Game Recap: Twins 10, Cleveland 0

I know "confidence" is 100% intangible and these are professionals so it shouldn't matter but...it does and it's impossible to measure how much.

I'm curious how much different the Twins bullpen would look right now if they'd had a few of these games early on, so the struggling pitchers (e.g. Colome, Duffy, even Dobnak) could have gotten back in their groove.

But that's what happens when you always put yourself in a hole.

Please replace Shoemaker with Dobnak... there's just no upside with Shoemaker. Dobnak might be able to at least be the #5 guy going forward (like they're paying him to be). His stuff had more life this time out, with some more Ks than usual. He's clearly better starting than coming out of the pen.

This was a case of a highly resistible force (Cleveland’s offenses), running into a very movable object (Twins pitching). We won this battle of titans, but I wouldn’t draw too many favorable conclusions regarding Dobnak or the bullpen quite yet.

47 minutes ago, Danchat said:

Please replace Shoemaker with Dobnak... there's just no upside with Shoemaker. Dobnak might be able to at least be the #5 guy going forward (like they're paying him to be). His stuff had more life this time out, with some more Ks than usual. He's clearly better starting than coming out of the pen.

Agreed! I questioned this strategy right from the start. Dobnak seems to have the starter mojo.

Happ and Shoemaker were horrible signings from the get go. The only question to me was, how much will it cost us, and not in money, but in games. Any pitcher can have a good streak, and this outing surely doens't make me change my mind about how many games Dobnak will cost us too, but it is nice to get a good start out of him.

Twins winning two in a row spoils the narrative a wee bit, that the 2021 Twins are an awful team and 2019, 2020 were fluky outlier seasons.

I really hope the Twins are done experimenting with Dobnak as a reliever. Dobbs has the stuff of a long-term starter. That sidepin sinker of his at 93 mph is killer. The ball curves and dips almost like Scott Erickson's high-speed screwball, but without the damaging arm action. It would be nice to see him add a high-zone four seamer to sprinkle in if hitters start using their golf swing.

Ah the narrative is still the same, this is a damaged bad team, just won another game.  They will win more.  Josh another error? We have a long ways to go kids.

Twins picked up a nice win and I thoroughly enjoyed it. There's another game today. That's the non-buzzkill narrative as of this morning. 

A nice start after a minor league stint. Let's hope he can keep it going. As for Shoe, I'm not a big fan but he can give us 3-4 good innings of long relief when needed. Hey, we took a flyer that he could return to a decent form and he has pitched ok for 3-4 innings before imploding in each start. He's not going to be a top starter anyway. As for Happ, he's done what was expected- 3-4 good starts and 2-3 not so good. A 10-10 season at best is about all we could have expected. Maeda and Berrios are bigger disappointments at this point based on what we expected.

How nice - love the Dobnak win, but think about Ober starting against a hitting team and Dobnak starting against a pitching team.  Luck of the draw.

It was great to see Dobnak return to his starter role. I wasn't sure he'd return with that unshakable confidence after his misusuage at relieving, but he has. Dobnak is a starter, you have to give him the opportunity to win the game.

 Baldelli's excuse of not pitching Dobnak was that there was too many close games. That was EXACTLY the time to use the hot Dobnak, coming off a hot ST. That statement, showed a lack of confidence in Dobnak and misplaced confidence in a shaky BP, coming out of ST. If management had used Dobnak in those situations we wouldn't be in the hole that we are in.

Dobnak is not an ace, but he's a dependable ground ball pitcher. He's only as good as the infield that supports him. So to judge him you have throw the stats out the window. If you have Simmons in the game, you can usually depend on the offense to score a couple of runs and if the BP can hold and save games; we'll win games. I'd bet on it.

Up to this game Twins were only scoring by bomba so good to see some other run scoring hits

Nice to see a hiccup in the Cleveland pitcher development program  ... Of course, the rookie that came in looked pretty good, so it probably won't be a trend.

Great seeing Dobber return and pitch like most of us know he can.  If a certain manager hadn't tried to make a reliever out of a young pitcher who has been a starter most of his life, we would have seen several games just like he pitched last night. 

Will they keep him in his starters role going forward?  If they don't, it will be further proof of mismanagement by this staff.  As for where he slots into the rotation, there are a couple obvious choices or even going to a six man rotation with the number of games they seem to be playing without off days.

10 hours ago, jkcarew said:

This was a case of a highly resistible force (Cleveland’s offenses), running into a very movable object (Twins pitching). We won this battle of titans, but I wouldn’t draw too many favorable conclusions regarding Dobnak or the bullpen quite yet.

I had similar thought.  One game shutting down a bad offense does not turn us around.  The Twins will need to have some very good months going forward to be competitive down the stretch.  However, Nationals a couple years ago got off to bad start and eventually turned it around to make playoffs and win.  Not saying Twins will do it because we are in a deep hole already, but you never know what might happen. 

2 hours ago, mikelink45 said:

How nice - love the Dobnak win, but think about Ober starting against a hitting team and Dobnak starting against a pitching team.  Luck of the draw.

Totally agree, Mike.  Along with the Twins pitchers putting up firestones inning after inning, seeing them score 9 runs without any home runs is a very welcome sight!