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  • Look Who’s Back: Twins Claim Vargas


    Cody Christie

    It’s been a whirlwind week for Mr. Kennys Vargas. After spending his entire career in the Twins organization, Vargas was put on waivers earlier this week and claimed by the Reds. His tenure in a Cincinnati uniform didn’t last long.

    Now just two days later, he finds himself back with the Twins

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    Vargas was designated for assignment by Cincinnati and Minnesota claimed him back.

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    The Reds seemed like a tough spot for Vargas to fit, with Joey Votto occupying first base and no designated hitter in the National League. Because of his switch-hitting ability, there was some thought that he could serve as a bench bat or the club could try to sneak him through waivers to the minors.

    That plan didn’t work as he is back in Minnesota.

    Some Twins fans were a little paranoid about losing Vargas. It’s hard to blame fans for remembering when the club made one of the biggest judgment gaffes in baseball history. Letting David Ortiz go was a mistake. Even former General Manager Terry Ryan has admitted as much. But let’s make one thing clear… Kennys Vargas isn’t David Ortiz.

    It’s easy to see why fans can see similarities between the two players. Both players fit a similar profile as large men who have little to no defensive value. Even more eerie might be the fact that the Twins let both players go entering their age-27 season. Beyond those surface level similarities, there are some stark differences between these two players.

    Ortiz broke into the majors as a 21-year old in 1997. He played a little over 100 games through his first three seasons before becoming a regular player in 2000. From 1997-2002, he hit 266/.348/.461 (.809) while averaging 10 home runs and 18 doubles per season. He also had 339 strikeouts compared to 186 walks in 455 games.

    His best season in Minnesota was his last as he hit .272/.339/.500 with 20 home runs and 75 RBIs in 125 games. He battled injuries throughout his time in a Twins uniform. During the 2002-2003 off-season, Ortiz was due to make roughly $2 million through the arbitration process. Matt LeCroy would take over the designated hitter role with Doug Mientkiewicz penciled in at first base. Justin Morneau was closing in on the big leagues as well.

    “There wasn’t any one thing,” Terry Ryan told MLB.com. “If you look at his numbers across the board, they were very respectable. And not that it was totally about money, but we were a little bit strapped. That would be a good excuse, but it wasn’t that entirely. It was just a bad error in judgment of a guy’s talent.”

    Ortiz would sign with the Red Sox for $1.25 million and the rest is history.

    Vargas is a much different story. He made his debut as a 23-year old in 2014. During his four seasons in Minnesota, he hit .252/.311/.437 (.748) with 35 home runs and a more strikeouts (251) than hits (197). While Ortiz showed flashes of brilliance in the upper minors, Vargas posted a .248 batting average in 630 Triple-A at-bats.

    Vargas might the definition of a replacement level player.

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    Ortiz became known for his clutch hits to help the Red Sox win multiple championships. Vargas struggled to be successful in high-leverage spots on rebuilding Twins teams.

    Because both the Twins and Red Sox train in Fort Myers, Vargas and Ortiz have become acquaintances over the years. In fact, a friendship has developed between these Caribbean born players. Vargas also knows it took Ortiz multiple years to make it as a big leaguer. “He was in my spot years and years ago,” Vargas told the Pioneer Press. “He just trusted in himself, and he found a spot and (won) three World Series.”

    Vargas is still searching for his spot and now he’s back with the organization he’s known for his entire career.

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    I think, clearly, he doesn't fit the roster barring some last minute injury. This is clearly a sign the team likes him enough to want to keep him around just in case. He will be waived, hopefully clear, and be sent to Rochester if he does.

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    He wasn't going to take Polanco or Sano's PAs. He was going to get ~200 PAs either way.

    Don't think that was the point of the poster. They needed a 40 man spot to add Cave. They decided to get rid of Vargas to gain that 40 man spot. If they had found out about Polanco earlier, Cave could have taking Polanco's 40 man spot and no one would have been waived in the first place, at least at that exact moment. 

     

    They may still end up waiving him again, but the decision to waive him would have been delayed until now or whenever they decide to get rid of him again.

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    He will be waived again, barring an injury to Morrison or Mauer in the next few days. Hopefully they can stash him at AAA and go from there.

     

    But if he is ever called back, he will need a 40-man roster spot.

     

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    Don't think that was the point of the poster. They needed a 40 man spot to add Cave. They decided to get rid of Vargas to gain that 40 man spot. If they had found out about Polanco earlier, Cave could have taking Polanco's 40 man spot and no one would have been waived in the first place, at least at that exact moment.

     

    They may still end up waiving him again, but the decision to waive him would have been delayed until now or whenever they decide to get rid of him again.

    Ah, yeah I misunderstood. I thought the poster meant the context changed in regards to his chance to play more.

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    His .900 OPS on the road while with the Red Sox wasn't too shabby.

    True, and I'm not going to look it up myself, because my gut tells me what my answer would be, but just for giggles, what was his career OPS in Fenway?

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    Gleeman has pointed out multiple times that Oritz numbers especially if he was played more were sustainable and in todays world would have projected him as a future great player.  Just with his Twins numbers.  Our coach and FO didn't want to pay the 2 million to keep him.  Thats on them.

     

    Gleeman has also pointed out that Vargas pro numbers are replacement level or below no matter how you look at it.  Obviously I agree.  Vargas is barely a MLB level player.

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    Yup. Cleared waivers; out righted to Rochester. He apparently doesn't have the right to refuse the assignment. No big surprise. Still curious to see if both Grossman and Granite make the opening day 25 man roster. 

    I think Grossman is a lock and the final spot is down to Granite or LaMarre. I think we should be learning the winner of that spot very soon now...

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