Twins Moving on From SP Trade Targets?

[Wizard11]

Mike Minor would be a quality addition and potentially affordable. Kirilloff not in tonight’s lineup...he is a Pittsburgh kid...Could it be? Reality is so un-fun.

[David HK]

 

We definitely should have knocked the door down on Stroman. Should have went bold on him. 

Sure doesn't look like the Mets even knocked loudly, with what they gave up for him.

 

Really disappointing.

[David HK]

 

Seems like the Twins front office would have more to gain by being tight-lipped for the next 36 hours.

Although tight-lipped, combined with Pohlad tight-fistedness....

 

Maybe Romo's all we get.

[beckmt]

commented in a different thread, I feel that Toronto decided to trade Stroman to the NL without a much higher offer from an AL club.  I think we look for 2 - 4 relievers, and take some chances that may be cheap.  McGee from Colorado, Bradley or Givens,  Maybe one of the Marlin ones. but most of them have 2 - 3 years of control.  If you only get one, maybe try Gastrol or others there. Against the Yankees or Astros, you have to plan on averaging 4 innings of relief per game. Right now the Twins have about 2.  You only carry 4 starters in the playoffs, so you could have 9 relievers, do the math and fix the holes.  Greene from Detroit, might be another choice along with some of the Pirates or Cincinnati relievers (Igalcias) or possible others. This can be done without emptying the farm system.  Then in the winter if you cannot sign Romero or Buxton to long term contracts, you possibly sell them for a front line starter.    

[Vanimal46]

Lavelle's inner thoughts:

 

"Hmm, I thought my last post saying the Mets wanted Lewis & Kirilloff would turn fans off from begging for a Thor trade... Who else could I say they asked for that will elicit a response to walk away? Buxton.... Brilliant!"

[HawksNest]

Could be nothing, probably is, but has there been any news regarding Twins deadline plans since Saturday evening?

 

I read everything I can find, Joel Sherman, Morosi, Passan, Rosenthal, etc.

 

None of them have even mentioned the Twins in recent days. Passan just put out a 1,000 word "news and notes" with Buster Olney (Twins not mentioned).

 

Rosenthal put out his latest notes on the deadline yesterday (no mention of the Twins).

 

There just doesn't seem to be any smoke or fire regarding the Twins right now (I suppose you could say the same about the entire league since moves aren't really happening).

 

Really hope Romo isn't the only move.

[Dman]

With the supply of quality arms being low and teams hoping for upgrades high I sense I will be disappointed at the deadline.

 

A bit surprised that Toronto asks us for top a 50 prospect plus for Stroman and then turns around and gives him up for two pitchers out the of top 100.  Not that I wanted Stroman but I thought they could have gotten more than what the Mets gave them. Apparrantly that was the best deal they could get?

 

I am finally starting to understand the Met's don't want to give up Syndergard without a huge overpay maybe they will get it but I would just as soon pass.

 

Here's hoping our FO finds a deal or two out there that works well for this team.  My guess is that prices might be higher than I thought they would be.

[lukeduke1980]

 

The reality is that NOT a lot of players under a team control are necessarily trading hands, because they can still be valuable to a rebuilding team, and if doing well in 2019, still available for trade in the off-season.

 

I think this is so very true and is why Ray nor Minor nor Thor will be traded.  If you're around 50 wins now you think you're not that far away and can make that jump in the offseason.  Mike Leake will be traded but no thanks.  Tanner Roark seems to be about the same as what we have.  

 

The opportunity to me lies in bullpen pieces - Ian Kennedy, maybe you can pry a Jake McGee or Wade Davis from Colorado, though I have no idea if Davis has anything left.

[Tibs]

I’m just curious how the Blue Jays went from Lewis/Kirilloff plus whatever for Stroman to two pitching prospects outside the top 100 from the Mets. We could have easily beat that deal from the Mets. What’s going on? What’s up with that huge change in price?

[USAFChief]

 

I’m just curious how the Blue Jays went from Lewis/Kirilloff plus whatever for Stroman to two pitching prospects outside the top 100 from the Mets. We could have easily beat that deal from the Mets. What’s going on? What’s up with that huge change in price?

consider the possibility the Blue Jays didn't demand Lewis/Kirilloff. 

[Tibs]

consider the possibility the Blue Jays didn't demand Lewis/Kirilloff.

 

That would make a lot more sense

[J_Dobs]

 

Buxton....lol.

Not over yet, see how things change by Wednesday if the offers aren't there.

Yates and Giles would be guys I'd like to see.

 

I would LOVE Yates, but I doubt is on the move unless the Twins move Lewis or Kiriloff. Giles was reported last night still having elbow inflammation. Its not looking good, at this point I think we are going to have to settle for Ian Kennedy (who I actually really like, and assuming the Royals will trade to us), Shawn Kelley, Greg Holland (has now imploded). There is just nothing great out there. I've said this for weeks, I just don't see all that much action this deadline.

[Otto von Ballpark]

We definitely should have knocked the door down on Stroman.

 

  

Sure doesn't look like the Mets even knocked loudly, with what they gave up for him.

The Twins be like:

 

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=C2mnHA51NQE

 

And the Mets be like:

 

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Gz5mI6tqm_Q

[bighat]

 

We definitely should have knocked the door down on Stroman. Should have went bold on him. 

 

Reports said Jays demanded one of either Royce Lewis or Alex Kiriloff be included in the Stroman package. Twins said no. Time will tell if that was the right decision.

[Otto von Ballpark]

consider the possibility the Blue Jays didn't demand Lewis/Kirilloff.

 

 

Everyone knows the Jays asked for Lewis or Kirilloff. What this post presupposes is... maybe they didn't?

 

[J_Dobs]

 

consider the possibility the Blue Jays didn't demand Lewis/Kirilloff. 

 

 

It looks like they had possibly backed down from that

 

But the head scratcher to me is that it was the Mets winning this. Braves, Astros, Yankees, Boston, all were looking at Stroman. your telling me no one couldn't beat the Mets? It wasn't just us, everything as a whole just makes no sense. Ross Atkins must have been tired of the trade game?

[nicksaviking]

 

I’m just curious how the Blue Jays went from Lewis/Kirilloff plus whatever for Stroman to two pitching prospects outside the top 100 from the Mets. We could have easily beat that deal from the Mets. What’s going on? What’s up with that huge change in price?

 

Top 100 of what? 

 

I'm quite confident no teams are using a list made from BA to evaluate players in even the slightest.

[SpicyGarvSauce]

 

Reports said Jays demanded one of either Royce Lewis or Alex Kiriloff be included in the Stroman package. Twins said no. Time will tell if that was the right decision.

 

They can demand all they want - I find it hard to believe that the Twins couldn't offer a better package than what the Jays got from the Mets.

[alarp33]

 

They can demand all they want - I find it hard to believe that the Twins couldn't offer a better package than what the Jays got from the Mets.

 

Unless you work for the Blue Jays, you have ZERO idea what they consider a better package. And unless you work for the Twins, you have ZERO idea what they offered

[Tibs]

Top 100 of what? 

 

I'm quite confident no teams are using a list made from BA to evaluate players in even the slightest.

Wow so you’re saying each team spends a ton of money each year on scouting and analytics departments instead of going off of the top 100 prospect list on Baseball Prospectus? No way! That’s insane!

[DannySD]

With the way Toronto is collecting sons of former big leaguers who are just about ready to play, you would think they would have asked for Gordon

[Mike Sixel]

Top 100 of what?

 

I'm quite confident no teams are using a list made from BA to evaluate players in even the slightest.

How would you like the rest of us to assess all the prospects? Do you really think any of us think what you just typed? What does this post even mean?

[HawksNest]

Lavelle just said on KFAN that Twins were "pissed" about the Toronto/NYM trade.

 

"were in line to execute a deal and the rug was pulled out from under them"

[SpicyGarvSauce]

 

Lavelle just said on KFAN that Twins were "pissed" about the Toronto/NYM trade.

 

"were in line to execute a deal and the rug was pulled out from under them"

 

Did PA follow it up with a grunt?

[Otto von Ballpark]

Lavelle just said on KFAN that Twins were "pissed" about the Toronto/NYM trade.

 

"were in line to execute a deal and the rug was pulled out from under them"

Thanks, I might have to listen.

 

This would suggest even more that Lavelle's story last night was spin from Twins sources, as other sources had the Twins dragging their heels on non-Lewis/Kirilloff deals with the Jays (as well as non-Buxton deals with the Mets).

[Mike Sixel]

Lavelle just said on KFAN that Twins were "pissed" about the Toronto/NYM trade.

 

"were in line to execute a deal and the rug was pulled out from under them"

Spin. I'm tired of the Twins being in on guys. Or just missing. Or whatever.

[nicksaviking]

 

Wow so you’re saying each team spends a ton of money each year on scouting and analytics departments instead of going off of the top 100 prospect list on Baseball Prospectus? No way! That’s insane!

 

 

How would you like the rest of us to assess all the prospects? Do you really think any of us think what you just typed? What does this post even mean?

 

It's hard to understand how everyone is dumbfounded that the Blue Jays didn't get players from a list that they probably didn't even look at.

[Mike Sixel]

It's hard to understand how everyone is dumbfounded that the Blue Jays didn't get players from a list that they probably didn't even look at.

I'll try again.

 

How would you like the rest of us to assess the value of trades involving prospects? To see what might be reasonable for the Twins to make deals, for example?

[Vanimal46]

Spin. I'm tired of the Twins being in on guys. Or just missing. Or whatever.

Not sure what's worse... Radio silence until a trade is complete from the past regime. Or reading that the Twins are in on every player but conveniently come up short every time.

[SwainZag]

 

Not sure what's worse... Radio silence until a trade is complete from the past regime. Or reading that the Twins are in on every player but conveniently come up short every time.

 

Outside of Stroman, who that has been dealt have they come up short on thus far?