A top 100 guy will be fine with me.

 

Top 100 guys don't really do anything for me. The majority of them don't pan out anyway and I have zero faith in this organization's ability to develop anyone.

 

Edit: By top 100 I clearly do not mean top 25 but fringe top 100 guys don't excite me.

Edited August 1, 201610 yr by notoriousgod71

I'm sure some of the Santana talk was posturing by the Twins, nothing wrong with that of course.

 

But I am curious to see what they got, if the rumor is correct.

 

Pat Light.  Reliever that should be up soon

 

Per MLB...

 

 

Scouting grades: Fastball: 70 | Slider: 40 | Splitter: 55 | Control: 45 | Overall: 45

 

 

Lou Brown: [to Temple] "We better teach this kid some control before he kills somebody."

Edited August 1, 201610 yr by Jham

Pat Light has a walk rate of 6 per 9 in AAA between last year and this year. That's far worse than Alex Meyer, the poster boy for control issues. Seems far fetched that he'll suddenly learn to find the zone but could be useful if he gets that rate down below 4.

If Santana is on the move and it is to the Jays I would be asking for Reid-Foley, Greene, AND Pentecost. Or say no deal

yeah, no real complaints about Abad for light. If that's the going rate for relievers, I'm fine with it. Now let's get Kintzler out the door so we have an open spot for Chargois. 

 

10+K/9 is pretty nice.  Walk rate is too high at over 4.  Not a standout prospect, but 5 years of control and potential to be a back of the pen option is nice.  Can never have enough of those.

Top 100 guys don't really do anything for me. The majority of them don't pan out anyway and I have zero faith in this organization's ability to develop anyone.

Then it sounds like this trade deadline isn't going to excite you at all. They're not in the market for established MLB players...

Here's a link to Jeremy's Twitter, if you all want to follow that:

 

https://twitter.com/jeremynygaard

 

Latest update: he likewise has been unable to confirm anything in regards to Santana...

 

Unless that Santana is Danny...

I'd be even more happy with that than Ervin actually.....

 

If Santana is on the move and it is to the Jays I would be asking for Reid-Foley, Greene, AND Pentecost. Or say no deal

 

If we did that, there might be a few asking that Antony sticks around longer... 

 

The offense really isn't that far away.  (And I think they'd be closer if they had better coaching). 

 

Yeah, I mean they are 14th in BaseRuns scored per game. Not amazing or anything, but all things considered it's not bad.

 

Of course, 28th in BaseRuns allowed per game . . . 

 

If Santana is on the move and it is to the Jays I would be asking for Reid-Foley, Greene, AND Pentecost. Or say no deal

 

Funny... I had tabbed Reid-Foley and Pentecost and was trying to figure out my 3rd piece.

 

Was thinking Perdomo

Edited August 1, 201610 yr by amjgt

I like the Light trade, the Twins need to load up on power arms, it's the trend in the game right now. Hopefully he can figure out the control problems but I don't see what we have to lose by adding a guy that can touch triple digits...

 

It depends on if you're asking how many players are traded or actual trades occur. I think there is a good chance Suzuki and either Kinzler or Abad are packaged in the same deal.

That's my hope as well. If the Twins' minor league system is as strong as we've been hearing, one B+ prospect is better than two B- 's.

As a Twins fan, I'm stoked. We are trading players at peak value, at least with the Twins, for players with potential at positions of need. In my opinion, this is what committing to a rebuild looks like. 

 

Here's to hoping for a haul in return for Santana!

 

 

Funny... I had tabbed Reid-Foley and Pentecost and was trying to figure out my 3rd piece.

It would bring us over 2 quality pitching prospects and Pentecost, who I believe was a top 15 draft pick, at a position of EXTREME need

 

Funny... I had tabbed Reid-Foley and Pentecost and was trying to figure out my 3rd piece.

Pedromo?

 

Top 100 guys don't really do anything for me. The majority of them don't pan out anyway and I have zero faith in this organization's ability to develop anyone.

 

Edit: By top 100 I clearly do not mean top 25 but fringe top 100 guys don't excite me.

 

Unfortunately, I don't think the Twins have much in terms of capital to get something more than bottom end of top 100.  Dozier would be the only exception in my mind.  I'm just glad that Antony does appear to be moving pieces.  Not sure I'm thrilled about Santana (depending on the return)...

 

The point is we're focused on the next 5 years not next year.    Who cares if we don't have Santana next year

 

The point is always five years from now. Even when they were good they were always looking five years in advance.

 

 

I like the Abad trade. Getting Pat Light is a nice return. He's got a 10.5 K/9 in AAA with a 2.32 ERA. If the Twins can figure out how to get his pitches under control, then he could be a very good major league reliever.

 

Hopefully Chargois will be going up and somebody like Duffey or Boshers will be going down. It's time to give J. T. a fair shake.

 

Also, if Santana gets traded, it sounds like it'll be the Blue Jays. I wouldn't trade him unless I got a very good offer, so I'm interested to see what might happen.

 

Pedromo?

 

LOL.

 

I edited my original post to add him

 

I like the Abad trade. Getting Pat Light is a nice return. He's got a 10.5 K/9 in AAA with a 2.32 ERA. If the Twins can figure out how to get his pitches under control, then he could be a very good major league reliever.

 

Hopefully Chargois will be going up and somebody like Duffey or Boshers will be going down. It's time to give J. T. a fair shake.

 

Also, if Santana gets traded, it sounds like it'll be the Blue Jays. I wouldn't trade him unless I got a very good offer, so I'm interested to see what might happen.

 

I guess Molitor said yesterday that Duffey is going to the bullpen.

I hope it is Danny.  I don't want to watch Rochester 2.0 play.  Need MLB ready pitchers.  Tommy Millone in two years at Rochester has an ERA 1.50 in 12 starts with a WHIP under 1.  We don't have any of those stats from pitchers at Rochester with maybe Berrios, but he is not going to win 15+ games for a couple of years. They need to keep at one quality starter.  Twins can compete next year.  I also hope i am wrong about Berrios.  Better defense and less strikeouts and Twins are close.  But starting pitching has been a disaster.

 

I'd be even more happy with that than Ervin actually.....

Agreed, I'm just not sure that the return featuring a bucket of already chewed Double Bubble and a bag of baseballs with the covers knocked off of them is the HUGE deal that we have in mind.

Edited August 1, 201610 yr by wsnydes

 

 

 

I like the Abad trade. Getting Pat Light is a nice return. He's got a 10.5 K/9 in AAA with a 2.32 ERA. If the Twins can figure out how to get his pitches under control, then he could be a very good major league reliever.

 

Hopefully Chargois will be going up and somebody like Duffey or Boshers will be going down. It's time to give J. T. a fair shake.

 

Also, if Santana gets traded, it sounds like it'll be the Blue Jays. I wouldn't trade him unless I got a very good offer, so I'm interested to see what might happen.

 

Duffey is headed to the pen, so unless Boshers is sent down or Kintzler is traded, Chargois is still in AAA

 

Top 100 guys don't really do anything for me. The majority of them don't pan out anyway and I have zero faith in this organization's ability to develop anyone.

 

Edit: By top 100 I clearly do not mean top 25 but fringe top 100 guys don't excite me.

If they are currently a consensus top 100, it generally means something is going right for them.  You pretty much have to be playing well, with a bonus for top picks/signings who don't have much experience yet.  It's no sure thing, of course, but it's way better than a project (or even a bunch of them) like Pat Light.

 

Nick Gordon was perhaps a "fringe" top 100 guy after 2014, Tyler Jay after 2015... Alex Meyer after 2011 (his draft year), etc.

 

Agreed on your skepticism about this org's ability to develop that talent, but I don't want us to stop acquiring talent either.  Hopefully those issues get addressed this winter too.

If to Toronto, I would take:

P-Sean Reed-Foley

P-Conner Greene

C-Max Pentecost

 

 

 

If to Toronto, I would take:

P-Sean Reed-Foley

P-Conner Greene

C-Max Pentecost

If you can get just Sean Reid-Foley. You take it and run.

 

Duffey is headed to the pen, so unless Boshers is sent down or Kintzler is traded, Chargois is still in AAA

 

Plan can change especially pending the returns they get and the pieces they move at the deadline. I wouldn't be surprised if they back off of the Duffey to the pen bit in favor of Chargois.