Rosario's trade value is very limited.

I disagree with this article and all those calling for Rosie to be traded.

He drove in 109 runs and hit 32 homers.  Does anyone really think one of the rookies will replace those numbers?   He is a bad ball, low ball hitter. He doesn't hit for high average.  So what? He makes plays.

I know he has some moments when you think he may be dogging it, but he played a good part of the year on bad wheels. 

I would trade the prospects before this guy. I know they look like the shinier pebbles right now, but that is all just speculation. Rosie has proven he can play at the major league level, which is more than you can say for the prospects. Plus, he is a difference maker. When he is healthy, and comes up with runners on, I expect something good is gonna happen. Twins hit him 4th. That means they are high on him. 

But if they trade him to the Yanks, he will hit 45 homers

I disagree with this article and all those calling for Rosie to be traded.

 

He drove in 109 runs and hit 32 homers.  Does anyone really think one of the rookies will replace those numbers?   He is a bad ball, low ball hitter. He doesn't hit for high average.  So what? He makes plays.

This is a common refrain from anyone scouting his stat line. He did those things and was STILL barely above league average. He doesn’t get on base, he drove in runs because he batted cleanup, and he’s a poor fielder. You aren’t a bad ball hitter just because you swing at balls. He’s a bad ball hitter because he can’t tell a strike nearly 50% of the time.

This is a common refrain from anyone scouting his stat line. He did those things and was STILL barely above league average. He doesn’t get on base, he drove in runs because he batted cleanup, and he’s a poor fielder. You aren’t a bad ball hitter just because you swing at balls. He’s a bad ball hitter because he can’t tell a strike nearly 50% of the time.

This comment from your article was idiotic: "and even his “good” production in game three came through pitches he had no business generating positive results off."  What the he77 does that even mean?  Who has any business getting away with a pitch in the dirt, a grooved fastball, a snow cone catch, a batted ball off the rubber or a base, or a blooper over the shift?  Sometimes results come from just being capable.  Sorry, your article has many assumptions (that any touted minor league player can replace Eddie's production, clubhouse influence, etc), that Eddie is expendable and can create an equitable asset in a trade.  Moreover, how many .278 hitters with 30+ HRs and 100+ RBIs have we had in the past 25 years (before this year)?  That's right, one.  Justin Morneau.  This year, he is joined by only Cruz.  That makes 3 in 25 years.  Yep, really expendable.  What do you expect to get for him in terms of SP, and what will be the impact on the OF and in the clubhouse?

I oppose anything Jim Souhan supports.

I oppose anything Jim Souhan supports.

He is a shmuck, that’s fair.

Rosario may not bring the type of pitching that we need. You cited the 103 WRC and the $9 million contract. Not sure there is enough excess value there. I would explore a trade of an outfielder for pitching.  It may have to be one of the prospects. MLB trade rumors mentioned Colorado may be looking at trading Story or Jon Gray as they are in a payroll bind. They would probably want the prospect outfielder. Gray may do better away from Coors.

Rosario may not bring the type of pitching that we need. You cited the 103 WRC and the $9 million contract. Not sure there is enough excess value there. I would explore a trade of an outfielder for pitching.  It may have to be one of the prospects. MLB trade rumors mentioned Colorado may be looking at trading Story or Jon Gray as they are in a payroll bind. They would probably want the prospect outfielder. Gray may do better away from Coors.

That's exactly the pitcher that Zone Coverage's Brandon Warne mentioned moving Rosario for. I would be ecstatic if that's the type of return they could get. I think that would involve some other very real pieces for the Twins though, and would include the sell job I mentioned on Rosario's prospects in Colorado.

Eddie is someone I enjoy watching and take away his RBIs and HR from the past year and we might not have won the Central...Put him back in Left Field and he will do great in 2020. At least he brought his bat to the playoffs....

Eddie is someone I enjoy watching and take away his RBIs and HR from the past year and we might not have won the Central...Put him back in Left Field and he will do great in 2020. At least he brought his bat to the playoffs....

I mean, he hit a meaningless solo shot in the 8th inning of game three. He was 1-9 in the first two games with 4 K

Good take Ted. The other side of the argument is maybe more powerful.

Rosario doesn't bring us a stud by himself. Buxton or Kiriloff probably do.
Rosario still has upside - maybe more upside than Buxton or Kiriloff - debatable.
Will either Buxton or Kiriloff materialize - I don't know? I suggest Rosario has already materialized with more upside to come.

This is why Falvey was hired. To make the right call.

I am not convinced Buxton will ever stay healthy and give us a season.
No one can know if Kiriloff will fulfill his promise.

I say Eddie keeps getting better and I say he is our swagger guy. Every champion needs a swagger guy - an attitude guy - a clubhouse guy, and Eddie is one of the young guns who all came through the system together. There is some karma there I don't want to mess with. 

You don't just simply replace 32 HRs and 109 RBI with any one of the current corner outfield prospects we have.  And if all of the terrible stats mentioned about Eddie Rosario are true, what team in their right mind would give up good quality pitching for him?   

Eddie is someone I enjoy watching and take away his RBIs and HR from the past year and we might not have won the Central...Put him back in Left Field and he will do great in 2020. At least he brought his bat to the playoffs....

I mean, he hit a meaningless solo shot in the 8th inning of game three. He was 1-9 in the first two games with 4 K

Using 2019 playoff performance as a reason to move a player would work for every other hitter on the team not named Polanco, Cruz or Arraez.  Arraez still had a negative WPA and made the WPA for some of his pitchers worse as well.  

If Eddie's 923 OPS is an "absolute abomination", then the Twins are pretty much screwed.

It's funny, Ted, how you can point to the small sample sizes of the Twins playoff games to condescend Twins fans who are fed up with playoff futility, but then turn around and twist the timeliness of how a single player's small sample size is organized across that small sample size to deem his production abominable.

... and Souhan's a shmuck?   There's this old story about removing the plank from your own eye, so you can see clearly to remove the grain from your peer's. Just sayin'.

If Eddie's 923 OPS is an "absolute abomination", then the Twins are pretty much screwed.

 

It's funny, Ted, how you can point to the small sample sizes of the Twins playoff games to condescend Twins fans who are fed up with playoff futility, but then turn around and twist the timeliness of how a single player's small sample size is organized across that small sample size to deem his production abominable.

 

... and Souhan's a shmuck? There's this old story about removing the plank from your own eye, so you can see clearly to remove the grain from your peer's. Just sayin'.

I'm also not sure how the relevance of Twins teams from a few years, or even decades ago, have any bearing on what the 2019 group did. They got swept. It stinks. The Yankees are good. That stinks too. None of that has any real connections to what took place years ago.

There have been rumors (who knows how much truth there is to them) that the Red Sox are interested in possibly moving Betts due to payroll issues. Rosario and Kirilloff to start the conversation with Boston in a deal that would send Betts to MN?

There have been rumors (who knows how much truth there is to them) that the Red Sox are interested in possibly moving Betts due to payroll issues. Rosario and Kirilloff to start the conversation with Boston in a deal that would send Betts to MN?

The Twins could never afford Betts...

I mean, he hit a meaningless solo shot in the 8th inning of game three. He was 1-9 in the first two games with 4 K

Meaningless? it made the the game 3-1 at the time. Not his fault the bullpen gave up 2 in top of the 9th and Kepler swung and missed (again) and Cruz stood there and took strike 3 in the bottom.   

Meaningless? it made the the game 3-1 at the time. Not his fault the bullpen gave up 2 in top of the 9th and Kepler swung and missed (again) and Cruz stood there and took strike 3 in the bottom.   

Meaningless in the sense that there was no feeling in the stadium that it was going to play into the final result at all. He hit it, the crowd erupted, and immediately it was a library again. It was a holo homer, just as his slash line was for 2019.

I mean, he hit a meaningless solo shot in the 8th inning of game three. He was 1-9 in the first two games with 4 K

Dude at least he got us on the board.

Arraez hits that HR and you'd call him "the one guy with guts on this team who is still trying".

I know Eddie has his faults, but this Eddie-hating is ridiculous.

There's no "hate" or malice towards anyone. As someone that's both a fan but then also puts so much time into covering the team, I'd hope for nothing more than everyone be productive. A guy worth 1.2 fWAR with an .800 OPS is not anything to be excited about or look to make excuses for.

My hope is that they can trade Rosario under the premise that he's the 3.0+ fWAR guy from 2018 and we get a nice return.

There isn't emotion here.

You don't just simply replace 32 HRs and 109 RBI with any one of the current corner outfield prospects we have.  And if all of the terrible stats mentioned about Eddie Rosario are true, what team in their right mind would give up good quality pitching for him?   

32 Hr's with a juiced ball is really not that impressive to be honest.

Funniest thing I heard earlier this year was Reggie Jackson asked how he would think he would do if he played in this era. He responded I would probably hit 20 hr's, asked why so low  he said you know i'm 73 years old.  I know i butchered it but i'm sure you get it.

Hahahaha.  We get what you mean though.  To those who say "how do you replace 32 HR's and 109 RBI's ??  Well, the Nationals let Harper walk and they did just fine.  All offensive stats from this last season are a little inflated, but that shouldn't diminish what Eddie did.  Still, this team has 4 of their 5 starting rotation slots to fill.  I don't want this to seem like I'm diminishing Eddie, but both Larnach and Kiriloff will be better, more productive hitters wherever the Twins put them in the lineup.  Both young guys have better strike zone awareness than Eddie.  They will get on base at a higher rate.  They won't hit 32 HR's or drive in 109 runs in their rookie seasons, but they won't be hitting cleanup either.  But you deal Eddie becasue you have Larnach and Kiriloff.  Maybe you deal him to the D-Backs for Robbie Ray ?  Maybe it's a bigger package with more players, but we need starting pitching MORE than we need Eddie's bat. 

I have been an Edde fan, but this year his play and his seeming blasé attitude have been sometimes confounding. But to really know what's up one would need to know the answers to two questions, the true answers which we will never find out. First is how his legs really were. Season long nagging injury? Or not? Second was his apparent non chalance driven by a dislike for being forced to RF? This questions isn't in defense of such dislike, it's meant to analyze his actual behavior and results.

The Twins could never afford Betts...

Sure they could. It would just mean less money elsewhere.

Since Eddie doesn't make a whole like of money compared to some other players, example Mr Harper.....I would keep him in Left Field. I just think he needs glasses or contacts! Send him to the eye doctor. Heck, it worked for Ricky Vaughn....hehe