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Kirilloff had a lost season in 20, 21 and 22. Although it only takes one believer in a GM, the last 3 years may have dropped his stock Lopez had a career half year. He may bounce back and it wasn’t a fluke. He might not. The last 1/4 of the season would take the shine off the first. To digress, the real benefit to the trade was they could no longer call up Cano. Options rather than these 2 for your list? Can’t say because there are others might be higher on the list, might not.6 points
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The Top 20 Minnesota Twins Assets of 2023: Part 1 (16-20)
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These rankings are intended to provide a relative view of Twins players and prospects by appraising their big-picture value to the organization. The goal is to answer this question: Which current players in the organization are most indispensable to fulfilling the vision of building a champion? We account for age, contract, controllability, upside, etc. It's not strictly a ranking of trade value, because that would be more team-agnostic, where this list aims to capture a very Twins-specific POV. As such, players at areas of scarcity (i.e. pitching) get elevated while those at areas of abundance (i.e. lefty-swinging corner guys) get downgraded a bit. I always find compiling this list to be an interesting offseason exercise – one that surfaces unique conversations about Twins players, how we value them, and where the system's strengths and weaknesses truly lie. What made it so challenging this year is that, by design, these rankings are a snapshot in time – published at the start of January for no other reason than a new year feels like a good time to reset and reassess – and right now, it's very tough to get a read on the state of this organization and its talent. For one thing, it feels like we're in the midst of a slow-developing offseason journey with big twists still ahead. I have a strong feeling there will be noticeable changes to this list by March 30th. But even more, there is SO MUCH UNCERTAINTY with the players they already have. A snapshot at this midpoint of the offseason lacks clarity around key health-related details with massive implications. I struggled with many decisions, and they begin to crop up in this first installment. For example: If healthy, Tyler Mahle at $7.2 million is tremendously valuable, even with only one remaining year of team control. Can we safely operate under the assumption he'll be healthy and at full strength in 2023? (Spoiler alert: I decided no, and he just missed the cut.) Another example: If his latest surgery works and Alex Kirilloff returns to being roughly the player he was before his wrist affliction, he's a centerpiece in the lineup controlled for several years. Can you assume such a rare and complex surgery will take? (Spoiler alert: My cautious optimism got him on the list, but as you'll soon learn, not very high.) With that setup, let's kick off the countdown with my picks for the 16th through 20th most valuable assets in the Twins organization. First, you can check out my rankings from the past five years to see how the franchise's talent landscape has evolved: Top 20 Twins Assets: 2018 Top 20 Twins Assets: 2019 Top 20 Twins Assets: 2020 Top 20 Twins Assets: 2021 Top 20 Twins Assets: 2022 Top 20 Twins Assets of 2023: 16 through 20 20. Matt Wallner, OF 2022 Ranking: NR On a list like this, Wallner has a few key things working against him. First, his player type – strikeout-prone LH corner bat with big power – is fairly abundant in baseball, as evidenced by the Twins signing the poster child in Joey Gallo for $11 million. Second, that player type happens to be especially abundant in the Twins organization. So long as Max Kepler remains camped in right field, Wallner lacks a direct path to the majors, even though his skill set looks ready. The reason he still makes the list, just barely, is because his abilities within that skill set are SO exceptional. Baseball America rates Wallner as the best power hitter and best outfield arm in the Twins system – tools that were on display during a September debut in the majors. Wallner didn't put up terribly impressive numbers in 18 games with the Twins but had some big moments, and if he's shown one thing during his ascent through the minors it's that he can quickly put a slow start at a new level behind him and start dominating once he gets comfortable. The Twins will hope that's exactly what happens to the 25-year-old, who can make a big impact on the team's (near) future as either a slugger in the middle of the order or highly marketable trade chip. 19. Louie Varland, RHP 2022 Ranking: NR Around this time last year, there was still a degree of widespread skepticism around Varland. Sure, he'd earned Twins Minor League Pitcher of the Year honors in 2021 with some truly dazzling numbers, but was this former 15th-round draft pick out of a D2 college the real deal, or a flash in the pan? He backed up his breakout with a 2022 campaign that saw him: Named Twins Minor League Pitcher of the Year for a second consecutive year, posting a 3.06 ERA in 126 innings between Double-A and Triple-A. Debut in the major leagues, where he showed the poise and ability of a seasoned vet. In five starts, Varland posted a 3.81 ERA over 26 innings, completing at least five frames in each turn. Skepticism remains regarding Varland's true ceiling, which is why he doesn't rank higher on this list, but he has solidified his standing as a turnkey mid-rotation starter with six years of team control. His durability and consistency stand out from the field of pitchers in the Twins organization. 18. Sonny Gray, RHP 2022 Ranking: NR As things currently stand, Gray is the only pitcher in the organization who can credibly be looked at as a dependable frontline starter for 2023. That, in a nutshell, is why I had to include him in these rankings, albeit near the back end because the status of his contract (one year remaining at $12.5 million) and checkered bill of health this past season. Gray has been around the block. He's made All-Star teams. He's started playoff games. He's been a featured rotation piece for several teams in a decade of big-league action, and he filled that role pretty well for the Twins last year. It was a bummer that recurring hamstring issues limited Gray to just 24 starts and 120 innings, but he doesn't have the same kind of looming health-related questions as fellow veteran starters Mahle and Kenta Maeda. When on the mound, his performance was pretty much everything you'd want: a bulldog who throws strikes, keeping runners off the bases and batted balls in the park. To whatever extent the Twins are successful in the coming season, it seems very likely that Gray will play a pivotal role. 17. Jorge Lopez, RHP 2022 Ranking: NR As the 2022 season played out, the Twins recognized that in order to take the next step forward, they needed to buttress Jhoan Duran at the back of the bullpen with another dominating force. This revelation pushed the front office to do something they rarely do: invest big in a buy-high relief pitcher. The Twins gave up four prospects at the deadline to acquire Baltimore's All-Star closer, who was experiencing an instant breakthrough in his transition to full-time reliever. Lopez shook off his previous struggles as a starter and transformed into a convincing lights-out bullpen ace for the O's. His performance in Minnesota after the trade was far less inspiring, but unlike Mahle, there's no reason to believe anything is physically amiss for Lopez. His profile – heavy doses of whiffs and grounders with sinking upper-90s heat – is a pretty reliable formula for success. So long as he can get back to commanding his arsenal Lopez figures to be a key piece during his two remaining seasons of team control. 16. Alex Kirilloff, 1B/OF 2022 Ranking: 3 I'm an affirmed believe in Kirilloff. In five past iterations of these rankings, I've had him in the top five twice, including #2 in 2021 and #3 last year. I view his pedigree, IQ and ability as a hitter to be in a rarefied class. He's flashed it in brief glimpses on the field, and last year AK hammered home his hitting prowess during a hilariously productive month at Triple-A (.385/.477/.725 in 28 games). But on the big-league field, Kirilloff's success has always been fleeting, with each setback tied to a clear culprit. The wrist injury that sabotaged his elite swing, and has now required two surgeries, will define Kirilloff's career. He'll overcome it with help from this latest intervention, or join the long list of rising stars fell victim to the brutal physical toll of pro sports – forced to make do rather than make hay. I'm bullish on Kirilloff overcoming it. If for no other reason than that the Twins as a franchise, and especially Alex Kirilloff as person, are overdue for a good break. The guy also lost a full year of development to Tommy John surgery, and despite it all, finds himself firmly planted in the majors at age 25. His talent is not in question. A healthy and raking Kirilloff would be a radical difference-maker in the outlook for the 2023 Twins and beyond. Ranking him 16th on this list is an attempt to balance that simmering potential with the cold realities of the human body and its limits.6 points -
Rumor: Padres Open to Dealing Shortstop Ha-Seong Kim
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I don't like giving up on Duensing this soon.5 points -
Can't quarrel with your list, Ted, but with one big cautionary note on Jax. Before he can be designated a late pen go-to-arm, he must make significant strides on probably the most significant stat for any reliever - Inherited Runs Scored(IRS). His 2022 rate of 42% was a tic below Duffy's at 44%, and higher than the much-lamented Pagan at 38%. Compare these to Thielbar(14%) and Duran at 22%. Which is why this FO needs to correct their gross negligence of last offseason by signing at least two back end relievers from a fairly flush FA stockpile still remaining. As things stand now, this is still an average pen at best on a team much too dependent on heavy usage of relievers in every game. But that's another story altogether!5 points
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Rumor: Padres Open to Dealing Shortstop Ha-Seong Kim
D.C Twins and 4 others reacted to Brock Beauchamp for a topic
There are so few data points that being concerned about this doesn't make sense. In fact, unless I'm forgetting something there's all of one data point on this. Byung-Ho Park. And he shared basically zero attributes with Ha-Seong Kim.5 points -
The Top 20 Minnesota Twins Assets of 2023: Part 1 (16-20)
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The two vets downgraded for injuries and injury potential is a sad situation and he is joined by Mahle and Maeda as "?" for the year. Let's hope Gray holds up and demands a big contract because of real production. Lopez I am not sold on - not injury, just the BP uncertainty. Shine in the first half, poor in the second - I hope he rebounds, but he has no history to rely on. Wallner lost his spot with Gallo signed and is a reason signing Gallo was a poor decision. You are wading in a turbulent pool and I look forward to your next list. I do hope Varland can continue his rise! With Ober another health issue is he next in line?5 points -
Man…you gotta come up with a better example than Berrios. As of now, that looks like the PERFECT sell-high move for someone that was actually overrated by the market. Didn’t hurt the team in any meaningful manner in the short term, and has a chance to help significant in the future. Maybe it will look different in 9 months, true. But there’s also a chance that it will look even better in 9 months.5 points
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Rumor: Padres Open to Dealing Shortstop Ha-Seong Kim
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No way would I include young pitching. I get you gotta give something to get something, but the Twins have no established starters under contract after this year. They need to keep all of their arms.5 points -
Five Minnesota Twins That Developed Most in 2022
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Rocco Baldelli’s team held onto a division lead for a substantial portion of the 2022 season. That continued to be the reality despite mounting injuries and a roster that needed more done during the offseason. Ultimately it led to a September of non-competitive baseball, and a stretch run that carried zero playoff implications. In that, the silver lining was certainly the development of players that should be looked at as cornerstones in the year ahead. Here is a look at a group that could be considered the top five. Nick Gordon After being thrust into more than 70 games during the 2021 season, it was clear that Nick Gordon had some utility for the Twins. He didn’t do enough to show what exactly that utility was. He played everywhere, but was below average as a hitter, and while he was good on the base paths it was difficult for him to get there. Fast forward a year and Gordon looks the part of a late-blooming asset. He was particularly valuable in the outfield as a replacement, and his 113 OPS+ was a substantial step forward. He made plenty of blunders, both defensively and on the base paths, that should question how tuned in he is while between the lines, but there’s certainly a 26-man roster asset here. Jose Miranda No one put up a better year in the minors, especially for the Twins, than Jose Miranda did during 2021. His .973 OPS didn’t earn him a spot on the Opening Day roster with veterans ahead of him, but it didn’t take long before he made his debut. In 125 games, Miranda posted a 116 OPS+ and blasted 15 homers. He certainly struggled a bit down the stretch as the opposition made changes to combat his abilities, but that is something he can grow into as he continues to develop. Miranda won’t be 25 until the summer and he should have more positional stability in the upcoming season. Playing less first base would be good for him, and that probably says a good deal about the production of Alex Kirilloff and Joey Gallo as well. Royce Lewis Maybe this is a surprise position for a guy who saw such limited action during the season as a whole, but it’s impossible to overlook how much of an impact was made. Lewis had gone two full years without playing an actual game thanks to the pandemic and an injury. He then debuted at Triple-A and posted a .940 OPS forcing his way into big-league action. Carlos Correa going down with an injury opened a spot, and then Lewis’ continued production allowed a position change to be another way he got onto the field. An unfortunate ACL injury ended his season a second year in a row, but it hasn’t stopped the belief in him from the organization. Since he was drafted there has been no reason to doubt him, and once again, he proved that. Griffin Jax For a guy that was a failed starter a season ago, the organization and Jax continued to work together as they have throughout his career. From finding a way to get him action while still dealing with military eligibility, to transitioning towards a bullpen role, it’s always been a work in progress for Jax. His 3.36 ERA was bolstered by a 3.17 FIP and a K/9 that jumped substantially to 9.7 K/9. His velocity saw an uptick, and he emerged as a late-inning option for a bullpen that needed more arms to trend that way. Jhoan Duran If Jax was a guy that emerged as a late-inning option, Duran was the guy that emerged as the late-inning option. A former starting pitching prospect that threw just 16 innings since 2019, he forced his way onto the Opening Day roster. Baldelli probably saw Duran as a godsend given how poor the bullpen was from the get go. Emilio Pagan flopped out of the gate, and Tyler Duffey was DFA worthy well before he ultimately was given that pink slip. Duran put up a ridiculous 1.86 ERA with an 11.8 K/9 and re-wrote the Twins record books when it comes to velocity readings. There isn’t a single player in this group that won’t be counted on by the Twins from the get go in 2023. Baldelli has had a few changes to his projected roster from a season ago, and while the front office still has work to do, there’s no denying that 20% of the roster is represented here (once Lewis is healthy), and each of them will be expected to take another step forward.4 points -
Rumor: Padres Open to Dealing Shortstop Ha-Seong Kim
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Give them Kepler, and throw in Duensing if needed.4 points -
The Twins' Pitching Pipeline Hinges on Louie Varland and Simeon Woods Richardson
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You are doing a great job of illustrating my point. Cleveland has a very well-documented record that shows their sustained success has been greatly influenced by making Berrios type trades. Yet, your post indicates disdain because the result is not immediate which is my point. Fans don't want to follow the practices that have made Cleveland and for that matter Oakland and Tampa successful. You want immediate impact. Here is how I see the Berrios trade as of today. I would guess Berrios will bounce back but the fact that he had negative bWAR does not scream mistake. SWR could end up producing as well as Berrios over the next 6-7 years. This is how I would take Cleveland's strategy and adapt it to our situation next year. I will take the roughly $21M AAV over the next 5 years and add $9M AAV and sign someone like Nola. I am not saying they will I am saying this could be done. For $11M you upgrade from Berrios and add SWR and Martin. That easily has the potential to produce 10 WAR for $11M. Cleveland's success has been a product of executing these deals.4 points -
The Twins' Pitching Pipeline Hinges on Louie Varland and Simeon Woods Richardson
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That's fair. We definitely have a different definition of success. I collected data since the turn of the century. Success can't be defined in one season for me. I watch 100+ games every year and I want to see a good product as many years as possible. Since the turn of the century, the Royals have had one 90 win season and they have the lowest win percentage in all of MLB. Oakland has (10) 90-win seasons and the 4th best winning percentage in MLB. Cleveland also has (10) 90-win seasons. Tampa has 8. It's not even remotely close for me. 3 weeks of a successful playoff run is not preferable to 20 years of watching a miserable team.3 points -
The Top 20 Minnesota Twins Assets of 2023: Part 1 (16-20)
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Excellent start to your assessment of the 2023 Twins player assets Nick. Looking forward to the rest of the posts. I think you are right on with Wallner as a wild card to adjust. Varland looked quite comfortable on a MLB pitching mound in his brief trial. Gray has been a really good pitcher and projects to be the best Twins starting pitcher if he is still on the team in April. Lopez could go just about any direction but I think he could rebound with a vengeance. Finally, Kirilloff is rightfully lower on the list due to his injuries but it is entirely possible that a fully healed wrist unleashes those St. Paul numbers on MLB pitchers. "For one thing, it feels like we're in the midst of a slow-developing offseason journey with big twists still ahead. I have a strong feeling there will be noticeable changes to this list by March 30th." This line from the post most exemplifies the current state of the Minnesota Twins; things are in flux.3 points -
Meanwhile, expectations for Varland are getting ahead of themselves, IMHO.3 points
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Rumor: Padres Open to Dealing Shortstop Ha-Seong Kim
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How about Farmer and Pagan? For moving on from a young, impatient player, SD gets a quality veteran utility infielder and a relief pitcher who (according to advanced metrics ?) is very, very good. Our FO can’t be the only FO who thinks Pagan is the second coming, right? The entire league must see his greatness as well.3 points -
The Twins' Pitching Pipeline Hinges on Louie Varland and Simeon Woods Richardson
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Clevinger was acquired via trade in 2014. He debuted in 2016 at age 25. They eventually traded him for Austin Hedges, Josh Naylor and Own Miller. Kluber also debuted in 2016. They got him by trading Jake Westbrook in 2013. They eventually traded Kluber for Emmanuel Clase who was ML ready. They acquired Carlos Corrasco for Cliff Lee. Cleveland acquired Lee a year before he debuted for Bortolo Colon. Colon was acquired in the international draft. So, the way that went was they drafted Colon and eventually traded him for Cliff Lee who they eventually traded for Carlos Corrasco who they eventually traded along with Francisco Lindor for Amed Rosario and Andres Gimenez. The two of them produced 10 WAR last year. Trevor Bauer and Bryan Shaw were ML ready when Cleveland acquired them by trading Sin Soo Choo and Tony Sipp. Konnoe Pilkington was also acquired as a prospect. I keep hearing people calling for them to do what they did in Cleveland. However, much of Cleveland's most important pitching pipeline as well as their current position players were acquired by trading established players for prospects. Basically, they did several Jose Berrios type trades. There was a great deal of angst here when they did that trade. Some people are still complaining and saying they were not serious about building a contender when in fact similar trades had been a huge part of Cleveland’s success over the past couple of decades. They would have been a lot closer to the Royals over the past 20 years if not for trading established players for prospects.3 points -
Organization To Add Talent Through International Free Agency
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Sounds like Twins have deals in place with Hendry Chivilli (SS, DR) and Ariel Castro (cOF, Cuba).2 points -
Joey Gallo?
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I am sure at this point WHOEVER the Twins woudl go and sign a good chunk of us will complain. At least it is a move, but does it really make sense? Gallo does not change the trajectory of the Twins, he could be decent, he could be good, but if he doesnt change the trajectory, is there really a reason to sing him? Don't we already have logjam... or at least a good number of options for OF/DH spots? Larnach, Kirilloff, Kepler, Wallner, We have Garlick (expendable) on the roster, we have players at AAA who are close as well. Since 2015 here are his BA... .204/.040/.209/.206/.253/.181/.199/.160 CAREER .199!!!! He hits less than Miguel Sano, actually strikes out MORE (if you can beleive that) so we pay him $11M. Where does Gallo play? RF is his best position. but we have Kepler. He could be DH, but didnt we want to get away from having a primary DH? If you say, well that makes Kepler expendable yoru nuts!!! We are now paying Gallo MORE then Kepler, Kepler's BAD years are .220, that is a career year for Gallo. I knwo batting average is not the biggest thing, but making contact and getting on base is!! Again, maybe Gallo has another career year at hits 40HR with a .230 avg. and you want to talk about health??? 2019 he played in 70 games, 2020 57, he did get in 153 games in 2021 and then 126 last year. So, no better than what we have (no better than Sano who we DFA), not a position of need, does not have a consistent history of playing 150 games. OF COURSE lets go ahead and pay him $11M!!! The banning the shift aint gonna do anything against K's. ANY sense that this FO has a clue is out the window... throw a low ball offer at Carlos Correa (relative to current market) and OVERPAY for Gallo. BRILLIANT!!! Lets not pay $13M for Noah Syndegaard, lets pay $11M for Joey Gallo. Regardless of the results Gallo does this year, he could be MVP and I will stand 100% by the call that this is a HORRIBLE signing and shows incompetence. Imagine that He was a draft pick and a prospect with the Rangers while Levine was in Texas just continues to show how myopic this FO is. There was obviously scouting that had Levine like him to draft him, is he still stuck on those old scouting reports? does he think he can get the "true potential" out of him? I challenge ANYONE to provide ANY solid, coherent defense that says this signing is anything but horrid. Anyways, LET's GO TWINS!!!2 points -
Buxton is the only one with a remote chance at one of these awards. I no longer have faith he can play enough to win one, but the outside chance is there. One could see him staying healthy and playing platinum glove level CF with 90 XBHs, ending up at some ridiculous WAR around 10. Remote, but at least seems possible. Areaz has no shot. Yordan Alvarez hit .306 with a million HRs and RBIs and finished 3rd. Arraez would need to add a significant amount of power to his line to even enter the bottom end of the conversation. We saw his ceiling, IMO. He’s already dealing with a broken down body. I don’t see him being healthy all year. Very good player, but overvalued by Twins fans and has way too many things working against him (power, defense, health). Maeda might not be in the top 3 on the team for potential Cy Young candidates. But, none of them really have a shot, so it feels like a waste of time even typing it. Im not especially high on Wallner. You never know, I could be wrong. Maybe he’ll throw together a season like we saw recently from Gallo. But, I’d be shocked. The league will adjust to his successful debut, and I expect some struggles in 2023. With the “depth” we have in the corner OF spots, he might not even stay in the rotation. If things were wide open for him to work through some struggles, I may feel differently about his chances at an award.2 points
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2022 Vikings Regular Season Thread
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Another reason to rest JJ and others this coming week.2 points -
Good analysis. I'd be unhappy with a major-league commitment to Castro, but he's not so old that he can't find that one last tweak to his game that makes him a viable major-leaguer, so let him devote 2023 in St Paul to that, and see what happens. Welcome, Willi, and I never thought I'd say that.2 points
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Five Minnesota Twins That Developed Most in 2022
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Duran was our most pleasant surprise, So was Lewis he was great until his MLB CF debut. Miranda had a chance to redeem himself after Lewis got hurt, & did a bang up job. Jax did a fine job. Gordon was our most dependable OFer & has established himself very valuable to the Twins. The 1st part of the season especially late April. May & 1st week in June Celestino was with Buxton & Arraez as our best hitters plus a very good CFer, he had a big jump from last year. The last half he couldn't sustain it but I expect Celestino better sustain those offensive #s this coming season. Having Celestino back up Buxton with Gordon we absolutely don't need Gallo in CF. Gordon has established himself in the OF, keep him out of the INF.2 points -
Predicting the Twins Contenders for MLB’s Major Awards in 2023
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A healthy Buxton has to be an automatic MVP finalist. Using past bWAR as a predictor, in 2021 he had 4.5 bWAR in 61 games which comes out to 11.8 bWAR for 162 game season and in 2022 he had 4 bWAR in 92 games which comes out to about 7 bWAR for 162 (I was terrible at math so take all of this with a grain of salt). The top two MVP finishers last year were Ohtani with 9.6 bWAR and Judge with 10.6 bWAR. If he can just keep it together, he will definitely be in the conversation but that is always a big if.2 points -
The Twins' Pitching Pipeline Hinges on Louie Varland and Simeon Woods Richardson
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I had just graduated from college. It was great but no way in hell as a fan would I trade KC's 25 years of futility with one 90 win season for what Oakland / Cleveland and Tampa have provided in terms of a quality team to watch. If a WS is all that matters to you, that's your prerogative. I won't get that wrapped up in a goal that should be expected to be achieved once every 30 years if we get our prorated share. Give me a 90+ win team as often as possible and I will take my chances in October. BTW .... The Blue Jays / Phillies / Tigers / White Sox / Mets / Reds / Brewers / Rockies / Orioles / Pirates / Marlins and Padres have all had 4 or less 90-win seasons this century. The big market teams simply have a huge advantage.2 points -
Always enjoy this exercise, Nick, thanks. Understand your injury concerns, but I believe Mahle and Maeda are both going to be healthy and strong members of next year’s rotation. Where I may differ is I believe this FO doesn’t plan on any big moves. Maybe a reliever, but this team may be the one they go to war with.2 points
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Seems like this could be expanded beyond players in the system. When I think of organizational assets I think of Target Field, next season's first round draft pick, goodwill for the Twins brand, their television contract, etc.2 points
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Rumor: Padres Open to Dealing Shortstop Ha-Seong Kim
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One Kyle Farmer is enough for me, I'd not trade assets for a second.2 points -
Rumor: Padres Open to Dealing Shortstop Ha-Seong Kim
chpettit19 and one other reacted to nclahammer for a topic
Not needed. Farmer will man that shortstop until Lewis is healthy. Gordon iprovides utility depth in the infield and outfield, unless Royce Lewis is not the answer for the Minnesota Twins at shortstop (which I feel the team thinks he is.)2 points -
2022 Vikings Regular Season Thread
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What’s unlikely? Packers beating the 49ers? Very likely imo2 points -
I Went to 57 Twins Games in 2022. Here's What I Noticed
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Great article. Number 12 is it. I go to about 30 games a year, probably 20-24 of those with my two kids. I love it. my kids ask why we dont "have a cabin" we go to during the summer like so many of their friends. We tell them that Target FIeld is our "cabin".2 points -
The Twins' Pitching Pipeline Hinges on Louie Varland and Simeon Woods Richardson
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I think any pitcher that the Twins currently have are part of the pipeline. I mean Maeda got here with the Grateral trade, but I think where the front office comes into question is that the crop of guys coming up through the system seems weak. I mean it was brought up that Cleveland still has guys coming through the system. They know that when they get rid of a Bauer, Kluber, Clevenger, Carrasco, Colon, Lee, etc..... that they have replacements already on their way. So that's where I question whether the FO actually has some magical method that produces a pipeline or if it was the Cleveland organization, their developmental team and coaches. I mean it's quite possible that if all of the Twins guys over the last 6 years or so had gone through the Cleveland system that they'd have a bunch of all star pitchers. What I think is that too much focus and or credit is being given to Falvine and their abilities. I think that they are just figure heads and that if the twins get a pipeline going it's going to come from whoever develops these guys. Falvine just provides some clay, the coaches and development team are the ones who create the final products. That's why every in year during free agency I always suggest forgetting so much about free agents and find an out how much money it would take to pry away the guys in Houston's or LA Dodgers organizations development teams and go out and sign those guys. Because they seem to continue to produce players year after year. I'm sure those guys have a price. I mean how many other teams can just let Carlos Correa go and have a Pena sitting there ready to take over?2 points -
Rumor: Padres Open to Dealing Shortstop Ha-Seong Kim
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Stuck the landing. Well done.2 points -
The Twins' Pitching Pipeline Hinges on Louie Varland and Simeon Woods Richardson
DocBauer and one other reacted to Mike Sixel for a topic
As Doc pointed out, no one from the last two drafts is in the majors. They've essentially had four drafts to produce pitchers. They also need to take hitters. The real key is more trades, imo. Kepler and Arraez should be dealt for pitchers.2 points -
The Twins' Pitching Pipeline Hinges on Louie Varland and Simeon Woods Richardson
Squirrel and one other reacted to Mike Sixel for a topic
They didn't give up on him. They traded a HS pitcher for a good veteran.2 points -
SWR and Varland are the flavors of the month because of their cups of coffee last September. Seems that most have either forgotten or written off the pitcher with the highest upside out of the group… Jordan Balazovic. My hawt taek is he leapfrogs both Varland and SWR with a strong start in St. Paul. SWR to me appears to be a decent floor, low ceiling pitcher. If he’s only sitting at 91-92 MPH, that’s not enough to elevate him to a mid or top of the rotation guy.2 points
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The Twins' Pitching Pipeline Hinges on Louie Varland and Simeon Woods Richardson
tarheeltwinsfan and one other reacted to ashbury for a topic
My freshman English teacher might look at that same sentence and deduct half a grade due to the mixed metaphors.2 points -
The Twins' Pitching Pipeline Hinges on Louie Varland and Simeon Woods Richardson
tarheeltwinsfan and one other reacted to DJL44 for a topic
The Twins are likely to get two strong, cheap seasons out of Sonny Gray. He is a no-brainer to give a qualifying offer to as a free agent which means the Twins are likely to get a high draft pick as well. Then they can draft their next Chase Petty.2 points -
The Twins' Pitching Pipeline Hinges on Louie Varland and Simeon Woods Richardson
DocBauer and one other reacted to tarheeltwinsfan for a topic
Really great post Doc. Well reasoned and well written. Your post is the perfect compliment to the well written article by Lou. And I say this, even though I still don't like trading Petty. But I must admit that I have really enjoyed watching Sonny Gray pitch. He is a true professional, gutsy, top of the rotation pitcher. I hope the Twins will be able to extend Gray. And I hope that Chase Petty has a long successful career, where ever he ma be pitching.2 points -
My initial thought, before reading, was, "Really? It's on these two kids?" But salient points all the way around. Nice article! I am also impatient to see the pipeline actually start to produce fuel for the future. And while I will not make excuses for the FO...I believe in holding them accountable for all the good and not so good...I personally still offer them some slack for 2 primary reasons. 1] While we are all tired of it, the inevitable truth is all but a handful of prospects lost an entire season of development in 2020. Yes, every team was affected. And NO, not everyone was derailed in some way as some talented young pitchers...and position players... have reached the ML level and done well. (BTW, this includes various Twins as well). But some were just drafted in '18-'+19, and saw their development delayed. Again, this is true for all teams. Additionally, Falvey and Levine have had 6 drafts thus far, including the most recent 2022 addition. It's not 7yrs, as some have stated. (Joined October of 2016). It would be unreasonable to expect anyone drafted in the '20-'22 drafts to be knocking on the proverbial door, much less breaking it down and being some sort of rotation mainstay. So the "pipeline" at this point would include anyone of relevance within the system before they came on board, as well as draftees from '17-'19. So even with the missed 2020 year, we're talking about a collection of HS and college arms from those 3 drafts being ready. Just to be real, a HS arm drafted in 2017 would have been in short season rookie ball. If he was a TOP prospect, he'd at least be in low A to begin 2018. Even if he as aggressively promoted straight to high A in 2018, he'd be looking at AA in 2019. Now, that's damn aggressive for a HS kid, but it happens from time to time. But then 2020 happens, and all but a few of top prospects sat out the year, with a few working out at an alternate site, trying to gain some experience. So in this scenario, a TOP HS prospect now reaches AAA in 2021, and MAYBE debuts at some point that year. So now, said TOP HS prospect is ready to have a FULL rookie season in 2022 for his team. And this is just logical steps for a TOP prospect who has no injuries, no setbacks of any kind, and makes steady progress at every level. And I understand an 18yo HS pitcher is different than a 21-22yo college draftee. But more times than not, that college pitcher goes to low A initially for what is a half season once signed. So there a half to a full season ahead of a HS draftee. And yes, they may be more mature physically and mentally, and advance more quickly. Simple logic. And thus, after having a half season of 2017, and 2 full seasons in '18-19, they might have debuted in 2020. Pretty sure a couple did, but not going to dig through 30 teams to see the few who did. So that leaves 2021 as either their debut, or 1st full seasons at the ML level. This is NOT making excuses to the FO, or the "pipeline", this is just NORMAL draft and develop timeliness that would fit most ANY drafted prospect. 2] The idea that someone you didn't sign or draft being a "non-developmental" prospect is absurd to me. You aquire talent in a number of ways, including trades. The fact that Ryan has looked pretty damn good, with potential, is on the Twins. The fact that Duran has been developed and converted is on the Twins. Jax's conversion looks sustainable. Moran's continued improvement is on the Twins. Ober's very nice debut, and his development, in 2021, and his quality results in 2022 when healthy, is on the Twins. Early debuts by Winder, Sands, Varland, SWR, is on the Twins. Hell, the initially solid debut from Dobnak, is on the Twins. (A healthy Dobber might surprise yet as rotation depth). And when I say "on the Twins", I mean the current FO and their coaches from the ML on down, and all their instructors. We have NOT seen what we want to see yet. And I'm as frustrated and anxious as anyone to see the proverbial "pipeline" deliver. But to a degree, we HAVE started to see the pipeline deliver. And if you take a step back and honestly look at everything I stated above, which is a PERFECT developmental scenario...which seldom happens...don't you have to realize that we're just starting to see the fruits of labor potentially blooming? Impatience and frustration are easy. Patience and perspective is much harder.2 points
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I'm a big fan of SWR. His development was very much screwed up at the time the Twins got him (Olympics, pandemic, fast promotion, etc). The talent has always been there, he really needed health, game experience, and a consistent development program. He mostly had that last season (the time missed to covid was really the only hiccup) and as a result you saw the pitcher who was such a highly touted prospect. He was very good at AA, and didn't backslide at all when he was moved up on merit to AAA. He pitched a career high in innings even with missing some time, he got his BB/9 back to a reasonable area, and while the K/9 slid back a little it was still very respectable. He was hard to hit, and didn't look scared in his first MLB start. And he's just turned 22.2 points
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The Twins' Pitching Pipeline Hinges on Louie Varland and Simeon Woods Richardson
beckmt and one other reacted to Nashvilletwin for a topic
To best capitalise on our emerging core (and for Falvey’s future with the Twins), the starting rotation in ‘24 at a minimum should include: a) Ryan, b) the reupped winner of the Mahle, Maeda, Gray sweepstakes, and c) at least two of Ober, Winder, SWR, Varland, and Balazovic. Best case scenario is that three of the youngsters make it and we end of with four quality starters on minimum contracts and under control. That way, if we somehow screw up the Mahle/Maeda/Gray sweepstakes (either all three aren’t very good or none of them want to stay here), we still have more than enough capital to commit to a strong #2 type in next year’s FA market.2 points -
Sell The Team
Mike Sixel reacted to howeda7 for a topic
Yep. Live sports and news are the only thing keeping linear TV networks/providers alive.1 point -
How would you divvy up championships?
tarheeltwinsfan reacted to DJL44 for a topic
Four for my daughter's D3 softball team and one for the Twins.1 point -
Miguel Sano, the implicit subject of this thread, has never scored 88 runs in his major league career. What are we talking about, again? Arraez scored his runs in 603 plate appearances. Only two other batters in all of MLB with that few PA scored more runs than our Luis. What are we talking about, again? The "per 162 games" argument seems to come and go at will.1 point
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The point is to win the Super Bowl, not win one game and get cooked in round two. At this point, I would be concerned about beating ANY of the possible first round opponents, New York included. The defense is what it is, the offensive line is in tatters (and it wasn’t good to begin with). We can’t run the ball worth a lick and these outdoor games in January especially on grass make it very difficult to execute a passing game. The receivers were on ice skates today. I’d much rather have a home game in round 2 as the 2 seed and maybe someone can knock off philly, giving us another home game of it were to go that far. That’s the only way we have a shot. They had an opportunity to essentially wrap up that 2 seed today and instead played almost as badly as they did against Dallas. I simply cannot comprehend being satisfied with losing in the playoffs. It’s a wild mindset.1 point
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I Went to 57 Twins Games in 2022. Here's What I Noticed
tarheeltwinsfan reacted to Richie the Rally Goat for a topic
In ‘07 through ‘09 we did a flex 40 when my wife was in college, she got student tickets, and we sat in the LF nose bleeds $5 for my seat, $2 for hers. So 40 games for around $300 for 2 tickets. I taught her how to score, we had dollar dogs we were broke, and a Twins game was cheaper than a movie and the gopher shuttle dropped us free a couple blocks away. good times!1 point -
A Trade Target in Oakland
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"Just say no." - Nancy Reagan1 point -
A Trade Target in Oakland
TopGunn#22 reacted to SF Twins Fan for a topic
At this point I'd rather the Twins just play the rookies this season and get them experience. The Twins have a solid starting pitching staff with Mahle, Gray, Ryan, Ober, Winder, Maeda and Paddock at some point and a much deeper bullpen than they did at the start of last season. If it goes downhill trade off the aging vets: Gray, Maeda, Pagan, Polanco and Kepler. By the end of the season the position players should be as follows: 1st: Arraez or Kiriloff 2nd: Edouard Julien 3rd: Miranda / Lee SS: Lewis Left: Larnach / Gordon Center: Buxton / Gordon Right: Kiriloff / Wallner DH: Arraez / Miranda There will be injuries and ineffectiveness, but playing the rookies should give the front office an idea of where the roster is moving forward.1 point -
3 Top Twins Prospects with Something to Prove in 2023
Major League Ready reacted to DocBauer for a topic
Severino? The 2-time bonus baby started to really come on last season at A+ and AA. Not sure if he begins 2023 at AA or is ready to take that next step. Tons of potential. Is this the year he establishes himself as a top prospect? He's still only 23yo. Festa? I could care less that he was a 13th round pick. He flashed at low A, slipped a little at high A, and then finished really strong. Is he for real? Sure looks like the stuff is, and he won't be 23yo until March. Raya? He finally got to pitch! He looked really good in his initial season. He's still very young. Just how good can he be in season 2?1 point
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I really hold back what I would like to say about then payroll arguments here. The fact that people don't accept the amount taken in dictates the amount going out requires one of two things. Extreme financial ignorance or fanatical bias that prevents the acceptance of something some basic. I did not change the argument. It's the same idiocy over and over. Do you really want to be on the side that suggests revenues does not determine spending capacity?· 0 replies
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