Have the Twins Been Unlucky in 2021?

Have they been unlucky? Definitely.

However... I don't think it's anyone one thing in particular.  Rather it seems almost curse like.  If it can go wrong, it has. 

Baseball is a cruel sport. Fickle and flighty on the best of days.  

 Unlucky? Yes.  Playing extremely poorly? Yes. A ridiculous amount of injuries to key players? Yes. That's a bad combination.

Offense? Bad.  Pitching? Bad. Defense? Bad.  AND at the worst possible time....the last innings of close games. 

Aside from all that, I think the season has gone quite well. 

9 minutes ago, Twins_Fan_For_Life said:

Aside from all that, I think the season has gone quite well. 

That dumpster fire reminds me of the Twins defense 

Luck. You make your luck. The Twins just play horribly. 

4 hours ago, h2oface said:

Luck. You make your luck. The Twins just play horribly. 

Yeah I remember when I first heard those words from my varsity basketball coach.  At first I didn't think he was right but upon further reflection practicing, being prepared for pressure situations, staying calm and not making unforced errors these are things that help you get "lucky" against your opponents.

In Baseball you can hit a ball hard but right at someone for an out.  You can throw a good pitch and still have it end up in the seats, but that stuff usually evens out.  Not making errors, not swinging at bad pitches out of the zone, not giving up walks free passes to 1st these are things that can be controlled to some extent and give you chances to turn the game in your favor.

Sure sometimes the competition is just better and you get beat but often times it is the little things that add up to losing.  Make your own luck by being more prepared more skilled than your competition that is the only way to give yourself the best chance for success.

Good article, but awful defense in the late innings have nothing to do with luck. I can think of several losses that absolutely should not have happened, even given how lousy they have been. Professional baseball players should be making those plays.

Some interesting stats that I looked up on baseball-reference.com

- Twins starters have left 54 inherited runners for the bullpen. That is about league average.

- 69% of those runners have scored. That is the worst in baseball and it's not even close. The next closest is Philly at 49%.

There are lots of problems with this team, but if you had to pick a place to start it's gotta be the bullpen or the way they are using their pitching staff. Maybe they need to move to an opener strategy.

Any talk about the Twins being unlucky this year is just a coping mechanism to help fans deal with reality. It's like telling kids that their 12 year-old cocker spaniel didn't come home from their last visit to the vet because she "went to live on a farm".

This is a bad ballclub that deserves to be ranked last in MLB. And that's right where they are. The sooner we all accept the likelyhood of a 107 loss season, the better we'll handle the rest of the season. I don't think kneeling and praying to the BABIP Gods is going to help anyone.

It's the Curse of Eddie Rosario....The person in Mgmt that wanted him out better admit publically HE was wrong in that decision.  That should make things better.....

Luck! Schmuck! The Twins have magnified their bad luck with bad play. Some by Rookies and 2nd rank players but some by Donaldson and Simmons, who have previously been elite defenders. Yeah, yeah...I suppose that is bad luck too. but if the relievers would pitch faster and throw more strikes, we wouldn't be so unhappy. 

I don't think they are unlucky at all. If you look at the 7 extra inning losses....they lost all those games on merit. They couldn't bring in a runner from second with no outs and the other guys, playing fundamental baseball, did.

they have failed to modify their approaches as the situation calls. They don't have a clue how to advance runners.

the pitching hasn't been unlucky...it has been terrible.

The only area that one might allow a bit of bad luck would be injuries. Every team has them, but the Twins have had more than their share, one could argue. Then there is Buxton. Possibly the most exciting player in the game....his body is not compatible with playing the game hard day after day. Don't know if that will ever change.

Instead of using BABIP to determine luck, I was curious what looking at BA vs xBA would show. According to Baseball Savant the Twins have a BA of .245 and an xBA of .255, for a difference of negative 10 points.  So at first glance there appears to be a little bad luck, but not a ton. But I noticed it also says that for MLB as a whole BA is .236 and xBA is .243, for a difference of negative 7 points. So really the Twins have only been 3 points of BA more unlucky than MLB as a whole. So, that means we're only losing 3 hits per 1,000 at bats to bad luck, when compared to the rest of the league. Some rough mental math tells me that's about 1 hit every 9 or 10 games.  When put that way, that doesn't really seem like much to me. Not even close to being able to blame that for a 13-26 record.

Twins pitchers on the other hand have actually been getting a little bit lucky using this method. Twins pitchers are giving up a .256 BA vs a .270 xBA, for a difference of 14 points.  Again, MLB as a whole has 7 points difference, meaning Twins pitchers are actually giving up 7 fewer hits than expected per 1,000 at bats, relative to the rest of the league.

Sure they have been unlucky.  Add poor luck to a bullpen that has been awful and you get a team that is on track to lose 100 games.  It is probably time to begin asking what assets the Twins have that could be traded for prospects and young players. 

Does someone want the services of Nelson Cruz for the rest of the season?  Anyone willing to take on the Miguel Sano reclamation project?  Maybe Taylor Rodgers can attract a potential suitor or two?  Are the Twins going to pay Buxton to keep him long term or is it time to get what we can for him before he hits the free agent market?  It might be time to start thinking about 2022 and beyond.

A veteran team of Allstar to superstar players playing the game like they have this year tells me all I need to know about their management/coaching. These guys(players) don't take it seriously, and that starts from their manager telling them they don't have to. It not bad luck, its terrible leadership, from the staff and players alike.

I have seen them play enough bad baseball this year to attribute very little if any of their futility to bad luck.   Losing has been a team effort - one part of the team will always fail at a key moment - if it is not the Starting Pitching, then the Bullpen blows a lead, if the bullpen pitches well, then the defense caves in, if not that then the offense stagnates.   Sometimes everything falters.   Also consistently not delivering with men in scoring position - the offense has been disjointed.  The team has been disjointed.   Almost wonder if the playoff futility has impacted them mentally.  Do they need a mental coach or better coaching?    What is up with the bullpen allowing inherited runners to score at a record pace - bad pitching or bad preparation.  I can't attribute that to bad luck at this point because the bullpen has been consistently awful.    Maybe bad luck that the every pitcher in the bullpen has collapsed at various points - there has not been a constant reliable arm to calm the storm.    Astudillo hits well except when it is a pressure situation - then we can count on a pop-up, double-play or one of his rare strikeouts.   Bad luck or can't rise up to the moment or just not good enough?      Honestly Refsnyder has come up and hit and  hit with men in scoring position - I know that won't last, but at least it is refreshing to see.   

6 hours ago, LewFordLives said:

Some interesting stats that I looked up on baseball-reference.com

- Twins starters have left 54 inherited runners for the bullpen. That is about league average.

- 69% of those runners have scored. That is the worst in baseball and it's not even close. The next closest is Philly at 49%.

There are lots of problems with this team, but if you had to pick a place to start it's gotta be the bullpen or the way they are using their pitching staff. Maybe they need to move to an opener strategy.

Ouch

I have to ask...is RBI still a useless stat?  Sounds like we could use a few of those.

I don’t see bad luck as any part of this. Roy Smalley was asked for a win prediction pre-season. He said 90. He was asked, "Why so low?" His answer. The Twins have too many question marks all around the diamond. The FO foolishly gave away Rosario for Cave and failed to acquire players such as Michael Brantley, Springer, Maikel Franco (back up uncertainties at 3B and 1B and he would have played a lot so far!!!), Pillar. 

Another big mistake was letting so many bullpen arms escape and replacing them with bargain basement types. Previous to that, they could have been super aggressive on Bumgarner, Stroman, Darvish, Ryu and others of that ilk. If you lose these recruiting battles time after time after time, you will certainly lose to a team like the White Sox, who did what our front office could have.

5 hours ago, Bomba2026 said:

It's the Curse of Eddie Rosario....The person in Mgmt that wanted him out better admit publically HE was wrong in that decision.  That should make things better.....

I agree with you 100% It was a very poor personnel decision. One of the player changes but only one, that’s resulted in a 101 win team gasping for air.

22 minutes ago, se7799 said:

I have to ask...is RBI still a useless stat?  Sounds like we could use a few of those.

It’s a classic stat, one of the most important for 150+ years. Some hitters just perform better in the clutch. Rosario was one such player.

Yes, I absolutely 100% feel the Twins have been a victim of bad luck. They have had a covid issue, they have had a number of injuries including multiple in the same game and I think you could even make an argument that 2 weeks of day games to begin the season took the team out of normal routines, especially when they started to slide and maybe could have used some infield or batting practice. They've also had a number of weird bounces and hops and lame duck bloop hits, and seeing eye grounders, etc, that have victimized them in crucial moments.

And these things absolutely could and probably did lead to some tough losses and might have lead to the cascade of losses that now make this season look like an apparent lost year.

BUT...not including vast injury issues...tough bounces, blind singles, bloop hits and weird bounces happen to every team and balance out overall.

What is NOT bad luck are fumbled grabs, poor throws, hanging pitches with 0-2 counts and ineptitude to put a ball in the OF with runners on 3rd and no or 1 out(s) or a failure to even advance a runner in crunch time. 

Weird things happen in baseball at times. What's truly weird to me is a sudden collapse of so many players and such bad performances all at once. You expect to see bad years, bad weeks, even bad months here and there. But a virtual collapse of performance in all areas for a talented team expected to contend like this is something I've seldom seen. Unfortunately, reminds me of the Twins in 2011, but maybe even worse.

I don't think Baldelli just became a poor manager or Johnson just suddenly became a poor pitching coach. I don't think the "talent" of the players just suddenly evaporated like vapor in the air. 

But a successful team is a result of many pieces of a puzzle put together. Once in a while, you build what appears to be a good team, but the pieces just don't fit right. You add some bad luck like injury situations and the such, suddenly you have the  2021 Twins.

20 hours ago, Bomba2026 said:

It's the Curse of Eddie Rosario....The person in Mgmt that wanted him out better admit publically HE was wrong in that decision.  That should make things better.....

While I always liked Eddie, the front office 100% made the right decision. I think Kiriloff, in a sss, so far has backed that decision up and it will be exciting to see what he can do the rest of the season.

18 hours ago, cHawk said:

Kirilloff was the replacement for Rosario, not Cave. Rosario’s value wasn’t anywhere close to what he had to be paid ($10M) whereas Cave, whilst a lot worse, is only paid $0.6M which is pretty close to his value.

But the practical result was exit Rosario and Cave taking over the playing time. Kirilloff may yet be the replacement for Rosario and then things will be better!