Would You Do This Trade? Josh Donaldson to the Brewers for …

No, and no. Nobody really comes back from TOS. And JBJ, just no.

If it were only trading the salary, an argument could be made, But makes no sense to trade salary and then include 15M cash. JBJ is a disaster, but taking on JBJ guarantees and trading JD's gives the Twins a positive net of appx 23M. Milwaukee can keep the kid with the TOS recovery. One for one, no cash would be the deal if its just a salary issue. If we need to rebuild pitching staff 2022, that's 23M we otherwise do not have. Maybe there is a different team where that sort of deal might make more sense than Milwaukee--Yankees? I dont believe their 3B crew is exactly lighting it up.

But who then plays 3B 2022? Another FA?

I'm all for trading salary, if it creates space to rebuild pitching roster, and IF Twins' ownership is serious about reinvesting the net into payroll. If not, keep JD and pay the freight.

I was not a fan of the Donaldson signing to begin with - Too much money owed on these late years.   But trading one problem for two of another team’s problems makes no sense. Donaldson will contribute something next year and then we can see whether to buy out or have him show up for one more year.  
Trade something that will net more: Buxton, Berrios.  Pined.   If we are dumping veterans, look to dump our rent a players Cruz, Simmons, Robles, Colome (in descending order of likelihood anyone would be interested). 

Creating holes at both SS and 3B should not be the objective if this team wants to compete in 2022. Re-tool, not rebuild. 

11 minutes ago, Nash Walker said:

Creating holes at both SS and 3B should not be the objective if this team wants to compete in 2022. Re-tool, not rebuild. 

Exactly. The answer to the trade Donaldson question is do you intend to compete next year? My take is, he is coming on right about now. He usually does. He will mash from here on out I think, and probably start slow again next spring. We should be dealing others barring a miracle in the next 3 weeks.

I would trade Donaldson. A deal where they take on some bad money and send money in exchange for a prospect is feasible.

That number 6 ranking for Kelly has to come before TOS. He is not worth the cost now. They are better off with Donaldson. Ashby at number 7 might make sense. This is where we need Falvey’s staff needs to acquire that pitching talent as they did in Cleveland.

I would consider any and all trades.... gut this team like a dead fish

In this deal they are offloading salary and getting a prospect. I don’t like the prospect but this is a deal for the future. Maybe the 15 million makes it close to wash through 2022 but wouldn’t there be significant offloading of salary for 2023?

They may get lucky and Bradley starts hitting at the 800 OPS he had last year. He might turn into another trade for a prospect. Otherwise it is a smaller sunk cost than Donaldson.

If the Twins want to get anything in return for Donaldson they are going to need to pay off a good chunk of his salary. The Brewer deal might not be the right deal but any deal is going to look something like this.

Two words:  Goofy.  Next.

I would consider the deal if the prospect weren't coming off thoracic surgery, which doesn't have a great track record for recovery in baseball. Give me a #6 prospect who's healthy for Donaldson as a starting point, and then we'll talk.

I trade Donaldson if they take Colome, Stashak, Simmons, and Sano and give us either Josh Hader or a bag of new baseballs. 

This particular trade I am not in favor of, give me a pitching prospect that isn't coming off thoracic outlet surgery or tommy john and I am all for it.

I think they move multiple players but I doubt Donaldson is one of them.  Its hard to get much value for an overpaid vet that looks over the hill, and he could just slide into DH next year when Cruz is presumably gone.

LoL. It's like we're in a sinking canoe and we're bailing water as fast as we can, and DeRosa calls out, "Make the hole larger so the water will rush out faster."

Thanks but no thanks.

5 hours ago, ashbury said:

Seems like a trade scenario concocted on Brewers Daily.

Agreed. This is just DeRosa cheerleading for the Brewers here, nothing more. He loves to listen to himself say things like "mash", and "loose".. BTW, "loose"? Lol

I'm all in favor of making some significant changes in Twins-Land.  But I'm going to pass on this particular deal.  Bradley has never done anything for me, just not a fan, and if Josh gets "hot" even his pricey contract will have a couple of teams needing a 3B (Mets, Brewers) very interested in adding his bat and glove to their lineup.  I "get" that his contract makes him a negative value as well (I've played a bit at Baseball Trade Values) but these are contending teams looking to make a move or two to get over the hump.  I can't see the Twins taking on a dumpster fire like JBjr and a pitcher currently coming off TOS.  But, keep the speculation coming...casue we're gonna be dealin' !!!  

Happy to trade Donaldson for anyone who might be able to help us in the next few years. That does not include anyone mentioned in this article.

This team is ready for retooling, not a complete overhaul, so I have to vote with a loud NO to trading Donaldson for bag of balls.  Ditto for any dump of Sano.  Why trade either one at their low point when they can be parts of a contender?  We have no one in the foreseeable future to replace Josh, nor do we have a better replacement for Cruz(who should be traded) than Sano, at least for next year.  And selling off guys like Buxton, Simmons, Berrios and Pineda makes no sense in a retooling effort, at least this year.  I had high hopes for Celestino, but he's way too raw.  Berrios and Pineda will be needed in 2022 to at least have a competitive rotation, with Maeda(?), Dobnak and one of the rooks rounding out the staff.

This is not to say the FO should be cautious pre-deadline.  Getting rid of Happ and Shoemaker is a no-brainer.  Cruz should bring back something, hopefully a bullpen piece that starts the rebuild there.  Since the FO deems Polanco insufficient at SS, then both he and Arraez should battle for 2B long term(thinking Arraez would fit in as super-utility player was as mis-guided as trying Sano in the OF).  The loser of that battle would make a nice trade piece, perhaps for a good bullpen piece or top 100 prospect..  Simmonns should be resigned for one more year, giving Lewis one more year of development.  And certainly Kepler should be shopped, with emergence of Larnach/Kirrilof bolstering the OF, but with Buxton's long term future with the Twins uncertain, Kepler should only be traded in a package involving major league-ready pitching.

And finally, as distasteful as this might seem, the Twins have little choice other than rush some of their top minor league pitching prospects to the big league club, preferrably in bullpen roles to start to see what they bring.  Yes, somewhat risky, but the FO must use this disaster to retool for the future.  As bad as 2021 has been, it is a chance to retool for next year, assuming we have a base going forward.  If not, than,  yes, a wholesale selloff would be necessary.  Big question:  can this FO, manager, and coaches be the ones to lead the rebuild?

No, Stay away from Thoracic Outlet Syndrome and most shoulder injuries. 

While I can see the possibility of trading Donaldson, who has underperformed for what we are paying him and doesn't stay healthy, the above trade is ludicrous and makes absolutely no sense. Why would we want a broken prospect and a CF who can't hit? Bradley had 1 decent season and that's it. All he is is a late inning defensive replacement. And we don't need a center fielder (though Buxton can't stay healthy either). And who is this DeRosa who seems to know nothing.

Would I trade Donaldson, yes. 

Would I do this deal, not as suggested.  Taking back Bradley is a liability, as of today.  Would not want to include the dollars if taking Bradley and the pitcher who is a big question mark as of today.  Take out the dollars and the deal becomes ok.  Or include the dollars and get someone like the pitcher without the health question mark.

Would prefer something different, understanding that getting value back may require including some dollars.

If you hadn't mentioned Kelly's injury, I'd have been tempted.  

18 hours ago, Brock Beauchamp said:

I don’t get why this trade makes sense for the Twins but then I remembered “oh, Mark DeRosa”.

Either the Twins want to offload salary or they want to compete. This deal makes no sense for either option. 

I can’t remember the name of the former frequent commenter from New York who was a frequent advocate for trading for DeRosa. Maybe DeRosa is still butt hurt that the trade never happened. 

Um ... yeah ... no.  

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