The Trade Target that Fixes The Twins Outfield

15 minutes ago, Cody Pirkl said:

A pivot to Renfroe adds so many dimensions to a Twins' lineup in need of a breath of fresh air. In addition to Renfroe’s superior bat, he was also worth six Defensive Runs Saved in left field and two in right field. A slight defensive downgrade is possible, but that step down will be far outweighed by the need Renfroe would fill in the Twins lineup. 

 

 

 

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Two in right field vs 12 for Kepler, not an improvement. Renfoe range is well below average so you are gaining nothing. excpet maybe with him thinnking:    Here comes the ball, here comes the ball, oh darn, there goes the ball , there goes the ball.

Kepler has become one of new punching bags since Jake Cave is gone.

Renfroe is the perfect low-risk high-reward pick. People will complain about his defense but Garlick’s isn’t much better, plus Wallner is going to be up early in the year and will make up for Renfroe’s defense. He can be an impact bat batting 4/5/6 and for around $10-11 million on a one year deal that sounds good, he also won’t cost much to trade for

I doubt Milwaukee is looking to trade a player who provides offense. The Brewers are looking to add bats to their roster. 

Renfroe does not interest me as a potential roster pickup via trade.  

Would Renfroe be a downgrade defensively? Of course he would. But I don't that much better offensive production wouldn't overcome any runs lost. Rumor has it the Brewers may be looking to cut some payroll if possible. Assuming that's true, this deal could make a lot of sense.

Financially, I have really liked the idea of adding Haniger as a RH option to the OF, despite some injury concerns. Haniger has a better bet, but with Renfroe being a better daily bet for the lineup, he may be a better choice. And $, they'd be very close, IMO.

If Renfroe is better in LF...and I don't know if that's the case or not...Larnach and Wallner have the arms for RF for sure. 

I like this idea a lot. My concern would be what do we have to give up for a player that is currently on a 1yr deal? Urshela makes sense. But what else? Would we have to give them Larnach or Wallner? I think I might have to pass if that's the case and again think the best FA route.

But in principal, this is a pretty smart idea.

2 hours ago, MTV said:

Renfroe is the perfect low-risk high-reward pick. People will complain about his defense but Garlick’s isn’t much better, plus Wallner is going to be up early in the year and will make up for Renfroe’s defense. He can be an impact bat batting 4/5/6 and for around $10-11 million on a one year deal that sounds good, he also won’t cost much to trade for

LOL, Wallner will be in AAA, unless the Twins want to repeat this year; lets see, 6 walks and 25 strikes out plus Minus 35 runs saved in the outfield, just what the Twins need, go from Plus 12 runs to Minus 35 and difference of only 47 runs. yes sir just what the Twins need.

I would not have Garlick any where but Left Field, now Renfoe may work there.

BTW, I forgot to address Garlick in my earlier post. While I would have been 100% OK leaving him off the roster in favor of protecting an additional prospect, I do understand why the Twins kept him at this time.

While he is a very different player, he is this year's version of Cave in 2022. The FO knows they need better.  He's signed to hang around and be removed later, but is hopefull keeper, like Cave, who is a fall back option or break glass in case of need option. I believe his time on the 40 man is limited.

If renfroe is so much better then Kepler, why would they trade him? Besides most of urshela's stats look as good or better. So we give them to great fielder for one player? 

6 hours ago, RpR said:

 

Kepler has become one of new punching bags since Jake Cave is gone.

Nah.  That's Garlick's job.

Tough for Kiriloff and Larnach to make us too left handed from the IL.

Sounds great. Good all-around player. Just don't think he's available. 

Is there some reason we couldn't keep Kep in right and put Renfroe in left? Gordon is a better fit as super utility then everyday LF. Larnach and Kirilloff haven't proven they can stay on the field let alone produce. We haven't had offense come from left field since Rosario was let go. If we can play Rooker in left a few years ago I'm guessing Renfroe can more then handle it.

If we're talking about trading Kep somewhere...and I do think we need to do that...I'd be ok with Renfroe coming here. Don't know if Mil is looking to trade him or not. Also depends on what we're giving up. There's also the matter of him being with four teams in seven years...why? Is he a clubhouse problem? If we're talking about Renfroe over Garlick...well that's not even an argument. See ya Kyle!

Brewers need more bats, not fewer. Don't see them moving Hunter 

The team does need a right handed bat, especially in the outfield. They have too many young lefty bats in Kiroloff, Kepler, Larnach, and Wallner. Gordon proved his value with position versatility so he should stay. Kepler will likely be traded, and Kiroloff, Larnach and Wallner are similar players with good power but lots of strikeouts. Of the three I think Kiroloff has the most upside as a player who could hit for a high average, be a doubles machines with his best position first. Wallner has the best speed, strong arm and athleticism. To his credit Larnach lost weight last year and looked to be in great shape. If one of these gets traded Larnach is the most likely for the reasons given.

1 hour ago, Riverbrian said:

Current Roster OF. This is what they did last year. 

2022 OPS

Byron Buxton - .833

Nick Gordon - .743

Kyle Garlick - .717

Trevor Larnach - .712

Matt Wallner - .709

Max Kepler - .666

Alex Kirilloff - .651

Gilberto Celestino - .615

Mark Contreras - .441 

 

Y'all comfortable with our OF offense. 

If you don't see/anticipate big improvements from Wallner, Larnach, and Kirilloff......then you don't see any future for the Twins anyway.....

I am more interested in Manuel Margot of the Rays. RH bat who is a good defender. He's getting too expensive for Tampa.

3 hours ago, weitz41 said:

Is there some reason we couldn't keep Kep in right and put Renfroe in left? Gordon is a better fit as super utility than everyday LF. Larnach and Kirilloff haven't proven they can stay on the field let alone produce. We haven't had offense come from left field since Rosario was let go. If we can play Rooker in left a few years ago I'm guessing Renfroe can more then handle it.

Not just for weitz41 but for all the doubters: Gordon played CF when Buxton couldn’t play during first half and played LF almost every other day. Why is he not a starter based on his offense in 2022? His offense matches Rosario’s less 8-10 homers. Young, can run, SS arm…….don’t understand why he’s not penciled in for LF everyday & occasionally in CF or 2B? Hit .270 last season with 40 double potential!

My opinion, just because you can play multiple positions shouldn’t relegate you to playing 3 times a week at varying spots. If Larnach/Kirriloff can hit with some pop & hit .275 or better then carve a spot in right or left and move Gordon around where/when needed. Don’t see the benefit in not continuing the opportunity for Gordon from the jump in 2023 based on real 2022 results!!

I'd pass. Anyone who thinks a career .240 hitter (Renfro) is significantly better than a career .232 hitter (Kepler) with both having nearly identical OBP just because he's right-handed needs to reevaluate their priorities. 

15 hours ago, tony&rodney said:

I doubt Milwaukee is looking to trade a player who provides offense. The Brewers are looking to add bats to their roster. 

Agreed.  Why would Milwaukee part with Renfroe unless they get a very good return - likely significantly more than Hernandez fetched.

Possible that Renfroe might be non-tendered by the Brew Crew?

5 hours ago, ashbury said:

 

Quite the range of projected outcomes. ?

A most assuredly possible maybe, but it looks like MR. Renfroe is to remain with the Sudsmen.

Well, that opinion solved. Who should we look at next?