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    Matthew Taylor

    Multiple reports have confirmed that José Berríos has been traded to the Blue Jays in exchange for Austin Martin and Simeon Woods Richardson.

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    Jose Berrios has been traded. There have been rumors and now there are confirmations. Jose Berrios will be joining the Toronto Blue Jays as they head back to Canada to play for the first time in a long time. No doubt Berrios will be missed. He is a leader, a two-time All Star, and competitor. 

    In return, the Twins received highly-touted prospects, SS Austin Martin and RHP Simeon Woods-Richardson.

    Martin was the #5 overall pick in the 2020 draft out of Vanderbilt. Martin is a consensus Top 25 overall prospect in baseball. He should soon join the Wichita Wind Surge. He is ranked #21 by Baseball America and #16 by MLB Pipeline. 

    Martin made his professional debut this year, and he has played in 55 games for Double-A New Hampshire. He has hit .281/.424/.383 (.807) with ten doubles, two triples and two home runs. He also has nine stolen bases. 

    Woods-Richardson was traded two years ago from the Mets to the Blue Jays in the Marcus Stroman deal. The hard-thrower is currently in Tokyo with fellow newly-acquired Twins prospect Joe Ryan at the Olympics. He is ranked #68 by MLB Pipeline. 

    He was the Mets second-round pick in 2018 out of high school in Texas. The 20-year-old is also at Double-A New Hampshire. He is 2-4 with a 5.76 ERA in 11 starts. Over 11 starts and 45 1/3 innings, he has walked too many (26) and struck out a ton (67, 13.3 K/9). 

    On MLB Network, former GM Dan O'Dowd said, "In surplus value, the Twins won this deal. In present value, the Blue Jays get what they need." 

    Once the Washington Nationals traded Max Scherzer and Trea Turner to the Dodgers on Thursday night, Berrios became the best pitcher on the trade market, and the Twins took advantage. 

    The Blue Jays are working to stay in playoff contention in a division currently led by the Red Sox and Rays. They are also trying to keep up with the Yankees who have added sluggers Joey Gallo and Anthony Rizzo the past two days. A two-time All Star, Berrios will certainly help Toronto down the stretch and, the reason they got such a big return, will help them in 2022 as well. 

    Are the Twins done??? Don't count on it! 

     

    Story will be updated as we learn more information. You can also add to the story in the comments below.

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    Well we will see.  We traded arguably our best hitter (Cruz) and now our.best.pitcher (Berrios) for prospects. I hope they are major league players.soon.and.good.ones.  But prospects are just.suspects until they prove themselves.  So why, at least as of.now,.did we.trade.away.our.best.two players.and.have.all..these stiffs still on the team?

     

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    I see the ranking on SWR but he concerns me with his control issues. He averages over 18 pitches per inning and is walking over 5 guys per 9. Granted, 3 terrible games make up the bulk of the walks but he still throws a lot of pitches to get through 5 innings at AA. Control is one of the hardest things to fix it seems like, so hopefully there's a good solution in mind.

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    26 minutes ago, bean5302 said:

    Simon-Richardson was one of the big pieces in the Mets Stroman trade a couple years ago. 4 pitch pitcher. Fastball, chaneup, curve and slider. Seems like he ran into pretty massive, and unexpected, control problems this year, but he's a 20 year old pitching at AA after the lost 2020 season.

    A very nice write up on Simon-Richardson https://jaysjournal.com/2020/02/15/blue-jays-2020-top-prospects-4-simeon-woods-richardson/

    Great.

    Prospects twice-traded do not fare well. I actually looked at this a couple years ago. There were a couple of exceptions of course and maybe something has changed since I looked or maybe this is “the one”

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    1 minute ago, Whitey333 said:

    Well we will see.  We traded arguably our best hitter (Cruz) and now our.best.pitcher (Berrios) for prospects. I hope they are major league players.soon.and.good.ones.  But prospects are just.suspects until they prove themselves.  So why, at least as of.now,.did we.trade.away.our.best.two players.and.have.all..these stiffs still on the team?

     

    Cruz was a FA.....why keep him? 

    All these players were once prospects......

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    Just now, Hosken Bombo Disco said:

    Great.

    Prospects twice-traded do not fare well. I actually looked at this a couple years ago. There were a couple of exceptions of course and maybe something has changed since I looked or maybe this is “the one”

    I think Martin is the sure* thing here, and the pitcher is riskier for sure.......Do they need pitching? Yes. But they also need hitters and fielders. 

    *no player is a sure thing....

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    2 minutes ago, Taildragger8791 said:

    I see the ranking on SWR but he concerns me with his control issues. He averages over 18 pitches per inning and is walking over 5 guys per 9. Granted, 3 terrible games make up the bulk of the walks but he still throws a lot of pitches to get through 5 innings at AA. Control is one of the hardest things to fix it seems like, so hopefully there's a good solution in mind.

    I always take pitcher minor league numbers with a huge grain of salt. There are so many controllable reasons they struggle: 

    • working on a third pitch and throwing it far more than they would in the majors
    • working on refining mechanics
    • focusing on grips
    • working to get batter command in a dangerous part of the zone
    • and so much more
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    3 minutes ago, Mike Sixel said:

    Cruz was a FA.....why keep him? 

    All these players were once prospects......

    Yes, and they've already weeded out the possibility of being a bust by having a long career of success.

     

    Acquiring prospects does nothing for me. They'll either be awful and we'll keep them too long or they'll be good and we'll trade them for more prospects. At no point will this formula amount to winning unless you keep your good players.

     

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    7 minutes ago, Hosken Bombo Disco said:

    Great.

    Prospects twice-traded do not fare well. I actually looked at this a couple years ago. There were a couple of exceptions of course and maybe something has changed since I looked or maybe this is “the one”

    I’d be interested to see that. Did you compare them to how all prospects fare in general? And how once-traded prospects fare? I don’t think the success rate of any prospect group would be super-high, but it would be interesting to see if there was a meaningful penalty for being traded / being traded multiple times.

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    Why get a SS when we have Royce Lewis in the wings?  Or isn't he anymore.  Wasn't he first round, first pick WAY BACK IN 2017?  Most of the times none of this makes any sense.  So we got a pitching prospect and a SS prospect for one of the best pitchers we have had in the last 20 years?  

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    29 minutes ago, Cap'n Piranha said:

    ...Hassell is 3 years younger, and putting up better numbers at A than Martin is at AA...

    Low A ball is two levels below AA. The two biggest steps in the minors, in my opinion are Low A to High A and High A to AA. This is especially the case after the restructuring. The competition level for Hassell is dramatically lower and he's probably an ETA of 2024-2025, cup of coffee in 2023 probably at the earliest.

    An .807 OPS in AA from a first year pro as a potential shortstop is way more impressive than a .855 OPS in Low A from a first year pro as a potential center fielder, even with the age difference.

    That said, Martin might have a tough row to hoe in becoming an MLB SS so that might slow him down a bit. He was primarily a 3rd baseman at Vandy before this past season when he saw more time in center field. His fielding percentage at AA SS lines right up with other Twins prospects at the position (which is to say very bad). Right now, I'd say Toronto is trying to maximize his value to the club by pushing the shortstop plan.

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    Just now, MABB1959 said:

    Why get a SS when we have Royce Lewis in the wings?  Or isn't he anymore.  Wasn't he first round, first pick WAY BACK IN 2017?  Most of the times none of this makes any sense.  So we got a pitching prospect and a SS prospect for one of the best pitchers we have had in the last 20 years?  

    Well, SS can usually move to CF, LF, 3B, 2B, or stay at SS.......What would you expect to get for 1 player?

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    1 minute ago, Mike Sixel said:

    Fangraphs is sliding Martin down to 59th on their list! We'll get a write up later today.....

     

    I'll be interested to read this, but what I remember reading about Martin was more that he was a good athlete who could play a valuable defensive position, not that he was necessarily a likely SS. So "lack of defensive fit" isn't a huge knock, IMO.

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    Just now, whosafraidofluigirussolo said:

    I'll be interested to read this, but what I remember reading about Martin was more that he was a good athlete who could play a valuable defensive position, not that he was necessarily a likely SS. So "lack of defensive fit" isn't a huge knock, IMO.

    And it isn't like 59th best prospect is bad......It is great.

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    9 minutes ago, Whitey333 said:

    Well we will see.  We traded arguably our best hitter (Cruz) and now our.best.pitcher (Berrios) for prospects. I hope they are major league players.soon.and.good.ones.  But prospects are just.suspects until they prove themselves.  So why, at least as of.now,.did we.trade.away.our.best.two players.and.have.all..these stiffs still on the team?

     

    Because.Otherwise.We.Would.Have.Lost.Both.In.Free.Agency.And.Gotten.Nothing.To.Show.For.It.  Why would we have kept these guys on one of the worst teams in baseball right now??  Cruz is 42 and it's time for Larnach, Rooker, and Kirilloff to get those ABs. 

    And Berrios was never going to resign with the Twins.  Today, his value would have never been higher that it was right now at this moment.  There is no way that some team gives us there #2 and #4 prospects for him next year for 2 months work of service.  

    These trades were scores for the Twins and the Rays and Jays 100% overpaid for Cruz and Berrios.  Joe Smith has been forgotten in all of this but he is starting for Team USA in the Olympics today and he was the Rays Minor League Player of the Year in 2020.  And that's saying a lot for a team that has proven to be the MLB version of the Baltimore Ravens when it comes to drafting.  Joe Smith very realistically is our #3 or #4 next year before even seeing what we bring back in Free Agency or in further trades this afternoon.  And Austin Martin is one good Spring Training away from being our 2B next season.  

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    3 minutes ago, Mike Sixel said:

    Well, SS can usually move to CF, LF, 3B, 2B, or stay at SS.......What would you expect to get for 1 player?

    I certainly would not expect a SS when we have one waiting?  I guess if the are moveable, but still makes little to no sense when we need pitching. 

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    We got Aston Martin! My heart is beating faster now!

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    These are two highly ranked prospects, no question. But the high-upside comes with questions on both.

    Big questions about Martin's arm - left field and 2B aren't positions of need now or in the foreseeable future  - FalVine's penchant for top bats continues, with the theory that the defensive role will work itself out eventually.

    SWR's seeming control yips don't bode well.

    I hope our evaluation guys and our on-field guys are on the same page about developing these two jewels.

    Call me greedy but I was hoping for a couple of low-minors guys in addition - moderate upside only, but genuine C+ prospects.

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    3 minutes ago, MABB1959 said:

    Why get a SS when we have Royce Lewis in the wings?  Or isn't he anymore.  Wasn't he first round, first pick WAY BACK IN 2017?  Most of the times none of this makes any sense.  So we got a pitching prospect and a SS prospect for one of the best pitchers we have had in the last 20 years?  

    Because Lewis may not be a SS and will start next year in A+ ball. Lewis will have missed 2 years and struggled in 2019.

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