August 1, 201610 yr Agreed, I'm just not sure that the return featuring a bucket of already chewed Double Bubble and a bag of baseballs with the covers knocked off of them is the HUGE deal that we have in mind.If they toss in a tin of Skoal or Grizzly Wintergreen I bet the Twins would take it.
August 1, 201610 yr Have read Hutchison could headline Santana trade, has MLB experience but is in AAA right now. Would more than likely take Santana's rotation spot immediately. Throw in Reid-Foley and Pentecost and I think we should take it
August 1, 201610 yr Plan can change especially pending the returns they get and the pieces they move at the deadline. I wouldn't be surprised if they back off of the Duffey to the pen bit in favor of Chargois. To be clear, I'm fine with that. I just think it would be strange to announce Duffey to the pen and then send him to Rochester a day later.
August 1, 201610 yr Pat Light has a walk rate of 6 per 9 in AAA between last year and this year. That's far worse than Alex Meyer, the poster boy for control issues. Seems far fetched that he'll suddenly learn to find the zone but could be useful if he gets that rate down below 4.You're absolutely right that he's not serviceable as is, but I'd rather see the Twins take the chance that a guy like Light learns control, rather than the chance that a control guy learns how to miss bats. The Twins seem to have taken the latter approach about as far as it can go.
August 1, 201610 yr If to Toronto, I would take:P-Sean Reed-FoleyP-Conner GreeneC-Max PentecostI'd run with Reid-Foley and Greene only, if offered. I can't imagine the Blue Jays would give up both for Santana, let alone adding Pentecost. If it happens, do the Twins officially hire Antony as GM?
August 1, 201610 yr If they are currently a consensus top 100, it generally means something is going right for them. You pretty much have to be playing well, with a bonus for top picks/signings who don't have much experience yet. It's no sure thing, of course, but it's way better than a project (or even a bunch of them) like Pat Light. Nick Gordon was perhaps a "fringe" top 100 guy after 2014, Tyler Jay after 2015... Alex Meyer after 2011 (his draft year), etc. Agreed on your skepticism about this org's ability to develop that talent, but I don't want us to stop acquiring talent either. Hopefully those issues get addressed this winter too. Just pointing out that the examples you listed are guys who broke into the fringe of the top 100 in their first year. Those types of guys are considered good prospects. That's a very different context from AAA/AA guys with 3+ years experience who are still barely in the top 100. Those types of players are likely approaching their ceiling.
August 1, 201610 yr The point is always five years from now. Even when they were good they were always looking five years in advance.The past doesn't really have any baring on what's happening right now. New GM and organization in a completely different place
August 1, 201610 yr So the Twins trade for Pat Light, someone they drafted back in 2009 but couldn't sign.
August 1, 201610 yr Have read Hutchison could headline Santana trade, has MLB experience but is in AAA right now. Would more than likely take Santana's rotation spot immediately. Throw in Reid-Foley and Pentecost and I think we should take itIf Hutchinson is the headline, you can probably forget about either of the other 2 being included. I personally hope it's not Hutchinson, he's a typical low upside starter that we've seen over and over again these last several years.
August 1, 201610 yr If Santana is on the move and it is to the Jays I would be asking for Reid-Foley, Greene, AND Pentecost. Or say no dealIf you are getting significant salary relief, I don't think you'd have to insist on all 3 of those players.
August 1, 201610 yr You're absolutely right that he's not serviceable as is, but I'd rather see the Twins take the chance that a guy like Light learns control, rather than the chance that a control guy learns how to miss bats. The Twins seem to have taken the latter approach about as far as it can go. Agreed, and I'm not intending to poo poo the trade. This is likely what Abad was worth, and I'd rather shoot for upside over low ceiling/mediocre floor types. Just providing some context that he doesn't have just a "little" control problem, he's vintage Ricky Vaughn at the moment.
August 1, 201610 yr If Hutchinson is the headline, you can probably forget about either of the other 2 being included. I personally hope it's not Hutchinson, he's a typical low upside starter that we've seen over and over again these last several years. I hope he isn't included either
August 1, 201610 yr If you can get just Sean Reid-Foley. You take it and run.With big salary relief too, I lean toward this. Reid-Foley (at first I thought it was two guys ) is already "breaking out" according to Sickels, and I don't think he is talking about acne.
August 1, 201610 yr If it is the Blue Jays, I'd be very surprised if Reid Foley isn't one of the pieces coming back.
August 1, 201610 yr Everyone seems to think Ervin is going to Toronto...Yeah, there's a lot of smoke on twitter
August 1, 201610 yr So the Twins trade for Pat Light, someone they drafted back in 2009 but couldn't sign.29th round pick, fireballer out of high school. The majority of those type of draft picks don't sign and end up in college anyways. Clearly it was the right move for Light.
August 1, 201610 yr If Hutchinson is the headline, you can probably forget about either of the other 2 being included. I personally hope it's not Hutchinson, he's a typical low upside starter that we've seen over and over again these last several years. You should probably elaborate. Minor league K rate over 9, keeps the ball in the park, and minimizes his walk rate. Might not be that ace upside we want, but certainly looks like he could be a decent starter. The bigger problem I see is that getting guys like that and Mejia, are they going to continue to trot Milone and Nolasco out...
August 1, 201610 yr Just pointing out that the examples you listed are guys who broke into the fringe of the top 100 in their first year. Those types of guys are considered good prospects. That's a very different context from AAA/AA guys with 3+ years experience who are still barely in the top 100. Those types of players are likely approaching their ceiling.Sure, but in the post I was responding too, no such distinction was made. Besides, most guys from AAA/AA with 3+ years of experience aren't going to stay in the top 100 if evaluators think they're near the ceiling. It's a game of chance with any prospect, but I think "top 100" is a useful generic construct. Elite prospects rarely get deal, so it's useful to have a term for the next tier (beyond which might be 200-300 guys with fairly interchangeable cases).
August 1, 201610 yr I would be ok with Hutchinson if we get Reid-Foley too. Reid-Foley is a couple years away yet and Hutchison is a guy who can help now.
August 1, 201610 yr If they toss in a tin of Skoal or Grizzly Wintergreen I bet the Twins would take it.But would the other team? Seems like you're getting awfully greedy!
August 1, 201610 yr Buster Olney@BusterEPSNSource: Ervin Santana to Blue Jays. Waiting to hear back on return. A lot of smoke....
August 1, 201610 yr Of topic, but did they move T. Jay to the Pen for good or only to limit his innings this year?
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