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Agreed, I'm just not sure that the return featuring a bucket of already chewed Double Bubble and a bag of baseballs with the covers knocked off of them is the HUGE deal that we have in mind.

If they toss in a tin of Skoal or Grizzly Wintergreen I bet the Twins would take it.

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Or when the other team doesn't give up what you want.  I'd rather see Santana as a Twin at the end of the day rather than a sub-par package for him.

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The Twins do have the advantage of not needing to trade him.  He's a good player - already worth 2 WAR this season - on a decent contract.  He shouldn't be a salary dump.  If they can't get a better p

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Per Jon Heyman, Twins sending Abad to Red Sox.  

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Have read Hutchison could headline Santana trade, has MLB experience but is in AAA right now. Would more than likely take Santana's rotation spot immediately. Throw in Reid-Foley and Pentecost and I think we should take it

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Plan can change especially pending the returns they get and the pieces they move at the deadline. I wouldn't be surprised if they back off of the Duffey to the pen bit in favor of Chargois.

 

To be clear, I'm fine with that.  I just think it would be strange to announce Duffey to the pen and then send him to Rochester a day later.

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Pat Light has a walk rate of 6 per 9 in AAA between last year and this year. That's far worse than Alex Meyer, the poster boy for control issues. Seems far fetched that he'll suddenly learn to find the zone but could be useful if he gets that rate down below 4.

You're absolutely right that he's not serviceable as is, but I'd rather see the Twins take the chance that a guy like Light learns control, rather than the chance that a control guy learns how to miss bats. The Twins seem to have taken the latter approach about as far as it can go.

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If they are currently a consensus top 100, it generally means something is going right for them.  You pretty much have to be playing well, with a bonus for top picks/signings who don't have much experience yet.  It's no sure thing, of course, but it's way better than a project (or even a bunch of them) like Pat Light.

 

Nick Gordon was perhaps a "fringe" top 100 guy after 2014, Tyler Jay after 2015... Alex Meyer after 2011 (his draft year), etc.

 

Agreed on your skepticism about this org's ability to develop that talent, but I don't want us to stop acquiring talent either.  Hopefully those issues get addressed this winter too.

 

Just pointing out that the examples you listed are guys who broke into the fringe of the top 100 in their first year. Those types of guys are considered good prospects. That's a very different context from AAA/AA guys with 3+ years experience who are still barely in the top 100. Those types of players are likely approaching their ceiling.

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Have read Hutchison could headline Santana trade, has MLB experience but is in AAA right now. Would more than likely take Santana's rotation spot immediately. Throw in Reid-Foley and Pentecost and I think we should take it

If Hutchinson is the headline, you can probably forget about either of the other 2 being included. I personally hope it's not Hutchinson, he's a typical low upside starter that we've seen over and over again these last several years. 

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You're absolutely right that he's not serviceable as is, but I'd rather see the Twins take the chance that a guy like Light learns control, rather than the chance that a control guy learns how to miss bats. The Twins seem to have taken the latter approach about as far as it can go.

 

Agreed, and I'm not intending to poo poo the trade. This is likely what Abad was worth, and I'd rather shoot for upside over low ceiling/mediocre floor types. Just providing some context that he doesn't have just a "little" control problem, he's vintage Ricky Vaughn at the moment.

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If Hutchinson is the headline, you can probably forget about either of the other 2 being included. I personally hope it's not Hutchinson, he's a typical low upside starter that we've seen over and over again these last several years. 

I hope he isn't included either

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So the Twins trade for Pat Light, someone they drafted back in 2009 but couldn't sign.

29th round pick, fireballer out of high school. The majority of those type of draft picks don't sign and end up in college anyways. Clearly it was the right move for Light.

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If Hutchinson is the headline, you can probably forget about either of the other 2 being included. I personally hope it's not Hutchinson, he's a typical low upside starter that we've seen over and over again these last several years. 

 

You should probably elaborate.  Minor league K rate over 9, keeps the ball in the park, and minimizes his walk rate.  Might not be that ace upside we want, but certainly looks like he could be a decent starter.  The bigger problem I see is that getting guys like that and Mejia, are they going to continue to trot Milone and Nolasco out...

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Just pointing out that the examples you listed are guys who broke into the fringe of the top 100 in their first year. Those types of guys are considered good prospects. That's a very different context from AAA/AA guys with 3+ years experience who are still barely in the top 100. Those types of players are likely approaching their ceiling.

Sure, but in the post I was responding too, no such distinction was made.

 

Besides, most guys from AAA/AA with 3+ years of experience aren't going to stay in the top 100 if evaluators think they're near the ceiling.

 

It's a game of chance with any prospect, but I think "top 100" is a useful generic construct.  Elite prospects rarely get deal, so it's useful to have a term for the next tier (beyond which might be 200-300 guys with fairly interchangeable cases).

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