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  1. There’s no reason the Twins should not be in on one of the top 4 short stop free agents.
    6 points
  2. I think the article hit it perfectly, it depends on the player and the situation. For example, if say Brooks Lee makes team next season, or some other young player around age 21 to 23, that you have high expectations on, then signing a deal into their age 30 to 32 seasons makes sense. However, if they do not break into league until 24 to 26, there is little need to buy out FA years, and little incentive for player to want to do that too. Some times these contracts can backfire for the player or team. Both have risk. There have been a few guys signed to these types of deals when they are rookies that do not pan out for teams. Jon Singleton may be the most famous of these. He signed a 10 million deal with Houston before he ever played a major league game. He played less than a full MLB season, provided negative value and was cut. The deal had it panned out would have been a 5 year 35 mil deal, but he did get 10. Now this is not the type of contract we are really talking about, paying more in non arb years to have cost controlled arb years and maybe a year of FA. Being his 5 year deal would not have even got him through arb years. Basically, Houston threw away 10 mil in hopes of not having to pay more than 35mil over 5 year if the player was a superstar. Pretty big gamble for Houston, great call by player to sign that deal, considering he would not have earned much until year 3 anyways, and unless he was a mega star would not have even earned the 10 in year 4. Teams and players are looking to do these earlier deals to control costs and there is nothing wrong with it. But I do not think every player should be treated this way but with select players.
    6 points
  3. I think the major difference between the Twins players and Atlanta is that the Twins players are much older and does it make sense to extend people into their 30's? Arraez will be 29 when he is UFA, Ryan will be 32, assume Duran will be 31, Miranda will be 30 I think? I might extend Arraez and Miranda but not chance I am with Ryan and Duran.
    6 points
  4. Correa showed he's not worth $30 million. He was a non-factor in too many games, then made a contract push in September. I'm good with signing Iglesias. He makes the plays and plays with energy.
    5 points
  5. The Twins don't currently have many players in the talent level of these prospects the Braves are tying up. It's why there's a lot of comments here about "I'd wait another year and make sure they're the real deal." That's kind of the opposite of the point of what the Braves are doing with a number of these guys. The Braves are signing the Acuna, Albies, Harris, Striders of the world to extensions before they're established so they can save some money while trusting in their own development and internal scouting abilities to know they're extending guys who will produce. Waiting until Arraez is into his arb years to be willing to extend him takes away the savings in the FA years you'd buy out because you're not able to say you're paying him millions extra in his pre-arb years. On a side note, I'm not sure why Olsen is listed in this article. He's not at all the same type of situation as the others. That was just a straight up extension of a soon to be free agent they'd just traded for. They didn't buy out any team control. The Riley situation is more of what people in the comments are asking for. They didn't get him extended until he had a breakout, borderline MVP candidate season last year. And that's why he got 212 mil and not 100 mil like Acuna Jr. That's the big difference here. They're locking up young, likely superstars to significantly below market deals because they're willing to pay them 10 million in their pre-arb years in exchange for their free agency years being 10 mil a year cheaper than expected before they've established themselves as superstars. Suggesting the Twins wait until guys are more sure things defeats that purpose and just means you're signing the Riley type deal which isn't nearly as team friendly as the Acuna deal. But, back to my first sentence, the Twins don't have a bunch of Riley and Acuna's coming up right now. Lewis is the type of guy that would fit that mold, and, to @TwinsDr2021's point, is young enough to make him a candidate for this kind of move. I was a Lewis believer going into this last year and suggested I'd give him the opening day SS job so I understand that my view on him is more extreme than most, but I'd lock him up for 10 years and 100 mil right now. The rest of the guys are either already in their mid-20s so you'd be buying out their decline years anyways, or they're more everyday regulars than all-stars. Maybe Miranda is someone they want to extend? Kirilloff would be if his career weren't in question with the wrist. If Lee debuts next year I'd sign him to 10 years 100 mil as well. Lock him and Lewis up and call the left side of my infield set for a decade. But beyond those couple guys there's not many that would really be a huge benefit to locking in. Maybe Rodriguez becomes a guy like this in a couple years? The guys that this strategy is really for are the young studs that come up and you want to lock in their entire 20s. Twins need to start graduating guys before they're 25 if they want to start buying out FA years early on.
    5 points
  6. Interesting article. Three thoughts. FIrst, the Twins signed Sano to a 3 year 30 million dollar contract as well, so while the term was shorter, he could be added to the list. His did not work out. Second, I like the overall idea of signing young players to longer term deals IF we don't hand them out to players with injury histories, Kirilloff for example. Arraez I love but I wonder if his body will hold up for 5 or 6 years? With Duran, if he pitches well and is healthy all of next year, he could be a candidate. The same for Ryan and Miranda. Finally, Atlanta has a 200 million dollar payroll, so if they make mistakes in signing these contracts, they have 60 million more dollars to work with than the Twins. Still, I like the concept if it is applied intelligently.
    5 points
  7. Why? what drives attendance today? what about this setup would reduce attendance? Reduced star power in the rotation? Does Sonny Gray bring in tons of ticket sales? in 2022 length of game reduced my attendance. With 5+ pitchers used over 4 hours…. Brutal…. knock that down to 2 or 3 pitchers per game again. Like the good old days so many people wax nostalgically for, only 5 and 4 innings instead of 8 and 1. im totally behind the “out getters” phrase used by Counsell
    5 points
  8. Atlanta has extended some pretty athletic players. Polanco and Kepler fit the profile and Royce Lewis and Brooks Lee may be reasonable bets. I wouldn't put Arraez, who is a wonderful bat, or Miranda in the same category as Albies, Acuna Jr., Riley, or Harris II. Arraez may be a better bat now but he doesn't fit in the field as smoothly. The idea is worthwhile though. I don't think the Dobnak contract will cause much disruption for the Twins.
    4 points
  9. Major difference number 2.... Atlanta's players don't seem to be injured. Other than Acuna last year, I think most of those players play in baseball games.
    4 points
  10. I appreciated watching him play this year and appreciate the Pohlad’s willingness to do the deal.
    4 points
  11. Arraez for Twins MVP is a no brainer. Great player on a very poor, injury riddled and boring team. There is no way Buxton would even show up on an MVP list by playing part time. I would put Miranda, and Gordon ahead of him. The only thing Buck did that was noteworthy, other than hitting 28 Homer's,, was get management to sign him to a $100 million deal. Great contract by him for an 8 year part time player.
    4 points
  12. I enjoy and appreciate what Arraez does and I am happy with him as MVP - the slump in the second half holds back some of my enthusiasm. During this year my admiration for Miranda increased and my expectations for him are high. He had a difficult start, but then was the one Twin who knew how to hit with RISP! 268/325/426 are impacted by his start, but one stat 66 RBIs is the key for me. This rookie led the team in RBIs. Correa was second. Nick Gordon would be up on my list too - he did everything we needed - infield and outfield and hit 272 with at 753 OPS. Buxton did not play enough to rank for me. It seems like every year is a SSS and everyone gets excited. But my rankings would be: Arraez Miranda Correa Gordon Ryan Duran For MVP I prefer position players so Ryan and Duran being last on my list only means they would be first in Pitcher of the year.
    4 points
  13. Maybe Kill attendance was too strong of word, greatly reduce might have been better. Name recognition is probably number 1, talk to people from Tampa on why they don't go to watch games (Coming off of two straight division titles) One reason people go to games to see great players do great things and when you eliminate the possibly of that happening on the pitching side this can cause people to not show up. I have a 14 year old son who likes going to games, at least a half dozen times this year he said to me lets go to the Twins game and after we looked up who was starting he would (I always seemed like Archer or Bundy) say forget it. His baseball team had a morning game and bunch of the kids decided they wanted to go to the games so a few of us Dad's agreed, one kid asked if Buxton was playing and we looked up the starting lineup and it was a Day with no Buxton, Correa and I believe Polanco and Bundy was pitching and the kids decided they would rather go to the pool. This is a small sample, but in all the Twin Cities only so many people go to Twins games and if conversations like this are happening to people I know I assume it is a happening in other places. People like buying Jersey's of players, are people going to buy the jersey just another pitcher, I don't think so, I don't see Duran jerseys flying off the shelf and they should be he is amazing, but until he is a closer or starter he is just another relief pitcher and people don't buy middle relief pitchers jerseys. I also love the phrase out getters, my thoughts on that is you have 3 really good pitchers that can consistently get outs for 6 to 7 innings, you have a couple that can consistently get out for 4 to 6, you have a few guys in the pen that can consistently get you 2 - 3 and a few that are good for 1. Chris Archer was a great out getter for 3 to 4 innings this year and should have been paired with another out getter that could go 3 to 4 innings. Bundy was a pretty good out getter for 5 innings he should have been paired with a 2 to 3 inning out getter. Fans will buy this because it makes sense, what fans wouldn't buy is building a whole staff on this philosophy, unless I guess your have an offense full of all stars and future HOFS.
    4 points
  14. Yes to Carmago. The Twins need the depth and he shows some promise still. Once the Twins settle on their co-catcher, they will have to add a 3rd at some point. Might be someone like Leon. Or, they might add after the rule 5. But Carmago should be kept. I'm lukewarm on Javier. He still has a ton of talent and is only going to be 24. Maybe he's better served going elsewhere for a change of scenery. But despite poor results the past 2yrs, when you look at talent and age, I'm open to another year of "maybe this is the season it starts to click". Cabrera does little for me, but OF depth at AA isn't a bad thing so why not? Nothing says you are forced to keep him if he's simply outplayed.
    4 points
  15. Just fold this franchise. My God. We should have like $60 million to spend and we’re clamoring for “cheap options” and Iglesias? What the point? Do fans think they get bonus points for takes like that? It sure as heck isn’t going to win baseball games. We’ve been playing this “get cheap options and wait for someone” game for like two decades now. It’s gotten us a bunch of crap teams and a world record for playoff incompetency. On top of it, our farm system stinks right now. What the hell is there to lose? Its like some weird baseball masochism that’s unique to Twins fans. They should start giving away gimp masks as promotions at the games.
    3 points
  16. The Twins have no real long term payroll committed to anybody but Buxton. Kepler has two years left at 8.5 and 10, Polanco has two years at 7.5 and 10. Otherwise Nothing. Ryan, Ober, Winder, Varland, SWR, Balazxovi, Enlow, Henriquez, Jax, Duran, Moran, AlcaSands and any other minor league pitcher that helps is basically free. Arraez isn't a free agent until 25, Jeffers, AK, Larnach, Lewis, Miranda are locked up past 25 if they want them. Any other minor league player that comes up is basically free as well. If they wanted to they could sign Judge (45), Correa (35) and Rodon (25), next year would be a pretty high payroll but they could trade Gray, Kepler an it still wouldn't be cray high. (Not saying they should do this but to pretend the Twins can't go out and get who they want is simply not true) The Twins can sign anybody they want to sign,
    3 points
  17. Your both wrong. It was actually Judge Reinhold. MVP of Beverly Hills Cop.
    3 points
  18. I’d be okay with a combination of Urshela and Gordon (and Polanco in a pinch) until Lewis, Martin, Javier, or Lee seizes the position.
    3 points
  19. If the Twins wanted him that badly, the deal would have been done by now. That he has now opted out means, he isn't coming back, despite everyone 'saying all the right things publicly'. As for the now too cliche-ridden statement about having to take care of family...yeah, its not a good look. How many millions and millions are needed to achieve that in the real world? I would be happier if these guys would just be honest and say...I'm chasing the biggest contract any owner (fool) is willing to pay for my services.
    3 points
  20. Isn't that what every team has been trying to do since the beginning? Not in Practice. A below average starter (traditional designation) throws more innings than an above average reliever (traditional designation). 140 Innings from a 4.89 ERA and 60 innings from a 1.86 ERA is backwards. Then the solution is to not have bad or decent pitchers just good ones? correct? That is always what teams strive for but it is really hard to accomplish especially when you shackle yourself to the traditional construct of having 5 guys in a rotation regardless of talent level. Teams are really scraping bottom to keep the rotation alive. You have a better chance of having 13 good pitchers on your roster if take your pile of pitchers, remove the designations and choose the best 13 and maximize the usage of your very best. An innings eater starter (traditional designation) with a 4.89 ERA who stays in the rotation for rotation continuity may not make the best 13 pitchers on your staff and if he does... you still want to throw him less. Less Bundy... More Duran but this concept will be hard to grasp as long as you continue to think of Bundy as a starter who throws 4 or 5 or 6 innings a pop and Duran as a reliever who throws 1 inning each time. You have to stop putting pitchers in starter and reliever boxes to open up the doors to consider it. In your example you are saying more Duran and less Bundy, but that doesn't make sense because everybody knew that Duran was going to be limited this year based on throwing 16 innings since 2019. You need to be comparing Bundy to the other pitchers that pitched for the Twins this year. Duran and Bundy are being used by me for example purposes. I use Duran because he was lights out. I chose Bundy because he was the closest to that innings eater that I'm trying to eliminate. The example I'm trying to illustrate is that Bundy... the lesser pitcher threw twice as many innings as the guy who was knocking them down. There is a difference between limiting Duran to 60 IP (due to 16IP since 2019) to managing his workload from a health perspective and limiting his workload because you are utilizing him in standard bullpen formation. 60 IP is typical bullpen output through history and that is where he landed. If they want to manage his workload for health concerns... OK... Factor that in. But, you should be looking at how to get Duran more innings because he is better than Bundy. To get more innings out of really good current relief pitchers means pitching more innings and less outings and prep for that, which means now you still need other really good pitchers to fill that void (the games previous pitcher is no longer pitching in) Yes... you will have to change from the way things were done before. The rest pattern would have to adjust to make that happen and it won't happen if you hang on to 5 days rest for a starter and 1 day rest for a reliever and don't consider the considerable middle ground in between. Let's go back to Duran... What would it take to get him from 60 to 120 innings next year assuming health all year long? 3 IP every 4 days is the answer. How you reach that number, 3 in one burst or spread or 2 sets of 2IP is fluid. Keep it fluid. It's mathematically possible if you just remove the conventional designations and usage patterns associated with those starter/reliever designations. Yes... you could knock Duran out for a few days because he stayed in a game for awhile. You have days when pitchers are unavailable in today's format and there will be times when pitchers are unavailable with my suggestion. Backfilling will always be part of the pitching equation but you will be in better shape for those unavailable moments because your staff is better with your best 13 pitchers to choose from. Which goes back to the Scherzer example how would you ever develop a pitcher like him if you are prepping an organization to fill the innings that way you are suggesting? That one is easy. You let good pitchers pitch as many innings as they effectively can. If you are developing a Scherzer, get out of his way. Keep stretching him out. Limiting the work load of Scherzer or Duran is a human decision to limit a pitcher who hangs zeroes and replacing those innings with someone who isn't as good as they are. The reason they are limited? Well... that is done to stay in format.
    3 points
  21. Twins will resign Correa I don't think cubs going spend big money on players. Red Sox going resign their shortstop. Swanson going stay in Atlanta and giants not going spend big money on shortstop
    3 points
  22. Not going to actively debate who should be #1 because there's a lot of reasons to pick Miranda or Correa as well. But I do feel Arraez is deserving. I understand and appreciate analytics. I understand and appreciate OPS and it's overall impact in ranking a player's value/production. But without legitimate power production, it's going to be hard to have an .800 OPS. Arraez had his highest numbers, mid year, and still finished with outstanding numbers, despite battling a bad hamstring to end things. Where I think analytics sometimes fail is when a player does something different or unique. Arraez's 40 XB was just fine for his role and not only will possibly increase slightly over the next few years, but would have been higher if healthier the last couple of months. (Like about everyone else). But he is one of the best pure hitters, contact hitters, and OB% batters in all of baseball. It's a unique and special skill set. And because of it, he fits a special role and place in the Twins lineup. And to me, that increases his value beyond standard analytical data. For the 1st half of the season, at least, who else would you rather see up at the plate in a pressure situation? Arraez is there to set the table and set a tone. But he's also got tremendous ability to "continue " and inning and still knock some guys in. Debatable choice for sure, but he's worthy of the award.
    3 points
  23. Derek Falvey and Thad Levine made arguably the biggest splash of their tenure leading the Twins when they inked Carlos Correa to a deal last offseason. Ultimately, after pawning Josh Donaldson off on the New York Yankees, Correa fell in their laps. Minnesota had substantial money to spend, and a need that he could fill. This offseason, that same reality remains true, but Correa should have suitors willing to pay him Francisco Lindor money. It’s probably unlikely that the Twins are one of them. So, where does that leave a team waiting on Royce Lewis’ eventual return? It’s a big gamble to believe Lewis, coming off a second ACL surgery, will be the same player. However, his debut provided enough excitement to suggest he can hold down the position. Isiah Kiner-Falefa was who this front office targeted initially, before Correa, and that would have been a defense-only option that ultimately filled the void. Now facing a similar scenario, the front office will need to navigate a path forward. Despite the position being arguably one of the most important on the diamond, there are not a ton of options this winter. That is unless you want to play in the deep end of the pool. Trea Turner, Dansby Swanson, and Correa are going to be the top tier, but from there it’s quite a drop-off. Minnesota would seem an unlikely landing spot for Chicago White Sox Tim Anderson. He’s not a good defender, and a long-term deal there doesn’t make much sense. They could opt for an Ehire Adrianza reunion, but Jermaine Palacios would probably have been a better option before he was DFA’d and claimed by the Tigers. Both Elvis Andrus and Aledmys Diaz check the veteran box with some offensive upside, but it’s hard to envision either being an ideal fit for the Twins. Andrus provided production in just a limited sample, and Diaz hasn’t held down a single position in years. With external options waning and one name still yet to be discussed, things keep coming back to Jose Iglesias. The well-traveled veteran is coming off a one-year deal with the Colorado Rockies. He’s never been more than a league-average hitter, outside of the 2020 outlier with the Baltimore Orioles, but he does hit for a solid average. Defensively Iglesias has rated poorly from a Defensive Runs Saved standpoint, but has been roughly even when it comes to outs above average. As a whole, he’s the ideal type of player to operate in a stopgap role. There should be little reason Minnesota would need to pay handsomely for Iglesias. He made just $5 million last season in Colorado, and likely could be had for a similar amount in his age-33 season. Iglesias has been a reliably healthy option for years now, and could certainly hold down the fort until Lewis is ready to make his return. There’s no reason to suggest that Iglesias would be a big move for Minnesota, and if anything, it’d likely be received somewhat poorly. Coming off Correa though, the only way to lessen the blow is by re-upping on a new deal or swinging big on one of the other top two options. Going the stopgap route at shortstop could allow the Twins more funds to hand out elsewhere, however. Ultimately, there are not a ton of options on the free agent market. It doesn’t make much sense for Minnesota to swing a trade for a shortstop, and if they aren’t paying Correa, it’s odd to think they’d spend on someone else. Iglesias is where I’d put the highest odds at this point, especially considering the lack of internal options. ----------------------------------------------------------------------------- See where Jose Iglesias ranks among free-agent shortstops according to Cody's article from yesterday.
    3 points
  24. Where did I say that? Let me tell everyone reading that what you typed isn't close to what I'm saying. If Scherzer or McClanahan are capable of throwing 12 effective innings each utilization... let them. They are Great pitchers and I want more innings from our great (Best) pitchers. If Scherzer and McClanahan can gobble up 437 innings combined of the 1437 needed. That's GOOD. Now you can focus on the remaining 1000 innings with the 11 other pitching slots. Less innings for our lesser pitchers. More Duran... Less Bundy. The concept I'm talking about is only confusing if you try to apply it to traditional designations or what the Twins did this past season. My thoughts have very little to do with what the Twins did with the starting rotation this past season. Please don't meld those two worlds together because it will just further muddy the waters and it's hard enough to get people to see it with past constructs blinding them. How did what I typed express that Scherzer has to throw 3 innings now... like it is some new robotic formula?
    3 points
  25. This thought that Batting Average is an over-rated stat is only if you are looking outside in. From the outside, there are stats that better express how much a hitter helps his team, and who is a better hitter overall. If you are a player, there is absolute value in Batting Average. Stats don't tell the human story of a baseball game. Intimidation or worry of a pitcher who can see that Luis Arreaz is coming up next and knows he is a tough out. That can make the pitcher press harder to get out of the inning before Arreaz comes up, and he may end up making a mistake. Or in a late game clutch situation, do you want the high OBP guy taking a walk, or do you want Luis Arreaz getting a base hit. Same with bunting and stealing. Math can tell us they aren't always the best ways to score runs, but math doesn't show you the human element. After a successful steal or sacrifice bunt, that pitcher has a lot more stress and potential for a mistake worrying about the runner on 2nd. I love analytics and stats, but stats are only a chapter in baseball's book, but they don't tell you the whole story.
    3 points
  26. I hope that was a really good player ?
    3 points
  27. Baseball organizations tend to follow the trends set by other successful teams. In recent years, the Braves have solidified themselves as a model franchise, and other organizations will look to copy their winning model. The club's ability to sign players to long-term contracts is part of its success. Is this approach something the Twins should consider? Earlier this week, the Braves announced they signed rookie starting pitcher Spencer Strider to an extension that buys out his arbitration seasons while giving the team two extra years of control. Michael Harris II, another Braves rookie, also signed an extension earlier this season that followed a similar structure. These aren't the only players the Braves have been able to lock up. Besides Strider and Harris, Atlanta has also signed some of their other top players to long-term deals. Matt Olson and Austin Riley signed extensions during the 2022 season. Previously, the Braves had signed Ronald Acuna Jr. and Ozzie Albies to very friendly long-term deals. Atlanta is guaranteeing money to players beyond their arbitration years which has risk, but the Braves are hoping to see the players outperform the value they are paying. The Braves and the Twins have different philosophies when creating their rosters. Atlanta has over $150 million in guaranteed money on the books for 2024, with nearly $100 million going out as far as 2028. Minnesota's front office likes to have payroll flexibility and tends to avoid long-term deals. Byron Buxton and Randy Dobnak are the only Twins players with options that extend beyond 2025. During the 2022 season, the Braves' payroll ranked in baseball's top 10, while the Twins ranked slightly below league average at 16th. Atlanta's long-term investments come with inherited risk. Players can suffer catastrophic injuries and miss significant playing time. There is also no guarantee that these players will continue to develop at the big-league level. The Braves have already won a World Series, and they hope they can contend for multiple other titles over the next five years. Fans can forget poor play if World Series flags are flying forever. Atlanta can also hope that a few of these players produce at a superstar level to outweigh the dead money on the other contracts. For the Twins to follow the Braves' strategy, the right players are needed to make these deals work out in the team's favor. Minnesota signed Jorge Polanco and Max Kepler to team-friendly extensions, and an argument can be made that both contracts worked out in the team's favor. Polanco's contract can max out at $48.25 million, and he has provided the Twins with nearly $80 million in value since 2019. Kepler's deal can be worth just over $42 million, and he has been worth $72.6 million. Those deals have worked out in Minnesota's favor, so who can the team target for extensions? Health has been the biggest issue for young Twins players, including many of the team's recent top prospects like Alex Kirilloff, Royce Lewis, Matt Canterino, and Trevor Larnach. All these players might be extension candidates if health wasn't a question at the beginning of their big-league careers. Those aren't the only players who are extension candidates following the 2022 season. Luis Arraez, Joe Ryan, Jhoan Duran, and Jose Miranda are some younger players the Twins could consider for a long-term extension. Arraez won his first batting title in 2022, and the Twins have him under team control for three more seasons. It will be harder to lock-up Arraez as he gets closer to free agency. Ryan, Duran, and Miranda are pre-arbitration eligible, so they are under team control through the 2027 season. The Twins can try and sign them early to gain extra years of team control. Minnesota's current front office likes to clean the team's long-term books, which allows for more flexibility. However, other teams are locking up their young players to help the organization continue to win. Do you think the Twins front office needs to change strategies? Leave a COMMENT and start the discussion.
    3 points
  28. Completely unsurprising. Hope he gets the contract he's looking for. He was one of the few bright spots on this team.
    3 points
  29. I enjoyed watching him play. His throwing alone was worth tuning in for me. It’s too bad we didn’t put together a pitching staff to go with him.
    3 points
  30. I love Arreaz but the MVP has to be Correa and it ain’t even close. Arreaz does one thing really well - Correa does everything really well.
    3 points
  31. Well, you may be over it, and Analytics may call for it, and managers may even plan for it, but I guarantee that the individual pitchers, the ones who want to be great and make a ton of money, they are not over wanting to be a starting pitcher and go all nine, strike-outs in the many hundreds at the end of the season. That's how these guys came up through the junior leagues and that's the way they want it. And any limitations imposed on their pitching in an actual game, and those guys are going to want to go elsewhere, quickly. It's an artificial limit on how much money a truly gifted athlete can make and how far he can carry a team. You tell a Scherzer that he's done after four innings? There will be blood somewhere in that locker room.
    3 points
  32. After the New York Jerkees sign a big buck free agent Shortstop, the Twinkies can try to trade to get back Isiah Kiner-Falefa and Ben Rortvedt.
    3 points
  33. In my opinion... Yes I simply don't care about boxes. I don't need the designations like starter, long reliever, reliever, set up or closer. To me it's simple. I want 13 guys who can pitch Period. Those who pitch better should get more innings. I don't care where they enter a game. Boxes just limit what is possible. If that means stretching those who are currently designated as a reliever to 2 or 3 or 4 innings... do it. If that means someone who is currently designated as a starter enters the game in the 4 inning... do it. I am well past the days of Starters throw 6 and relievers throw 1 inning. It can be any combination necessary and at any point in the game. If Pitcher A who is currently designated as a reliever is better than Pitcher B who is currently designated as a starter... Pitcher A should get more innings because he is better. I realize that this thought is going to be immediately dismissed and disturbing to many. I offer it regardless.
    3 points
  34. Wait, before this is deleted, I want to know how you did this because I was really impressed that you got Judge to sign for 8.5!! Now I want you as GM!! Lol!!!
    3 points
  35. Thank you. I knew that if I walked away that someone would write this up, and you get exactly what I'm saying and expressed it eloquently. I'll add another thought, it doesn't need to be done overnight, or in dramatic fashion. You start with the statement that every pitcher on the staff is capable of going two innings. Even if you have short starts, this alone will cut down on the 5 relievers/game we're starting to see much too regularly.
    2 points
  36. A good concept, but not a new one. I recall when Cleveland took this approach in the late 80's and early 90's. While it didn't pay off in a run of WS appearances or wins, it kept the core of the team together and provided a long run of winning seasons and contention. It can make real sense for both sides, and provides a sort of "insurance" for all parties. I like the approach and it was smart as well as beneficial for Polanco and Kepler. Not so much of Sano, but if you look at total production, the Twins weren't exactly fleeced. The contract signed with Buxton this past offseason is a similar approach, despite not being in his early 20's and having some injury issues. You're still betting sunk $ cost/value versus what MIGHT BE. I don't buy in to the fact that a player reaching the majors at 24-25yo is probably not a great prospect. Right now, he's very likely a year behind due to covid and the lost 2020 season. Secondly, not everyone is a HOF'er or multiple All Star, and said mid-twenties player can still have a very, very good career as a starting player or roster fixture for a good 7-9 years. BUT, a lot of those players won't be FA until they reach about 30yo, so an extension is questionable for a lot of them. But I wouldn't say no to any young player who puts in at least a couple quality seasons and shows real upside. But I would always insist on a couple, healthy, productive seasons before I go long term with them. The toughest area to figure might be starting pitching. There are arms that break down and are just never the same. But then again, a lot of front line, #1 types and even a lot of proverbial ACES don't achieve that status until their late 20's. By that time, you might be too late for a "mutually friendly" option. So overall, yes, I like the idea of locking up my young players as much as possible. It makes good business sense and works for both sides.
    2 points
  37. Well, I’m not sure I’m completely on Brian’s page but I don’t disagree, in theory. I’m more a ‘one size does not fit all’ person and we need to roll with that because we do not have the Scherzer type pitchers. We could get a pitcher or two that could fulfill a traditional starter role, but then that will leave us with 3 or 4 who don’t. But my main bugaboo has always been, if this is how it is going to be, fill your roster with mediocre adequate or slightly above they have to construct a better BP. That said, yeah ,,, I don’t have an answer to how, then, to construct a pitcher’s contract. And could we potentially be hurting their potential earnings? I come back to Sonny Gray, who complained about coming out too soon after one outing, and then blew up the next outing and basically said, ‘yeah, okay, I get it and I need to do better.’ Bottom line is great pitchers will be paid like great pitchers and so on. And if the Twins don’t want to pay for it, or their philosophy becomes a huge detraction, then yeah, the FO will need to adjust.
    2 points
  38. Yes - this is how I think a team like the Twins can succeed. We need to get better value for our players than their salaries dictate. Give them life changing money to buy out a few years of FA. Overpay by a few million in years 3-6 so can underpay them years 7-10. This does come with injury risks, but as long as hit more than miss is good plan.
    2 points
  39. If we had a Scherzer or two my guess is they would let him pitch however long they want. We certainly didn’t this past season. And it’s highly unlikely we are ever going to pay for a Scherzer so we work with what we have. Sonny Gray did not pitch well enough to get more innings. Once or twice they could have let him go longer, imo, but the rest of the time, no. He complained about this after one start being taken out, then the next start he pitched horribly and then threw out a mea culpa saying he had to do better. The problem with how the Twins managed their pitchers wasn’t that they pulled their starters too soon to please the fans, but that they didn’t construct a very good BP to withstand their philosophy. There was one notable time I would have let Ryan go deeper, and I still would have, but I also understand the reasoning behind why not, plus he was a rookie and spent time on the IL and was very up and down for several starts following, But I hope he gets more innings next season and will be a pitcher who will command more innings. But when your starting staff is filled with two decent middle pitchers (Ryan and Gray) and then Bundy, Archer and the injured crew, and an inadequate BP, the FO either needs to reconsider its philosophy, or needs to do a much better job at constructing a pitching staff that can get through 9 innings each and every game without falling apart.
    2 points
  40. That infield defense will be terrible, maybe the worst in baseball
    2 points
  41. I'm not in the boat in favor of extensions unless they are an international player w/ ton of potential, sound & who doesn't have Boras as an agent. Otherwise I'd let the clock run out & then evaluate them wether we need to extend them or not. Extention of Polanco was pretty good, Kepler was OK but Sano & Dobnak didn't turn out. There was the same talk about extending Kiriloff the 1st year he broke MLB, I'm glad we didn't.
    2 points
  42. my vote was for Correa, when we needed him he preformed at a very high level and tried to carry the team. He also played a very critical defensive position. Arreaz is a very good player and going forward will be very good, but for overall value my vote is Correa.
    2 points
  43. Luis Arraez is, in so many ways, not the guy you'd expect to finish atop a team's MVP vote – or alongside the absolute legends in Twins history who've preceded him as AL batting champs. You compare him to the other players on that exclusive list – Rod Carew, Joe Mauer, Tony Oliva, Kirby Puckett – and you're talking about thoroughbred Hall of Famers who looked the part. Many would count those four players among the five best in franchise history. Even comparing Arraez to the players who finished second and third behind him in Twins Daily's MVP balloting – Carlos Correa and Byron Buxton, respectively – is an amusing exercise. We're talking about preternatural teen talents who went 1-2 in the draft a decade ago – big-bucks superstars who smash the ball, and derive much of their value from premier defense at premium positions. Then, you have Luis Arraez. The Venezuelan was not a highly regarded property when signed by the Twins as an international free agent in 2013 for a measly $40,000 bonus. Just looking at him, you can see why. He is small and stubby – generously listed at 5-foot-10 and 175 lbs – with neither the speed, nor power, nor defensive skill to impress any onlooker. But Arraez brings one truly preternatural tool of his own, and it has become his signature. As Jake Mauer, his manager at Cedar Rapids back in 2016 – and a guy who has his own familial knowledge on the subject – said of a then-unknown Arraez back then: "He's got a knack for finding the barrel." Oh yes. And it's carried him from anonymity to All-Star status. It doesn't matter where he's at. It doesn't matter who's pitching to him. It doesn't matter the count. Arraez just hits. He's irrepressible, with contact rates that top the charts. Virtually no one swings and misses less or strikes out less. Yet despite his ability to put the bat on everything, he is disciplined enough to pass on most out-of-zone offerings, and walked more (50) than he struck out (43) this season. In a lineup that was prone to slumps, and often far too over-reliant on power at the expense of consistent quality ABs and rally-building, Arraez was a breath of fresh air. He was never an easy out, reflexively tapping outside pitches the other way for singles and then inviting pitchers to the inner half, where he could turn on the ball and unlock new levels of power. Arraez's .421 slugging percentage was nothing to write home about but he launched a respectable 40 extra-base hits, and doubled his previous career high for home runs with eight. Now, before I go any further, a disclosure: I didn't have Arraez at the top of my team MVP ballot. In fact, I didn't have him among my top three. Because, analytically, it's hard to make that case. Yes, he led the league in average. But that's merely one piece of the value equation. Arraez ranked third on the team in fWAR behind Correa and Buxton, with a 3.2 mark that is one of the lowest for a Twins Daily MVP since we started awarding it. Baseball Reference's WAR formula viewed Arraez more favorably (4.0) but he was still second to Correa. Even the seemingly more narrative-based Win Probability Added metric placed Arraez sixth on the team, behind Jhoan Duran, Jorge Polanco, Buxton, Joe Ryan, and Correa. But even WPA doesn't seem to capture the full narrative behind Arraez, and the positive impact that lifted him to the top of our collective balloting. It's true that Correa was difference-maker down the stretch – he had the sixth-highest WPA in the AL after July – and technically that portion of the schedule mattered a lot. It's also true that Arraez's bat went relatively quiet in those final months, as he battled a hamstring strain that limited him mostly to DH duty in September. But by then, it felt like the decimated Twins were engaged in an inevitably losing fight. When the team emerged early on and grasped first place, Arraez was the beating heart of the lineup. In the month of May, where the Twins went 18-12 to reach their greatest heights of the season, Arraez batted .377 with a .480 on-base percentage and 19 runs scored. He then flashed his emergent power in June, notching four doubles, three homers and a triple while driving in 15 runs. Compared to the likes of Correa and Buxton, Arraez loses a lot of value from metrics like WAR because of his reduced defensive value. And that's fair: no one would argue that Arraez impacts games with his glove like Buck in center or C4 at short. But the Twins didn't ask him to, or need it. What they needed him to do, after Miguel Sanó and Alex Kirilloff went down, was take over at first base, a position he had essentially never played before. Arraez is not exactly physically suited for the position either. But sure enough, he adapted quickly and proved to be a perfectly solid defender at first. Ultimately, I think that's what it came down to, and why the vote swung to Arraez. He simply showed up. He answered the call, time and time again. While the roster succumbed to injuries around him, he kept playing all year long, leading the team in plate appearances and games played (despite – as it's now easy to forget – being a healthy scratch on Opening Day!). By season's end, Arraez was the only worthwhile attraction for Twins fans, who could tune in to watch him battle Aaron Judge down to the wire, for a superficial honor, amidst a Triple-A lineup in a lost year. Arraez kept on showing up through the very last day, barely able to run and clearly limping, because he wanted "to win the batting title fighting." He did just that, and it's the fight he demonstrated down to the bitter end that likely helped elevate Arraez as the unlikely Twins Daily 2022 team MVP. FINAL BALLOTING POINTS TALLY Arraez: 55 Correa: 46 Buxton: 33 Durán: 27 Gray: 13 Miranda: 11
    2 points
  44. Correct... That is due to the timing from Article completion to it getting published.
    2 points
  45. I agree with you. I think you are absolutely right. My suggestion has inherent implementation issues right out of the gate. The current compensation system is set up for the conventional ways. At the arbitration table, saves are compensated at a higher dollar figure than holds. Average starters make more money than elite closers in arb and free agency. While you adjust your team to the new... there will be 29 teams setting the market with the old. Agents are going to demand the closer roles for their clients if you want to sign them because of the compensation disparity. This type of thinking has enemies guarding the door. It's a problem. I don't have the knowledge to fix it... just an utopian idea but one that is worth striving for because there is really no need for the self-induced limitations of the typical pitching structure. I believe it's possible that busting out of it could be advantageous. From my outsiders view (which is worthless because I've never been in the room to understand the room). The implementation issues are almost entirely based around compensation so to overcome that... the club would have to compensate. Innings pitched is the key... Those that throw the most innings would be entitled to higher compensation just like the starters are compensated higher in the traditional way. My way too simple, seed of an idea without nuance rewards your BEST pitchers regardless of designation more innings and therefore higher compensation. There were 1437 innings thrown by the Twins staff this year. Jhoan Duran threw 67.2 of them, Emilio Pagan threw 63 of them. The effectiveness difference between these two is grand canyon sized, yet the traditional structure keeps the utilization comparable. There should be an innings pitched difference between these two pitchers that matches performance. As for the rest required. They are smart people... they can figure that out. As far as I'm concerned it's a blank slate because whatever they are trying to do to keep pitchers healthy is clearly NOT working. As for the fans and attendance issues. I don't believe that is true and if it was true... that demonstration of fickleness would suggest that baseball has bigger issues than this in order to save the sport.
    2 points
  46. 2 points
  47. goulik

    Correa confirms Opt-out

    Yawn... We all knew this (or should have known this) when the deal was struck. The only way he wouldn't opt out was if he was injured AND had a bad season. Neither are true.
    2 points
  48. Thanks for this information, Seth. I can't believe that Javier is only 24. Seems like we have been waiting for him to turn that corner for a long, long time. Doubt that he will ever make it, but after all these years would be a bloody shame to let him go and turn into an all-star for somebody else. The one that is an absolute must to resign is the catcher. That's one position the front office needs to work on real hard this winter. As I see it, they need at a minimum three new catchers. One, someone to play at least half the games for the Twins. Two, someone like Leon, a veteran who will sign a minor league deal to play at St. Paul where he will help their young pitchers develop and be available as a backup when one of the Twins two goes down. Three, a good young prospect who is close. You know, someone like Rortvedt was when traded...less the injury.
    2 points
  49. Jake Cave’s return for 2022 felt frustrating in part when many expected the debut of prospects to be filling those lineup slots. But then an odd thing happened: I didn’t hate Cave this time around. He genuinely seemed to play better every time I expected the worst. And with the season’s doom leading toward more existential questions, a truly odd thought filled my head: Is Jake Cave Good? Let’s cut to the chase: Not particularly. Jake Cave slashed .213/.260/.384 (.624), only a minor improvement on last year’s .189/.263/.400 (.663) with basically the same number of plate appearances. His WRC+ hovered almost to 100—essentially league average—before crashing down to 81. And yet there was Cave hustling to first at Yankee Stadium to put Carlos Correa in position to smash a dinger to give the Twins the lead. In the critical Cleveland series, Cave hit a bomb off Triston McKenzie to provide the Twins an early lead. And if you looked out at the outfield, you could have sworn Buxton had transported himself into Cave’s body as he continually laid out to make a few diving catches. Cave showed significant improvement this year in numerous ways. His Triple-A stint surely helped as he posted a .879 OPS over 85 games, his best since his time in Rochester back in 2019 that eventually landed him on the big-league roster for the last four years. He went on a 49 plate on-base streak, only ended by an unlucky five-inning rain out where he only managed two plate appearances. When Cave first joined the Twins for the San Francisco Giants series at Target Field that gave one last fresh breath of air into the team, he managed to tie the game in the 9th inning with a single, and then the next day smashed a two-run homer and another double in a rousing victory. Cave cooled down into his more expected self, but a few notable stats stick out. First, Cave had become a big strikeout guy, particularly in the 2021 season where he was around 35%. Going back to Triple-A worked wonders. He dropped that to 25% and then only climbed up to 27% when he came back for the majors—still below league average, but an improvement. That came with a sacrifice of power. His BABIP slipped, but there was a big reason for Cave opting for singles: his speed score ballooned from 6.2 after a 3.7 in 2021. To put that into context, only Billy Hamilton and Byron Buxton posted faster speeds for Minnesota this season. I repeat: Jake Cave was the third faster player on the Twins this year. Cave was as fast as new-thorn-for-the-next-seven-years Steven Kwan. And when it came to his defense, his arm strength on Baseball Savant skyrocketed from a mediocre 46% to a shocking 79% within the league Most notably, Cave improved when it mattered. "Clutch" is a unique metric, but it measures your chance at Win Probability against the stakes of the plate appearance as compared to your overall season numbers (to say the least, Carlos Correa demonstrated a high win probability, but his Clutch was -0.91 given his problems delivering with runners on base. Let’s just call it a “heart and hustle” stat). Cave was second on the Twins in the second half of the season in Clutch, just shy of Gilberto Celestino. His dozen barrels doubled what he managed last year, and with his speed, he managed a trio of triples. In the second half, Cave posted a better OPS than Gary Sánchez, Celestino, Max Kepler, and Jorge Polanco. He hit about as well as the aging Nelson Cruz did for the Nationals except on a $800k contract that managed a half point of WAR—essentially quadruple his salary. It may have still been frustrating to see Cave batting fifth in a lineup for a playoff contention team, but Cave was hardly the problem given the improvements he demonstrated. With a huge roster crunch in the coming months, it is likely that Cave once again sees himself in a St. Paul Saints uniform unless another team is looking for some depth in the outfield. But unlike previous years, I have to salute a player who hustled his way into an unfortunate situation and did what he could. Update: The Baltimore Orioles have claimed Jake Cave off waivers. For much more Jake Cave content from Twins Daily, click here.
    2 points
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