Minnesota Twins and Pitcher Matt Shoemaker Agree To Deal

It is an intimidating picture

Hopefully he doesn't tear something signing the contract.

He looks like John Turturro! If he is as intimidating in the rotation as Turturro was in The Big Lebowski....

Hopefully Shoemaker can toe the rubber and cobble together some good performances. 

I am glad they brought in another veteran pitcher to compete for the 5th spot.  Hopefully he grabs it and we have Dobnak etc. for depth because odds are one or more of the starters are going to need rest or get injured so we will need guys available to step up and step in.

I assume this means Garlic is toast and headed for the waiver wire?  hopefully he goes unclaimed and grows with the Twins, as this doesn't look like a minor league deal, so will need to make room on the 40 man.

Hope I am wrong but... yuck!

I like it. Low price and the Twins don't have to start the season relying on Dobnak every 5th game. Gives Dobnak some time to work on things in St.Paul and when there is an injury to a starter he can take the 20 minute drive to Minneapolis. 

Hope I am wrong but... yuck!

If he stays healthy you very well could be wrong. However, his history shows that isn't at all likely.

  Essentially the 2021 version of Homer Bailey.  So if Shoemaker wins 5th spot out of ST, so Dobnak and Smeltzer go to St.Paul as depth for when injuries hit?  I believe Thorpe is out of options?

....sadly, this seems to slam the door shut on Odorizzi returning.

Here's the real question though:

Does Shoemaker make a handful of starts and then go on the IL?

OR

He starts the season on the IL - probably lingering shoulder issues from last fall - and debuts in July so it's "just like trading for an impact arm"?

So many choices.

Looks like Shoemaker is this year's Homer Bailey.

Meh, alright. He's got a decent track record, and if healthy he can give the Twins some innings and maybe a few wins. At this point I'd prefer Dobnak but competition is healthy - speaking of healthy, it's quite possible Shoemaker doesn't stay healthy all year and Randy will likely be a starter for a good part of the year, regardless.

Well done Twins.  I'd still like us to give Odo a deal, if they have a chance. 

Good addition. 

Reasons:

1. Shoemaker's short term upside likely > than Dobnak, Smeltzer and Thorpe.

2. Injury history doesn't always predict an injury future.

3. Adds needed depth to the SP core - especially if Duran and Bala can contribute in 2021.

4. If Shoemaker performs at average in the upper half of his past performances - he is a pretty strong #5.

I'd rather have him than Martin Perez. I'd rather have Rich Hill than Shoemaker. Seems to be a pattern in signing 5th starters. Not opposed by any means, as he's essentially going to be in and out of the 5th spot and the IL, rotating with Dobnak, Thorpe, and a couple of surprises.

Berrios

Maeda 

Pineda

Happ

Shoemaker/Dobnak/Smeltzer/Thorpe

That back end is far from confidence inspiring. 

Like the signing because of the solid upside and consistent effectiveness when healthy.  

Wish it was a minor league deal with higher incentives so we would have a chance to look at him during spring training and get a better idea of where he is at health wise.

I guess the Twins think he is healthy and ready to role! Might be the end for Thorpe tho!

Berrios

Maeda 

Pineda

Happ

Shoemaker/Dobnak/Smeltzer/Thorpe

 

That back end is far from confidence inspiring. 

I'd much rather have somebody like Quintana or Paxton instead of Happ, as they signed at similar prices. Dobnak/Shoemaker are fine for the back end of the rotation. I would like better options than Thorpe/Smeltzer, but we are talking about the #8/9 spots.

Also, Gleeman said Thorpe was "awarded" a 4th option year, so not losing him. Unless he is the waiver candidate.

"The Shoe" will cover the White Sox.

While not dancing a jig...and I'm not Irish anyway...Im OK with this. We need depth and competition. Despite all the success of our staff in 2020, even in a short 60G season, we saw the need for depth.

We know the recent injury history. The good? 25+ GS 2014-2016 and 14 in 2017, good career ERA, FIP and WHIP with a decent 8+K per 9.

I agree with GNess that past injury history does in no way guarantee future injury. I also agree this is a lot like the Bailey signing last year. And that's NOT a bad thing. Bailey had a nice rebound 2019. If 2020 had been a full season, there is a very good chance Bailey would have contributed well over at least a half year. And every season there is someone who gets over the injury bug and suddenly shines like they used to and becomes a "steal" for the team who signed them. Why can't this be Shoemaker?

Now, I would have preferred stretching payroll more to $8-10M for the HOPE of Paxton, the STEADINESS of Odorizzi or the UPSIDE of Walker and push Happ down. But 1-4 I really like the rotation we have. (Especially Happ getting out of Yankee stadium). There is still room for Dobnak, who I like, to make a difference. There is also room for Duran and Ober and potentially others over a full season.

So again, I'm OK with this move.

I look at it this way. I don’t want to start the season with a rookie in the rotation. I’d prefer not starting the season with a guy with just 15 career starts in the rotation.

With Shoemaker, they can start spring training with the hope of five veterans (Maeda, Berrios, Pineda, Happ and Shoemaker) in the rotation and settle for Dobnak if (when) one of them gets hurt. Without Shoemaker, you hope for four veteran starters and Dobnak and settle for Thorpe or Smeltzer if (when) one gets hurt.

To me, that’s a significant upgrade.

(I also don’t consider Dobnak for the bullpen. He’ll be needed to start a game for the Twins before the end of April — someone will be hurt by then.)  

$2 deal is low risk. If he can prove himself and win a spot, that’s good. If someone else beats him out, that’s OK too

It is an intimidating picture

Channeling the power of Zoltar the Magnificent can be magical.

If you gave me a #5 starter that was guaranteed to have a 4.5 ERA for the entire season I would jump on it.   Dobnak and Shoemaker are capable of that and have shown better.   Possibly a good signing for depth.

Thorpe gets fourth option and I bet the team uses it.  He is one of the most disappointing prospects and Smeltzer is a good story, but not a good rotation guy.  I think Dobnak will be another good story player and next year we should see Duran and Balazovic in the rotation ahead of Randy.  At least I hope so.  Of Course I once thought Gonsalves was going to be in the rotation. 

I'm O.K. with this, though I would have preferred Tijuan Walker.  

People shouldn't sleep on Dobnak though.  He induces a lot of ground balls and weak contact and with Simmons at SS and a healthy Donaldson at 3B as well as improved "D" at 2B with Polanco, Dobnak could be in for a good year.