Minnesota Should Plunder Another Pirates Pitcher

If Trevor Larnach and a lotto ticket isn't enough for Musgrove (or a vet already on the team like Garver or Rogers being involved), I'd pass.

The farm system doesn't have enough pitching to include in trades and Musgrove isn't worth a blue chipper or multiple 50+ V guys.

PIT has a great eye on pitching talent & in the past not being able to develop it. I`ve always advocated that we need to capitalize on this. We can get great talent on the cheap. When it comes to PIT pitchers we can`t look at what they have done but rather what they can become. Cole & Glasnow never developed until they left PIT. HOU & TB didn`t look at what they did but what they could become & paid great dividends. It would`ve been great if we could`ve seen it picked them up. Although this will not always be, now w/ the new pitching coach so maybe this will be our last opportunity. W/ Sheldon at the helm we could maybe find a good trade w/ PIT rebuilding

Agree Twins generally need to look at Musgrove type pitchers. Someone who has potential, probably not going to be able to afford or attract the top free agents. Twins do have some trade capital with prospects, but would hate to part with any of the top prospects. How about Cave, Wade, or some lower prospects.

If the answer is NOT to bring Odorizzi back, this would absolutely be the type of deal they should be looking to make.

Since Pittsburgh is rebuilding and has familiarity with our system, I wonder if this might be fair to both sides and easily made?

 How about Cave, Wade, or some lower prospects.

Understand, our spare parts are only worth another team's spare parts. Pick the 259th player in their system, that is who you would get for the 2 players you mentioned. 

Rosario for Musgrove. Done. Great deal for both teams. Now can I have my own column?

Rosario for Musgrove. Done. Great deal for both teams. Now can I have my own column?

Why would the worst team in baseball move a good starter for one year, $10M of Rosario? 

Rosario for Musgrove. Done. Great deal for both teams. Now can I have my own column?

I assume this is sarcasm. Rosarios trade value is next to nothing. They will want young prospects but no way on Larnach.

Understand, our spare parts are only worth another team's spare parts. Pick the 259th player in their system, that is who you would get for the 2 players you mentioned. 

While you'd obviously have to give up more than that, I don't think it's super far off and it would be closer than that to giving up, say, Larnach.

Musgrove right now is eerily similar to Odorizzi entering 2018. They're similar types of pitchers where they only throw low to mid 90s but have strikeout stuff. They would both be 28 at the start of the season, and both have two more years left of pitching under arbitration before they'd get the QO or hit free agency. They had similar numbers, where Musgrove had a slightly better year leading up to it, granted it was only 8 starts, and Odorizzi had the better career numbers.

And all it took to get Odorizzi was a mid level prospect in Jermaine Palacios, who was only about the 15th-20th ranked prospect in our system. The Pirates have gotten burned so badly in trades recently that they'll probably want a little more than that, but I think someone like Blayne Enlow if they want a pitcher, maybe Wander Javier if they want an infielder or Matt Wallner if they want an outfielder could get it done, or maybe someone even a little lower than that if they want an MLB ready player like Cave, Wade or Thorpe in addition to a prospect.

While you'd obviously have to give up more than that, I don't think it's super far off and it would be closer than that to giving up, say, Larnach.

 

Musgrove right now is eerily similar to Odorizzi entering 2018. They're similar types of pitchers where they only throw low to mid 90s but have strikeout stuff. They would both be 28 at the start of the season, and both have two more years left of pitching under arbitration before they'd get the QO or hit free agency. They had similar numbers, where Musgrove had a slightly better year leading up to it, granted it was only 8 starts, and Odorizzi had the better career numbers.

 

And all it took to get Odorizzi was a mid level prospect in Jermaine Palacios, who was only about the 15th-20th ranked prospect in our system. The Pirates have gotten burned so badly in trades recently that they'll probably want a little more than that, but I think someone like Blayne Enlow if they want a pitcher, maybe Wander Javier if they want an infielder or Matt Wallner if they want an outfielder could get it done, or maybe someone even a little lower than that if they want an MLB ready player like Cave, Wade or Thorpe in addition to a prospect.

Very smart post!

As much as Rosario has meant to the Twins, and as much as I love him as fan, the reality of the market and covid finanalcial repercussions makes him a 1yr rental for trade value. Now, that could mean something for tne right team. But tbe return would be, at best, a projection arm. Unless he is packaged with someone else for maybe a better arm.

Despite Pittsburgh re-building and a perception they have "given" arms away, Sheton knows the Twins system. It's possible they could go for something like Cave...talented and under control...and something else. Depends on the GM. But I'm thinking they would be looking at something along the lines of Larnach and Enlow. I think I'd make that move were I the Twins. A quality move that "hurts" usually means it's fair to both sides.