This an early roster plan. I'm going by that Larnach & Kiriloff were hurt last spring & haven't played since. I can't expect them come right in & play up to their potential. Plus as I stated before to solve the log jam in the OF. 

DH was left off the roster so I forgot about it. In that case I'd reluctantly put Gordon at DH. & let Kiriloff play off any rust at 1B

3 minutes ago, jsmort99 said:

Why can't the Twins start with a 6 man rotation for the first few weeks. Especially since everyone except Ryan has an injury history. Give everyone that extra day rest early on. 

because we're not allowed to have 14 pitchers, and adding another starter at the expense of a reliever is likely to leave us short, especially since most of our relievers aren't more than 1 inning guys. It won't hurt Ober to have him start in Saint Paul.

Compared to LY I think the Twins have really just added depth to the bottom of their batting order and bottom of their rotation.  It's just enough to compete in the AL Central and  that shouldn't be confused with being competitive.  That lineup is really bad and will easily get shut down in game 1 (and 2) of any playoff series.  I mean Joey Gallo?  It's unfortunate Carlos Correa gave this front office a lifeline because the best thing they can do is move on from the coach and the GM. 

The total talent of the organization is low.  They're avg. at best in the pro's and below avg. with prospects.  In a market like this the front office has one responsibility and that's to develop players in the minors to make an impact.  They've been unable to do that.  The few that have got to the pro's only are allowed to play every 3rd game or pitch 5 innings because we're worried about them getting hurt and their replacements get rocked every time.  The best thing to happen to us this offseason is the lucky move up the draft lottery, though I'm sure that prospect will be traded for another #3 equivalent starter 2 years from now.

It's a business and this is an organization trying to do the bare minimum to sell concessions and get butts in seats.