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    Matt Braun

    For the third offseason in a row, the Twins will venture into the unknown in need of a shortstop. Carlos Correa is technically on the roster—MLB roster rules currently limit premature exits—but he will almost certainly opt out of his contract. If the Twins make the perfectly reasonable move of not re-signing a likely future Hall of Famer in his prime, here are a few under-the-radar players for Minnesota to target.

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    Miguel Rojas
    Batting ability eludes Miguel Rojas—the 33-year-old owns a .260/.314/.358 career slash line, after all—but his defensive acumen stands somewhere between “slick” and “wizard-like.” Advanced stats and traditional numbers agree on his ability; Rojas is the 13th-best shortstop by OAA over the last three years, and his .980 career fielding percentage is 7th amongst 23 shortstops who have played at least 5,000 innings since 2014. 

    That first boot drops with extra authority, though; Rojas owns a "stomachable" 85 OPS+, but his line dropped across the board in 2022, and his OPS barely churned water above the .600 mark (.605). If the Twins acquire Rojas, his offensive ceiling will look similar to Andrelton Simmons’, and Simmons only became one of the most disliked Twins in recent memory. 

    According to Jim Bowden, the apparently frugal Yankees targeted Rojas at the trade deadline in 2022 but balked at the Marlins’ high asking price. Although their main target was pitcher Pablo López, not Rojas, New York’s interest reveals that a successful team, one that can undoubtedly aim higher, covets Rojas as a potential starter.

    Rojas signed an extension with the Marlins that will pay him $4.5 million in 2023, making him a cheap alternative to the expensive shortstops hitting free agency following the World Series.

    Rojas is a leader in Miami’s clubhouse and acts as their MLBPA representative—two critical skills Rojas could bring to a team potentially losing a well-respected player in Correa.

    Kyle Farmer
    The Twins have already poached 40% of the Reds' starting rotation; why not take their starting shortstop as well? Kyle Farmer can hit a touch more than Rojas—he owned an 88 OPS+ in 2021 and a 90 mark in 2022—but his defense remains more enigmatic; OAA loved his work in 2021 (92, very good) but found it repulsive in 2022 (34, not very good). 

    Let’s talk about that bat: Farmer is a tough batter to strike out—his 17.6% K rate over the last two seasons is the 37th lowest amongst 118 hitters with 1,000 plate appearances—and as you can glean from that previous stat, he has been durable as well; Farmer has played in 292 games over that stretch. He won’t wow anyone with his offensive capability, and moving from the Wiffle ball stadium that is Great American Ballpark likely will not help his numbers, but true versatility and availability are skills the Twins have lacked since the excellent 2019 season. 

    Farmer can play every infield position—including catcher—and owns a handful of innings in the outfield, although that should be a “break glass in case of emergency” option. The 31-year-old former Georgia Bulldog will not become a free agent until after the 2024 season.  

    C. Trent Rosecrans, the great Athletic beat writer covering the Reds, writes that “[i]n a clubhouse full of good guys (from the media standpoint), Farmer stood out.” Win or lose, and there were many losses on that Reds team, Farmer was always available to talk to the media. You never know how a guy will fit into a team, but acquiring a player with great character could be an unseen boost to the Twins.

    Nico Hoerner
    It’s implausible that the Cubs will trade Nico Hoerner; the 25-year-old enjoyed a true breakout 2022 season slashing .281/.327/.410 with excellent defense on a mediocre Cubs team. A player capable of that production would typically never swap teams, but the Cubs—always lustfully searching for their next terrible contract—could dump a pool of money on Trea Turner or Dansby Swanson and choose to swap Hoerner. This move isn’t likely to happen, but where’s the fun in only thinking logically?

    Hoerner is a player in the model of the Piranhas of old: a fast, high-batting average infielder with slick handles and a fun name. He could provide the Yin to the power/OBP Yang so prevalent in a modern Twins lineup, creating the peskiest 1-2 punch in baseball when paired with Luis Arraez. Hoerner and Arraez combined struck out at a lower rate than the average MLB hitter in 2022. Hoerner can also play passably in center field.

    The Twins would have to part with several prospects and young players—4 WAR infielders yet to hit arbitration do not grow on trees—but a package focused on a few redundant young arms and outfielders could do the trick. Ian Happ, Chicago’s main attraction, hits free agency soon, and the Cubs have not developed a good, young starter since Jake Arrieta grew out his beard. Again, this move is unlikely, but baseball is always good for a shocking transaction or two every off-season.

    Digging for unexpected players is always a fun activity, but this practice left a single impression: the Twins need to re-sign Correa. With as much respect as possible, players like Rojas and Farmer seem like great clubhouse fits, but neither moves the needle much for on-field ability, and these were some of the better players apparently available. 

    The Twins should probably act on Correa instead; good shortstops don’t grow on trees, and the ones that do like it when their paycheck reads “$300 million.” Rojas and Farmer are fun, upstanding players, but they feel like re-arranging one’s room rather than buying new furniture. We shall see what the Twins decide to do in the off-season, but these are a few players to keep your eye on

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    Funny how everyone wants to spend huge money on SS. There are now four teams left, and NONE of their shortstops would have made anyone's 'elite' list pre-season. Two are rookies. One is former Twin-for-a-day Kiner-Falefa. And the Phillies guy I'd never heard of before.

    All the big money (including our own Carlos Correa) is sitting at home. Spend the money instead on an ace and a couple serious bats (including an actual MLB catcher). Sign a good defense-first SS. You can get them cheap without shipping out prospects, and they don't have to be over-the-hill terminal weirdos like Simmons.

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    Just now, palmspringstwinsfan said:

    I suspect we’ll see a trade with the Yankees to get Kiner-Falafa. They don’t need him anymore 

    I was thinking the same thing. And after Lewis comes back he can become another Super UT player as he plays SS, 3B, 2B and C.

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    1 minute ago, PatPfund said:

    Funny how everyone wants to spend huge money on SS. There are now four teams left, and NONE of their shortstops would have made anyone's 'elite' list pre-season. Two are rookies. One is former Twin-for-a-day Kiner-Falefa. And the Phillies guy I'd never heard of before.

    All the big money (including our own Carlos Correa) is sitting at home. Spend the money instead on an ace and a couple serious bats (including an actual MLB catcher). Sign a good defense-first SS. You can get them cheap without shipping out prospects, and they don't have to be over-the-hill terminal weirdos like Simmons.

    And the guy that raplaced Correa on the Cheatin' Astos, Jeremy Pena, is not too shabby, either.

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    And we go back to the junk pile.  Picking assets from the last place team allows us to have a last place team as well.  Let's fill with what we have until Martin, Lee, Lewis step in.  With luck that will not be long.  Correa led us to 3rd place and a 481 percentage.  With KC and Detroit still in the division I suspect we can get away with a patchwork for a while.  

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    12 hours ago, Kevin Urdahl said:

    I'd rather give the job temporarily to Nick Gordon, and wait for either Royce Lewis, Austin Martin, or Brooks Lee. Let Correa walk and spend the money on top line pitching instead.

    Do you actually really think that any topline SP would ever come here, if Gordon was our starting SS? It's hard enough the way it is.

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    9 hours ago, PatPfund said:

    Funny how everyone wants to spend huge money on SS. There are now four teams left, and NONE of their shortstops would have made anyone's 'elite' list pre-season. Two are rookies. One is former Twin-for-a-day Kiner-Falefa. And the Phillies guy I'd never heard of before.

    All the big money (including our own Carlos Correa) is sitting at home. Spend the money instead on an ace and a couple serious bats (including an actual MLB catcher). Sign a good defense-first SS. You can get them cheap without shipping out prospects, and they don't have to be over-the-hill terminal weirdos like Simmons.

    Sure they may not have spent huge money of SS, but there have stars all around the diamond and pitching staff, can the Twins say that?

    Also which ace are you hoping to sign?

    Bauer, Price, Sale, DeGrom, Verlander, Syndergaard, Kershaw, Carrasco, Manaea, Gibson, Minor Heaney, Kluber, Bassitt, Rondon?

    Also which serious bat is available in FA besides Judge? maybe Arenado opts out or Rizzo? Turner, Bogaerts, Belt, Hosmer, Turner, Abreu, Sano, Bell,......?

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    Thanks for listing a couple options Matt.  I always appreciate when someone "does the work" to get the comments rolling in on TD.  None of these guys do anything for me though.  Well, Hoerner does, but if the Cubs signed one of the big name FA's they'd probably just move Nico to 2B or 3B.  He's not going anywhere.

    Correa should be their primary option, but if he actually DOES get the huge payday, it probably won't be from us.  I don't like 30-somethings SS's and if Rojas was an option as a bridge to Lewis or Lee I'd want him as a throw-in in a trade for Lopez.  The Yankees will have both Cabrera and Peraza on their roster next season so Kiner-Falefa is the next best option to me.

    However, as I've mentioned before, I'd also check in with the Royals to see what it would take to acquire either Adelberto Mondesi or Nickey Lopez.  Bobby Witt Jr is the SS in K.C. for the next 10 years.  Either of those guys would be an interesting pickup. 

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    A good read. If the Twins really wish to think of competing, then Correa is the expensive answer. Lewis could be the answer but that depends on his comeback from the injury. Gordon, Polanco, Arraez, Urshela, and Miranda provide huge upside to hitting and infield capabilities making the Correa dream one we could live without if we have to.

    Our outfield is solid in Garlick, Kirilloff and Larnach can stay healthy. Celestino provided a pleasant surprise and the dude can field. I have lower opinions at this point of Buxton and Kepler. One is too fragile and the other can't hit above .240. 

    Catching is a black hole right now.

    Bullpen is pretty solid.

    Starting pitching is a very large QUESTION MARK!!!!

    Twins Geezer..........out!

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    3 hours ago, TopGunn#22 said:

    However, as I've mentioned before, I'd also check in with the Royals to see what it would take to acquire either Adelberto Mondesi or Nickey Lopez.  Bobby Witt Jr is the SS in K.C. for the next 10 years.  Either of those guys would be an interesting pickup. 

    2021 version of Lopez would be quite intriguing to bring to MN. Mondesi is a less talented Buxton, we have no need at all for another guy at a premium position who can't stay on the field. Hardest of passes on him. But I agree that Lopez would be interesting to make a call on.

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    3 hours ago, miracleb said:

    Palacios defensively stacks up with all of these and his bat is just as bad as most of these....and we let him go for nothing......

    Does he, though? And while it may just have been small sample size and adjustment period to the majors, but Palacios was dreadful at the plate, looking almost completely helpless in his brief turn. Nico Hoerner is a much, much better option than Palacios and it's not really close.

    Hoerner's presence on this list really just highlights the possibility that the Cubs won't be bidding on Correa, Turner, or Boegarts this off-season, which would be to the Twins favor by reducing the number of bigger market teams that might bigfoot an offer. Doesn't mean the Twins will get any kind of discount on Correa, but fewer teams bidding is always better for us.

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    4 hours ago, Doctor Gast said:

    Do you actually really think that any topline SP would ever come here, if Gordon was our starting SS? It's hard enough the way it is.

    If the money & years are right, it won't matter who is plugged in at SS. Just like it won't bring anybody in at a discount having Byron Buxton patrolling CF. Yes, players want to win and will look at the overall status of the club when deciding to sign somewhere, but at the end of the day FA signings have a lot more to do with years and dollars than anything else. It's the opportunity to make life-changing, generational wealth, even if it means playing with a guy who uses a frying pan rather than a glove behind them. Besides, people can convince themselves of anything: "They'll address SS next season. He's better than you think. Better team defense will make it look ok. I strike out everybody anyways." and so on...

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    4 hours ago, TwinsDr2021 said:

    Sure they may not have spent huge money of SS, but there have stars all around the diamond and pitching staff, can the Twins say that?

    Also which ace are you hoping to sign?

    Bauer, Price, Sale, DeGrom, Verlander, Syndergaard, Kershaw, Carrasco, Manaea, Gibson, Minor Heaney, Kluber, Bassitt, Rondon?

    Also which serious bat is available in FA besides Judge? maybe Arenado opts out or Rizzo? Turner, Bogaerts, Belt, Hosmer, Turner, Abreu, Sano, Bell,......?

    My point exactly. Last year's hot SS getting overpaid this year is NOT a ticket to a championship, building a complete roster is. If you don't sign Correa, you have $40-50 million available to supplement the roster. Enough to pursue and sign both Rodón and Contreras. With enough to add a Haniger/Benintendi bat/glove to our weak/injured OF. And a cheap defense-first SS to stopgap until in-house folks are ready. With luck, fewer injuries and some progression of young players, that team could compete.

    Sign Correa, and you kiss off that flexibility. For the better part of a decade. The Twins will look to fill in any other gaps on the cheap meaning we might be looking forward to 2022 replaying over and over. With the last few years having Correa being an overpaid below league average player ala Miguel Cabrera (or JD).

    There are lots of options (including trades which aren't even touched on here), but most of the best of them disappear if you lock up $30+ million for 8 years on a position that doesn't age well.

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    4 hours ago, old nurse said:

    When you say something like this it makes me wonder if you read the comments posted on this site

    ??? Don't you ever read things that make you giggle? Or am I supposed to agree with everything posted on the site? Especially the comments? I can pretty much guarantee that if everybody posted the same thing here, and everybody agreed with all of the articles, and I agreed with everybody else here, I'd never visit the site again.

    I come to learn, sometimes be inspired by other Twins fans, sometimes (okay, a lot) share their pain, and sometimes share my opinion (which is based on decades of playing and watching the game, and yep, is just as flawed as many others here). Renewing as a caretaker for next season will be a super easy call!

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    17 minutes ago, PatPfund said:

    My point exactly. Last year's hot SS getting overpaid this year is NOT a ticket to a championship, building a complete roster is. If you don't sign Correa, you have $40-50 million available to supplement the roster. Enough to pursue and sign both Rodón and Contreras. With enough to add a Haniger/Benintendi bat/glove to our weak/injured OF. And a cheap defense-first SS to stopgap until in-house folks are ready. With luck, fewer injuries and some progression of young players, that team could compete.

    Sign Correa, and you kiss off that flexibility. For the better part of a decade. The Twins will look to fill in any other gaps on the cheap meaning we might be looking forward to 2022 replaying over and over. With the last few years having Correa being an overpaid below league average player ala Miguel Cabrera (or JD).

    There are lots of options (including trades which aren't even touched on here), but most of the best of them disappear if you lock up $30+ million for 8 years on a position that doesn't age well.

    What do you think Rondon and Contreras are going to sign for? Do you think that Rondon is taking less than Gausman/Berrios/Ray? All over 20 and 5 years. Stroman is over 22 only for 3 years.

    What about Contreras? he made 9.6 last year, don't you think he will be asking for at least 5/90 or at least something like Perez (4 -82) and Realmuto (5 -115), Grandal  (4-73)

    Also Haniger made 7.75 last year, you don't think he will be looking to double that?

    Are contracts like that going to age well? And how much money does that really leave over if you are paying 40 plus for those two?

    I am not really disagreeing with your idea, but you also need to be realist when you are basically talking about paying 2 of the top 3 free agents on the market. (Minus the short stops of course)

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    4 minutes ago, TwinsDr2021 said:

    What do you think Rondon and Contreras are going to sign for? Do you think that Rondon is taking less than Gausman/Berrios/Ray? All over 20 and 5 years. Stroman is over 22 only for 3 years.

    What about Contreras? he made 9.6 last year, don't you think he will be asking for at least 5/90 or at least something like Perez (4 -82) and Realmuto (5 -115), Grandal  (4-73)

    Also Haniger made 7.75 last year, you don't think he will be looking to double that?

    Are contracts like that going to age well? And how much money does that really leave over if you are paying 40 plus for those two?

    I am not really disagreeing with your idea, but you also need to be realist when you are basically talking about paying 2 of the top 3 free agents on the market. (Minus the short stops of course)

    I don't know all the answers to your questions. But if you don't sign a top SS and suck up $30-40 million a year for 8 years, and with other contracts like Sanchez and Sano off the books, you could sign Rodón to something like $28 million for multiple years, and still have around $22+ million per year to lure the needed bats. And unlike SP, you are not locked in on bats as much to one player; Vasquez would bring a league-average bat (which is distinctly above average for a catcher), solid D, and leadership at catcher. Benintendi would bring improved defense, health, and an MLB caliber bat to the lineup and OF. Those are only two options. Trades open others (like freeing up Kepler's salary, or trading for someone and having the available budget to lock them in)

    The main point being, that if you sign a top SS, I DO know the answers. They will all be "No". No Rodón, No Contreras, No Haniger. No better than 2022. (When, again, we were the worst team in baseball down the stretch with our big buck SS playing at the top of his game, and ALL LCS teams leaning on less expensive contracts at SS; even SD whose big money SS is suspended.)

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    26 minutes ago, PatPfund said:

    you could sign Rodón to something like $28 million for multiple years, and still have around $22+ million per year to lure the needed bats.

     

    I feel pretty confident they Twins aren't spending 25+ million on a starting pitcher unless they change their pitching philosophy next year.

    Also I am not a fan of another light hitting left handed hitting outfielder

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    I really don't understand the argument - "spend that money on a pitcher" .. Which one, realistically are you hoping to sign?

    DeGrom, Verlander, or Rodon? - You cant count the first 2 out.

    This years class is fairly weak in terms of top tier pitching. and as the FO has demonstrated for the last 6 years, they are not going to be spending more than 10 mil for a bullpen piece, so scratch that.

    Save the money for 2024? - Severino, Nola, Ohtani?

    Even if they did sign Rodon, for something like 5 / 115 this year, they would have roughly 36 mil to work around with this offseason. 

    That's not counting Kepler or Urshela being moved, which would free up 9 mil a piece  ... So this narrative that it's one or the other is kinda pointless. 

     

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    8 hours ago, Jeff D. said:

    I have lower opinions at this point of Buxton and Kepler. One is too fragile and the other can't hit above .240. 

    Just a reminder that the American League batted .242 this season.  Numbers are not what they used to be. 

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    9 hours ago, TopGunn#22 said:

    Thanks for listing a couple options Matt.  I always appreciate when someone "does the work" to get the comments rolling in on TD.  None of these guys do anything for me though.  Well, Hoerner does, but if the Cubs signed one of the big name FA's they'd probably just move Nico to 2B or 3B.  He's not going anywhere.

    Correa should be their primary option, but if he actually DOES get the huge payday, it probably won't be from us.  I don't like 30-somethings SS's and if Rojas was an option as a bridge to Lewis or Lee I'd want him as a throw-in in a trade for Lopez.  The Yankees will have both Cabrera and Peraza on their roster next season so Kiner-Falefa is the next best option to me.

    However, as I've mentioned before, I'd also check in with the Royals to see what it would take to acquire either Adelberto Mondesi or Nickey Lopez.  Bobby Witt Jr is the SS in K.C. for the next 10 years.  Either of those guys would be an interesting pickup. 

    With you 100% 

     

    Mondesi may be non tendered, I’d like to see the asking price of Nicky Lopez.  I’d give Mondesi a look in that even if he struggled or gets hurt you are ultimately waiting for Lewis to take over.

    Ultimately you would like Correa but don’t want to be strapped with him for 8+ years at 30+ per

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    7 hours ago, PatPfund said:

    ??? Don't you ever read things that make you giggle? Or am I supposed to agree with everything posted on the site? Especially the comments? I can pretty much guarantee that if everybody posted the same thing here, and everybody agreed with all of the articles, and I agreed with everybody else here, I'd never visit the site again.

    I come to learn, sometimes be inspired by other Twins fans, sometimes (okay, a lot) share their pain, and sometimes share my opinion (which is based on decades of playing and watching the game, and yep, is just as flawed as many others here). Renewing as a caretaker for next season will be a super easy call!

    Not everybody wants Correa resigned. I find it hard to laugh at that kind of statement. 

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