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Robertson just signed by Phillies for 2 yrs/$23MM!! A very reasonable contract, even for the Twins. Now the FA reliever market will accelerate. Yanks reportedly all in on Britton(good - they can have him!!). If this FO is serious about a substantial bullpen upgrade, they better be on the phone with Ottavino's and Herrera's agents. IMO, pretty steep dropoff after that(assuming Kimbrel is a lost cause). After these three, and perhaps Allen, not much closer material left. And please, please, please ........ no more talk of Romero in the bullpen. He is arguably the only near term minor league starter with front-of-the-rotation potential!

Thanks guys for all the great ideas. They have certainly crystallized my thinking into stating a few preferences for the bullpen: -Initially I,too, preferred the two FA signings of the "second tier", Ottavino and Herrera, at the top. Spreads the risk a bit more and more importantly, allows for Twins' internal parts to develop under less pressure. Just too worried about Roger's overuse last year, Reed's injury and his falloff on return, May's long injury history and Hildy's miserable flop as a closer. -But reconsidering the above, put me down for the signing of Robertson to slot into the closer's role immediately. A closer is the Twins real need going forward and I have the most confidence in Robertson. Two year contract would be fine, but a 3 year one, if ncessary, should be made available by a FO wanting to stabilize this bullpen for more than one year. It will probably take an overpay to induce Robertson to the TC, but he's worth it, IMO. He has maintained a high K/9 which is the surest sign of a successful closer. Herrera's late season injury , and Ottavino's erratic year-to-year performance, makes me hesitate on these two(maybe one can be counted on but two is a crap shoot so picking one of thetwo to be the closer could be risky). Of course, if a miracle occurred and the Twins could ink both these guys, all the better. I just don't think this FO has the b...ls for this move. So add Robertson, maybe one outlier from Chris's list and I'll take my chances with the rest of the pen. I think we can all agree, however, that if the FO does none of this, we're looking forward to another year of treading water. Should be an interesting six weeks before ST! Go Twins!!

Chris, appreciate your comments. To respond: 1. The Giants should trade Baumgartner given their aging roster, declining performances, and very tough division. Whether their new GM will be so inclined is another question. From reports I read, chances are more likely of him moving at trade deadline rather than now. Still, it's worth the phone call. 2. Greinke represents a twofold problem: his large contract($30MM/year over next three years) and his no-trade clause. Still, depending on how much $ the Dbacks throw back, the loss of prospects would not be nearly as steep as for a Thor or Wheeler and what good is our "stacked farm system" if we don't use it? Greinke is, like Baumgartner, a long shot, but if the Twins brass truly wants a contending team this year, they have to take a good shot at one of these guys. 3. Keuchel, while not costing prospects, would cost a high draft choice. More importantly, he seems to be holding out for a 5year contract at probably somewhere near $20MM a year. For a "midmarket" Pohlad-owned team, this is simply too high a price to pay long term, especially with the impending need to sign some of our own core to long term contracts. He slipped badly last year and thus, I would vote a strong no unless his asking price drops considerably. 4. Likewise, a big no on Gonzales who at 33 has a diminished FB reportedly not topping 90mph. He is a lefty and can probably fall within the Twins budget but for a lower ranked starter, I'd rather put my money into the bullpen. We have enough internal candidates for the #4/5 rotational positions. It's a #1(and probably#2) starter the team sorely lacks - almost a necessity for going deep into the playoffs. 5. Rolling the dice on someone younger like Bundy might be a play but why would a rebuilding Oriole team jettison him? It would take a haul of our best prospects, probably including a Lewis or Kirillof, to snare him. With Bundy's ERA never breaking 4.00(and last year at 5.45), he's not worth the risk of decimating our top prospect list. Now if a top package of prospects could fetch a Snell or Snydergaard, I'm all for it!! This whole discussion is probably a moot point, as I'm afraid our new FO is as risk adverse as the old one(except in mid-summer starter-for-prospect trades). They've filled some holes but even these fillers come with big question marks, adding to the many other questions in our lineup and staffs. I just think we have to reconcile ourselves to another year of wait and see. Ugh!!

Assuming the Twins have "limited" funds this offseason, my preference is to address their biggest need, the bullpen, first. Hopefully, this would result in signing one of the proven closers or two of the second tier of FA's. The value of adding a #3, 4 or 5 starter is highly doubtful, IMO. They already have enough of those and the southpaw Mejia is most likely to fill the lefty role as a #5 starter. What the FO should be doing, if they were to go all in, is to find a starter to slot in ahead of Berrios, Gibson, et. al. This would entail a trade that would result in trading some real assets. For a young, controllable pitcher like one of the Mets big four, yes, Lewis or Kirillof, would have to be part of any trade, along with someone like Kepler and a couple of our top rated minor league pitchers, perhaps. Since the likelihood of that ever happening is remote, I would turn to a short term solution like Greinke or Baumgartner for the next year or two. Both Arizona and the Giants are in a rebuild mode and would be much more willing to accept far less than it would take to get one of the Mets' top starters. If the Twins could add such a potential "ace", along with the aforementioned bullpen upgrade, the 2019 Twins would look like a genuine contender, not a pretender. Any bets on whether this scenario enfolds?

So now that the home town nine have apparently filled their glaring lineup holes, our thoughts (and hopefully Flavines') should be turning to the 2019 bullpen. Let's examine the team's options: 1. Stand pat and hope there are enough internal options to build a reasonably effective pen. This is not as far fetched as one might think, given the performance of Rogers in 2018, the re-emergence of May after two injury-plagued years, a healthy Addison Reed, and a well-rested Hildenberger who hopefully can snap back from a woeful second half performance last year. Add in some other potential dependable arms like Magill, Moya, and Vasquez and on paper this could be an improved pen in 2019. Throw Romero into a late inning role and the possibilities for a much improved bullpen are enhanced. 2. Go for the best proven closer on the FA market and call it a day. Any of the three top candidates - Kimbrel, Britton, or Robertson - would immediately step in as the closer. Although not risk free, each would represent a sizable upgrade over last season's opening day closer, Rodney, and give all Twins fans the confidence that the FO has taken a significant step forward towards contention. Looking at each of these three, Kimbrel seems to be out of reach given his six year contract demands. As good as he is, investing big sums in a reliever does not make a lot of sense for a team with as many question marks as this one still has. Robertson would represent the best investment assuming a maximum 3 year contract. Britton with his injury history would probably represent the highest risk, but has a huge upside. The Twins can afford to splurge here if they have to. The question is : will they? 3. The Twins can set their sights lower and go for one or two lower-priced FAs who while not proven closers would still likely be a significant upgrade. Ottavino, Allen, and Herrera are the cream of the crop in this second tier. Chad Allen is a risk after a poor 2018 stint, but this falloff would lower the price enough for the Twins to afford another of his caliber. Herrera and/or Ottavino would appear light years ahead of any current Twins bullpen denizen. Signing any two of this group would send a clear signal to ther team and fans that this organization is serious about contending in 2019 at a cost not much more than $20MM/year for two. So which of these three categories would you select? The Twins have certainly strengthened their offense in the offseason. A rebound season by either Buxton or Sano would be another big step towards competing in the Central, at the very least. The rotation, while not spectacular, looks like it could be pretty solid if things break right. Only the bullpen is shaky and the pieces are there in free agency to fix this hole. Just a matter of FO resolve. If they just nibble at the edges here, it would be a sure indicator they are not serious about contention in 2019.

If Kep’s a below average player, then why are so many teams interested in him?? Simultaneously, why trade Kep if he’s about to breakout?? And why attach Romero and Lewis to the very same deal?? This is the why I’m not a fan of trading for “Thor,” because they’ll “undervalue” guys like Kepler and Romero, but overvalue Syndergaard to the point where Lewis is has to be included. In other words, I think other teams are trying to rip us off, and why wouldn’t they?? I just hope the FO doesn’t fall for it. Chris, as one who advocated going all in for Thor( I actually proposed a trade including Sano, Kepler and one of our catchers - not Lewis or Kirillof), I must admit that it would be much harder to include Kepler rather than Sano. I say this because of all the tantalizing improvements Max seems to make, together with his lack of playing time before signing. Sano on the other hand, while showing flashes of greatness, carries too heavy a burden in terms of temperament, character and lack of conditioning to be able to count on as a core member of a contending club. But the real issue is how the trade partner values each player. No real way of knowing. I included both Sano and Kepler only because each is unproven as a potential all star and short of giving up one of our two uber-prospects, these two are the most likely major-league - ready players we have. Sure they would leave holes in an already porous lineup but to get an ace pitcher you must give up quality. While the Donaldson ship has already sailed, there are some 3B replacements on the FA market and even more for the corner outfield position. Yes, it would take boldness to trade two of our "starters" but a Syndergaard does not become available every offseason. As it turns out, the Mets' likelihood of trading Thor has diminished since the first flurry of rumors, so perhaps this whole topic is a moot point, but if a #1 or #2 starter can be pried loose(and signed to a long term deal), this FO should be making an all-out effort to complete such a trade. Aces don't come along often but when they do, a contending organization must take the risk(see Boston/Sale and Houston/Verlander). Why not the Twins?

Ted, always enjoy your articles - one of main reasons I'm a daily visitor to this site. But when I read the headline "Replicating Relief Success....", I thought this was a tongue-in-cheek headline. Do you really believe the Twinkies have been successful in developing relievers? C'mon!! This area has been one of the biggest failures of Twins teams, especially in 2011 - today. Last year we added three FA relievers and this year we should add another three from outside. With the sole exception of Rogers, this organization has utterly failed top develop shutdown relievers(and even Rogers has not had sustained success especially as a late-inning reliever). Hildy was absolutely a disaster last uyear, particularly in pressure situations) and May's "success" was very limited (26 IP in 2018). The rest of the bullpen is just middle inning filler material, at best. The list of failed draftees for the bullpen over the past decade is as long as my arm: Reed, Chargois, Duffy, Jay, Bard, et.al. Do you really think Kohl Stewart is the answer with his 92mph fastball and mediocre success in the minors? For the Twins to have a chance for even a decent bullpen, I think everyone sees the need for two top FA closers this offseason to slot ahead of Rogers and Reed. Even then, this is not a championship-caliber bullpen. It is disheartening how badly Ryan and company failed to develop any pitching despite having many high draft choices. And falvine has gone after positionn players in their two drafts, understandably, considering past disappointments from the Ryan era. Still, as things stand today, does anyone see an ace-in-the-making in the minors? Judging from the rankings, only Graterol seems possible and he has an awful long way to go. Hate to be such a pessimist here, but past performance in this organization provides little hope that difference-making relievers are on the way from the minors, especially not the likes of Kohl Stewart.

And that's the problem, Vanimal. This new FO seems totally adverse to trades. Other than the Odorizzi transaction, in which the Rays were clearly in a dumping mode, this FO has shown no imagination or risk taking to engage in meaningful trades - IN TWO FULL YEARS! Why is that? This offseason would be a good time to change this pattern, given the improvement in the Minor League system, together with a dearth of FA building blocks in the Twins price range(that's a whole other column, btw). To date, the FO this offseason has followed a pattern of picking up DFA players on one year contracts in the hopes they rebound to previous heights. Not a bad strategy if you have some bona fide lineup studs to build around. That not being the case, the Twins are obviously counting on rebounds from their tattered core plus these new one year signees. Isn't this like drawing to an inside straight? What it isn't, is a recipe for moving into playoff contention. Granted, the offseason isn't over. I fully expect the Twins to add a couple of bullpen options and maybe an OF/DH type and/or a #4 or #5 rotation filler, but will any of this really move the needle in 2019? Very, very doubtful and with the division seemingl;y more competitive, together with the Twins' payroll space and quantity of tradable minor leaguers, this conservatism on the part of Falvine is truly inexplicable. It sure would be nice to see some transparency by ownership and Falvey what their long range plan is here because so far it seems they have none - other than muddling thru.

Here's the thing that I already know is going to irritate the hell out of me... Even IF you want to accept that uncertainty over Buxton/Sano means you're not going to shell out money for any of the top free agents (which certainly is worthy of debate, but for the moment let's go along with it), the fact that you have all that money coming off the books means that AT LEAST you don't have to wait out the market and be satisfied with signing the guys still available in February. Yes, a lot of teams played that card last year and maybe even more will wait the market out this year. But because the Twins have way more payroll flexibility this year than virtually anyone else in MLB, they can afford to take the risk that they're going to "overpay" by some moderate amount to get the "best of the rest" in that tier below the really expensive guys. While the big spending teams are focused on the top FAs and the teams with budget issues are waiting for the market to shake out so they can pick up the guys who are still looking for jobs in February, the Twins could be getting their pick of the tier of players just below the big money guys. The FO should be identifying exactly who they feel are the best fits for their needs, based on whatever magic algorithms they've decided they like, and then go get those guys early, even though they would have to pay a little more than they would if they played the waiting game again. With so much money arguably available, there's no reason to pinch pennies all the way into February/March again. Well said, Mr. Buhr! If the Twins were serious about contending in 2019, they needed to identify their holes, fill them speedily before the market shakes out, and not wait for the annual Twins' dumpster dive. Their holes are glaring, no doubt. Bullpen, one ace starter(at least), 1B, 2B(or SS), DH/cleanup hitter . One obvious target was Davidson(arguably the best hitter in FA other than Harper/Machado) for cleanup hitter. Cruz for DH seems like the best DH around. Together these two would have given the lineup the needed significant boost. Instead, the Twins sign a highly mediocre filler in Cron. Why? Because he was DFA, so an easy grab. I, too, am afraid the FO will play around the edges again, seeking bargains - in a year where the Twins easily have $50+MM to add to payroll. They also have an ability, if not the desire, to land an ace in the form of Thor(or lesser, Wheeler) if they were motivated. But all indications are they will not strike quickly and that is perplexing when Cleveland is retrenching and the rest of the Division is a year or two away from contention. Why not now! It is likely that either Sano or Buxton will rebound to 2017 values(no, probably not both), that the Twins have a pretty good #2-#5 rotation, and some good above average major leaguers in Polanco, Garver, Rosario and hopefully, Kepler. Yes, some ifs but with the right risk-taking, it is easy to see this team more competitive next year. They have money to spend, tradable assets in a strong minor league system, and a decent, albeit not overpowering , core of young players. There is simply no excuse for the FO to sit back and wait for bargains. They have the means to strike; unfortunately, the will seems to be missing!

Given what’s out there however, none of the necessary additions can simply be band-aids. Whether or not the front-office goes for it in 2019 or beginning in 2020 doesn’t much matter. This club needs an impact bat in the worst way and skimping on that should draw ire from the fan base. Ted, couldn't have said it better! This team has so many holes now that it would almost be like drawing to an inside straight to expect the team to be a legitimate playoff contender next year. But try they must, given the state of the division, the likely decline of the Indians, a decent core, and most importantly, a surfeit of money. Much has been said about the need for, not one, but at least two outside late-inning relievers who should, at least going into the season, above their two best current relievers, Rodgers and May. This need can easily be addressed by a couple of shrewd free agent signings from a particularly deep crop this year(only a cautionary note: go for proven quality, not potential rebound candidates). Assuming the FO can get that done, they should move on to filling glaring offense needs, mainly lack of both impact hitters and good OBP players. Openings exist at DH, !B, 2b/SS, and 3B(Sano cannot be assumed to bounce back given his poor lack of self control). The OF and C positions should hardly be priorities unless Kepler heading a package for a top starter is necessary(Buxton's fielding prowess makes him a keeper, at least for the first 2-3 months of the season). So your list presents some attractive candidates. I would be delighted to snare two of Donaldson, Cruz, or Santana - but two would be a minimum in an ideal world. Since up the middle defense is important, I might sacrifice a little offense, but not much. Marwin Gonzales or Addison Russell would lead the list to fill the SS position. These three new players would put a real jolt in an anemic Twins' lineup and would act as a bridge to the Twins next round of prospe cts for 2020-21. Should either Sano or Buxton mature, all the better, but at least we wouldn't be counting on them to move forward offensively. The topping on this offseason has to be at least one addition who would supplant Berrios as our #1 starter. There are some trade candidates who surely must be looked at,e.g., Baumgartner, Greinke, Matz, Wheeler. Yes, there is some risk in this list, but the Twins have the minor league depth now, along with one of our major league starters(Sano or Kepler) to appeal to a rebuilding team like the Mets, Giants or Dbacks to get a trade done. Completion of the above scenario is within the realm of possibility and with a new energetic manager and coaching staff, would be enough to bring back the franchise into relevance again. Failure to do this will only keep the Twins treading water and wait for the next round of prospects. That hope has been dashed too many times to believe it is a viable path anymore. If this is a really dynamic FO, they need to show more resolve in building a winner in an offseason that offers so much promise.

I, too, have been divided on the FO's acumen. With a glut of well-regarded pitching coaches on the market last year, the wonder boys reached way down and picked Alston, who seemed to be treading water in his coaching career with no sign of progressive advancement. It seemed like sheer hubris to me that they bypassed someone like Mike Maddox for an untested guy like Alston. The fact he lasted only one year somewhat seems like a FO concession to a mistake. Now they go totally outside the box and select a college pitching coach without any prior MLB experience. Is this another sign of Falvey being too smart for his own good again? Strangely enough, I sort of like this pick. It shows a real willingness to roll the dice and go with someone brand new with perhaps a refreshing new outlook that might change the long term failures in the organization. Here's hoping they drew the brass ring on this one, because if not, you can pretty much kiss Falvey and his five year plan goodbye. But sometimes, a big risk can pay off. In this case, we'll just have to wait and see. But there is one caveat here. The FO must give the new manager and coaches more to work with in 2019. The needs in the bullpen are glaringly obvious: at least two veteran late inning relievers are a must. With plenty of payroll space and a strong FA class, there is simply no excuse available if they don't fill these holes. And while the rotation seems to have stabilized with the emergence of Berrios and Gibson, there is no way theTwins can legitimately compete in 2019 without adding at least one "ace" to this staff. While FA starters(Corbin, Keuchel) are out of the Twins' payroll reach, there are some trade candidates who are available, including Greinke, Baumgartner(maybe) and perhaps either Wheeler or Matz from the Mets. Assuming the Twins agressively go after at least 2-3 offensive improvements in FA, they should have surplus to pull off such a trade with Sano or Kepler being likely trade bait, along with our strong minor league prospect list. Yes, there is still the possibility the FO has already decided to sit back and wait for Sano and Buxton to establish themselves(or not) in 2019, but if so, they are greatly lessening the chance for success by the new manager and coaches.

Levine told Hayes that if Sano and Buxton take a step forward “I think we have primed ownership to then give us the green light to take more of an aggressive step forward with this unit of players.” We’ll see how the offseason unfolds, but that quote leads me to believe there’s going to be more of a holding pattern this upcoming season. That they'll wait for a Sano/Buxton breakout before really getting aggressive. That’s the last thing I want to see. Be buyers or sellers. You’re either in or you’re out. No more middle ground In an offseason totally devoid of action, we Twin fans are forced to grasp at straws and as Tom points out, this is perhaps a sign of the 2018/2019 offseason. While some fans may see this as the "prudent,low-risk" approach, to the rest of us, this would truly be a wasted opportunity and an indictment of Falvey and company . Consider: 1. With an estimated payroll of about $70-75 MM going into the offseason, the Twins have close to that much money to spend. Why should it be saved for future years, especially when the best team in the division seems to by possibly retrenching, the rest of the division is a ways from being competitive, and the Twins despite many disappointments in 2018, were only 6 games below .500. 2. The Twins have built up enough depth in their minor league system to trade at least some of their top prospects for established major leaguers, particularly in the rotation. After all, as we know from bitter experience, many of these "prospects" will never advance beyond that status. 3. Waiting until midseason to see how Sano/Buxton perform is a sure-fire prescription for mediocrity. The Twins can hope that at least Buxton rises to his 2017 WAR level, solidifying the OF defense, and that Sano can easily be replaced with a FA player. If both Sano and Buxton bounce back, so muct the better - the Twins could advance from contender for a WC spot to genuine playoff threat. What's wrong with being "too deep" in quality players? Treading water in the offseason waiting for the 2019 season to unfold is an unacceptable middling position unworthy of the FO whiz kids and long-suffering Twin fans. This passivity that Levine seems to demonstrate in the above quote smacks too much of Ryanism and all the mediocrity that brought one playoff victory in the last 18 years!!). I, for one, would be outraged if Levine backs up these words with the corresponding inaction his words imply.

Ted, kudos on delving into an important issue the Twins face this offseason. Up the middle defense is important and the Twins need to improve there. Castro should improve the catching position, Buxton the CF position, and moving Polanco to 2B would likewise be an upgrade. But signing a good field, no-hit guy like Iglesias does little to address one of the main weaknesses on this team: a dearth of hitters! In my book, if we are going to contend in 2019(and that should be the intent of the wonder boys) bringing in more offense is a priority, especially if Castro and Buxton are regulars, Mauer retires, and Sano is traded(more on that later). So, Marwin and yes, Addison Russell(because his value is lowered with his 40 game suspension) are the most offensive-oriented SS available at a reasonable cost. The twins can ill afford another black hole in their lineup! Gordon cannot be depended on(and probably should be traded as part of a starting pitcher package), Lewis is 2 -3 years away and no one else in the system looks like a bona fide major leaguer. I believe Sano must be dangled, with some minor leaguers, to rebuilding teams who need prospects and a potential starter at 3B. The Mets and Giants both come to mind here. Matz, Wheeler or better yet, Snydergaard, could be pried loose, as could maybe Baumgartner. This type of trade would address the clear need for a #1 starter. Yes, losing Sano is a risk but one that should be taken, especially if the Twins go all out after Donaldson. Signing Cruz as the full-time DH would add to a much revitalized Twins lineup. Guys like Corbin, Machado, etc., are pipe dreams for the Twins franchise but some smart trades and FA signings could put the disappointing 2018 in the rear view mirror and help fill the gap until the next wave comes up.

Nick, you guys are finally warming up! Tom's plan to trade away important assets for a continuing rebuild makes little sense, particularly as it weakens our already mediocre rotation. And Seth's build-from-within plan is simply unrealistic given the porous "core" we simply cannot depend on to compete. Why kick away the opportunity to compete in 2019 when you have a mediocre division that only looks to get weaker with a cash-strapped Cleveland team contemplating listening to offers for their SPs and a Twins team flux with AAAA prospects and a large amount of cash to spend? Most fans hope to see a combination of FA signings and trades to fill obvious weaknesses in the lineup and staff, as you have done. A few specific comments on your ideas: 1. I like your addition of 3 newcomers to a shaky bullpen that badly needs at least two stoppers. I would only disagree with a trade for Iglesias, as FA relievers are in abundance and such a trade would deplete our tradable assets for more scarce commodities. Spend some of the money on top relievers(at least two)! 2. I applaud your idea of going after a top of the rotation starter, but don't believe a slim FA class would work(simply too much money chasing very few, if any, sure bets). Trading for a guy like Baumgartner, Matz or (third choice) Greineke by dangling a major league ready player(preferably Sano, but even Kepler) coupled with a couple of top 10 prospects(Gonzales, Romero, Gordon, e.g) should get it done. Obviously, at this juncture, we don't know who is available but the point is Falvine must be agressive in offering up at least one of the "core" players to secure an ace. 3. I think you are a little light in your new offense. Donaldson would indeed be first on my list of additions, but Nelson Cruz as a full-time DH is too tempting to pass up. Austin is a crap shoot and is pretty much an all or nothing type batter. Jose Iglesias does little for an already shaky lineup; Addison Russell is a bigger risk with a much better upside(and he will be made available). The Cubs badly need an infusion of younger pitching prospects that the Twins have in abundance. With these 3 additions, plus a veteran bat like Daniel Murphy or Matt Adams or Andrew McCutcheon for greater versatility, would be a quantum jump in offense that was so sorely lacking in 2018. 4. I would like at an extension for Berrios and Rosario, but not Buxton who must advance first before being rewarded. So save the money on Corbin, go the trade route for a starter, pack the bullpen with quality arms and beef up the offense big time. And don't encourage Mauer to return! He is a big offensive void at a power position. The Twins have the money to do these things. Do they have the will and the brains to make the right moves? If they don't make at least a couple of major moves early in the offseason I am afraid they will not be able to achieve the turnaround all Twins' fans crave. This is the critical offseason for the duo and the team! They better have a plan in place and pull it off or their tenure will be a short one.

Lots of fat to chew on in this chat, but let's throw a new wrinkle into the discussion. As reported in MLBTR: The Indians remain in a highly competitive stance coming out of the 2018 season, particularly in an exceedingly weak overall American League Central division. After three-straight divisional titles, the organization still has one of the game’s best — and most affordable — core talent groups. Still, there are plenty of needs on the roster and seemingly less resources to utilize to fulfill them. The club has in recent years both committed salary and dealt well-regarded prospects to supplement its fantastic bunch of stars. Given this state of affairs, ESPN.com’s Buster Olney reports (Twitter link), the Indians “will listen to trade offers” involving key veteran players. He specifically cites top hurlers Corey Kluber and Carlos Carrasco, along with pricey veterans such as Edwin Encarnacion, Yan Gomes, and Jason Kipnis, as theoretical trade chips. Ok, just speculation for now, but by seemingly jettisoning Brantley, the Indians seem focused on budgetary constraints going into 2019. Their major advantage over the Twins is their starting foursome and if they are really looking at trading either Kluber or Carrasco, the balance of power shifts considerably in the AL Central, if the Twins are ready to capitalize. No, the Indians are not likely to trade one of these pitchers to an interdivision rival but such a possibility should force the Twins FO to concentrate even more on reeling in a #1/#2 starter as their top offseason priority and look at 2019 as a realistic playoff opportunity. My feeling is that Free Agency will not work for this organization for all the reasons cited in this thread, but trading one of our future "stars" should definitely be on the table to have a reasonable chance of landing someone like Baumgartner, Greineke, Matz, etc. Start with the determination of which one of Buxton/Sano has best chance to rebound and start sending out feelers on the other(I'm in the keep Buxton camp, btw). While Sano might not fetch the haul he would have a year ago, he still might have significant value to a rebuilding team seeking a talent-heavy package of prospects along with a major league ready power hitting 3B. If the Indians are indeed willing to trade one of their pitching stars, the Twins must jump at the opportunity of a widening window of contention. Right now as things stand with the two rosters the Twins have too many holes to make up to legitimately compete in 2019 but the combination of Twin additions and Indian losses can narrow that gap in a big hurry. I doubt whether Falvine will wait for the Cleveland FO to act this offseason but in any case, such news should propel them to greater efforts to add real difference-makers to this team in the offseason.

Glad you are addressing the preeminent issue of this offseason: should the Twins retrench as you suggest, go for it all in 2019 or is there some middle way? The difficulty with deciding now what should be done is we don't know how strong the "current core" really is. Without Sano and Buxton rebounding, there is not much of a core - Rosario, Berrios and maybe, Polanco. That's pretty slim pickings for a team with playoff aspirations. Your solution is to start over and wait for the new wave. The fallacy in this approach is that it ignores the vast amount of money available to spend as well as a pretty strong minor league system of our own. Pohlad doesn't need to bank the savings and if a few things bounce right for 2019, like either Sano or Buxton rebounding to near all-star performance(unlikely for both, but at least a 50:50 probability that one reemerges), then some sound FA investments, like two late inning BP arms, a genuine cleanup hitter(DH/! and a middle infielder with some pop might be enough to at least elevate this team back into contention. With the current FA market and lots of cash, this is all eminently doable with some shrewd FO maneuvering. No, free agency alone is not enough to get this team into the elite level but a couple of shrewd trades that could return a badly needed ace or #2 starter by giving up some of the quality in our minor league system and/or trading one of Sano/Buxton (yes, the choice of which one is a hard one but this managment team has seen these two for two seasons now and so should be able to predict which one is more likely to be a keeper. Yes, there is risk, but slotting at least one starter above Berrios is a must if this team is serious about contending in 2019. Trading, Kepler, Gibson and Odorizzi robs us of depth and pushes off the rebuild for at least two more years. I, too, have my reservations about the wonder boys but the fact they are unafraid to strike quickly is a positive trait. Yes, there have been some missteps along the way, but now they have cleared a lot of deadwood, there is ample room for maneuvering. This is their time to strike boldly, not to equivocate.

Yarnivek 1972: Not suggesting Sano or Buxton themselves would be enough to snare a #1 starter, but they could certainly be the centerpiece for a rebuilding team - much more so than a high MILB prospect. We have some minor league pitchers with some potential; I would not hesitate if some other team were interested in Stewart, Gonzales or even Romero, depending on the return. Just look at Berrios' splits against >.500 teams above. He is not the guy yet to lead this team in the playoffs. He didn't show it against Yanks last year, nor did he pitch well against top teams this year. He fattened up on Tigers, Sox and Royals, to name three. Berrios is an important cog but far from an ace!

(sorry, must have hit the wrong key). To continue, Buxton and Sano's potential stardom is well known around MLB. For periods, both have played like All Stars. I would fully explore going after a top of the rotation starter by dangling one ofb these players. This is the biggest hole this team has and the least likely to be filled internally or by FA. Berrios is a #3 starter(#2 at best), Gibson and Odorizzi are middling at best, and no minor leaguer comes close. Free Agency is a crap shoot and history shows this franchise will never be a player for a top-of-the-rotation free agent. Yet there are some intriguing players out there who might be available. While DeGrom is probably untouchable, Snydergaard would be a prize as would Baumgardner from the Giants. These teams are in rebuild mode and might be tempted to trade for a potential All Star. It is much easier to fill an OF position, especially in the Twins organization, with Kiriloff on the cusp and Cave looking like at the least an adequate major leaguer. Replacing Sano with a free agent like Donaldson would be an upgrade and certainly affordable for a team with the payroll flexibility this one has. Without a top starter, this team will not be a contender. Period! If the wonder boys do not actively explore the trade option, they are derelict in their duties. Much better to be proactive than sitting on one's hands hoping for improvement from Buxton/Sano!

Tom, your article is spot on. If the FO goes into next season counting on either or both of these players to be key to the season, they are not fulfilling their responsibilities. But there is a viable option here: fill another big hole by trading one

Nick, I always look forward yo your postings. They are well written, to the point, and lack the "Minnesota nice" slant that too many other posters seem hung up on. But(there's always a but I'm afraid), in this case I have to strenuously disagree with your conclusions. First of all, the FO has to look at this current roster under the magnifying glass and realistically determine if there is a core worth building upon in the offseason to legitimately compete with Cleveland next year' If the answer is yes, then Plan A should be implemented. In order of importance, here are the five things they must do: 1. Trade for a potential #1 starter who gives the team a legitimate shot at winning the first game of a playoff series. Berrios is not there yet and from what I've seen in big games, is very unlikely to morph into the ace needed for such competition. Hope I'm wrong but his dominant performances have been largely against sub-.500 teams. Potential trade targets: one of the Mets big three, Baumgartner, Greinke, or perhaps even Snell. We have some depth in our system and could put together a nice package of top prospects, including anyone not named Lewis or Kirillof(and for Snell or DeGrom, yes, I would include either). Forget FA for an ace - none are available and the Twins don't have it in their DNA to win a bidding war, which is not a bad thing. 2. Second, find a cleanup hitter probably thru FA who can rotate between DH/1B. This means finding someone who can fill the void left by Sano. No, I'm not giving up completely on Sano but to count on him to be the cleanup hitter would count as dereliction of duty by the FO. The Twins lack of a middle of the lineup hitter is a glaring hole and must be filled if they are going to contend next year. Nelson Cruz could be available, but there are a number of good hit/no field thumpers who are alsways available in the offseason. All it takes is money, which in the post-Mauer years, the Twins will have in abundance, should they choose to spend it. 3. Find two shutdown relievers who can handle the 8th and 9th innings. With the possible exception of Rogers who has shown some signs of being more than just a LOOGY, the other bullpen holdovers have shown nothing to indicate they can be counted on in critical game-saving situations. Lots of middle inning fillers, but a clear lack of closers. This is one of the most disappointing results of 2018, but it is the reality of the Twins' relief staff this year. Free agency is the only way to fix this mess and the Twins have to be prepared to be agressive if they are serious about contention. 4. As many have mentioned, finding a slick fielding SS should be on the FO's list. This would allow them to fill 2B with Polanco whose bat deserves inclusion in the lineup, but whose gl;ove is far too shaky to be the everyday shortstop. Aside from Iglesias, there should be other contenders so long as fielding, not hitting is the main criteria. Addison Russell on the Cubs might be available in trade and he would top my wish list if the Twins' minor league depth in pitching would be of interest. 5. Addition of a super sub/starting infielder(yes, Escobar would fill the bill nicely so long as his price is reasonable). There are too many questions in this infield, mainly at 3B, to go into next season without some reinforcement. It doesn't have to be an all star, but instead a solid veteran like Murphy for example would be a welcome addition. To rely on Sano to man any position full time is a fool's errand in my opinion(if he surprises with a comeback season, that's a bonus, but the FO should not assume anything). If they do, shame on them!! If all these needs are addressed in the right way, the Twins could contend again without changes in the OF or behind the plate. But if the FO feels there are just too many holes on the 25 man roster and cannot see a path to filling the five needs listed above, Plan B would be to go with a youth movement, as follows: 1. Put Buxton in CF and let him sink or swim(see #2 below). 2. Bring up Kiriloff, assuming he has a good spring training, and let him battle it out with Kepler or Buxton for starting outfielder. May the best man win! 3. Bring up Royce Lewis or Gordon at midseason(whoever is doing better) and give them the SS or 2B position for the rest of the year. 4. Give Romero a starting rotation spot out of spring training. He is the only Twins' minor leaguer who showed some potential as belonging on the major league staff. At midseason, promote the best minor league starter in the system to the major league rotation. 5. Bring Rooker up (at beginning or within first two months of season) and place him in the DH/1B rotation - assuming he continues to show progress in ST or in AAA. I am sceptical that Falvey and company could accomplish all five needs in Plan A(and let's be clear, all 5 scenarios are needed to adequately fill the holes that appeared in 2018). From what I have read about this FO, they do not seem inclined to accelerate development of young low minor leaguers, either, so Plan B is unlikely to be implemented and thus, we are probably looking at them to muddle through with half-hearted attempts to plug the glaring holes now present with better players than now on the roster, but by no means - difference-makers. The one bright spot with this middling approach is that Mollie would be gone some time in 2019 and a full-time rebuild could commence. In that case, assuming player development has improved, we might look forward to 2021 or 2022 as first years of real contention. In conclusion, as many TDers have said, this offseason is the true test of the FO's acumen and mettle. To land in the middle here is the worst of the three scenarios but this seems most likely to this observer, thereby dooming this organization to the dreaded middle of the road - neither total rebuild nor go for the brass ring. Hope I'm wrong, but this current ownership has shown no appetite to shoot any higher.

Gonsalves hasn't shown me anything. Soft slop that might bewilder AAA batters doesn't fool major leaguers. He reminds me of Tommy Milone. If his control isn't perfect or the ump isn't giving him the corners he's going to get clobbered when he has to throw the ball over the plate. I'm discouraged that the Twins are so high on him. Agree! Perhaps the takeaway here is to look at our prospects' walk rates. Look at Gonzales 4.8BB/9 rate in the minors. He obviously never overcame these inherent problems, as indicated by his putrid performance since his callup. What does this say about Colina in A Ball? Don't know where the cutoff should be, but using the BB criteria, Ober looks the superior prospect. The Twins have failed to develop a home grown ace since maybe Viola, despite having some top draft choices. Wish the Twins could figure this out, but in the meantime, no one on this list looks ready to change this void. If the Twins are going to surmount this glaring omission, they will have to put together a nice package of minor leaguers to secure a #1 in trade or be able to win a FA bidding contest with the big boys. After this year, I remain a deep sceptic in this organization's ability to develop true difference makers, especially in the pitching department.

Shouldn't the real question be: "Do the Twins want Mauer to return"? "Doing right by Joe" is not the real decision; instead, what is best for the team, given the alternatives, is the real issue for the FO and us fans.

Sorry Dickens' fans, this is about the Twins, the Cubs and White Sox. As a lifetime Senators/Twins fan and a longtime resident of Chicago, I've followed all three franchises quite closely - thru thick and thin. Don't worry, we're not going all the way back to 1961 - just wanted to review all three team's recent "rebuilds" and see what lessons we might draw, particularly in regards to the Falvey team going forward. Might as well start with the one success story, the Cubs under Epstein. Taking over after the 2011 season when the Cubs were 71-91, Theo and company took a meat ax to the roster and organization structure, with a corresponding drop in victory totals in 2012-2014 to 61, 66 and 73, respectively. While the farm system was not totally barren(Baez and Contreras had been drafted by the earlier regime), the Cubs essentially rebuilt the team by trades, starting with Anthony Rizzo, followed by such future stalwarts as Kyle Hendricks, Jake Arrietta, Addison Russell, and Dereck Fowler. Benefitting from a high draft position, Kris Bryant was added, followed by Kyle Schwarber. Following the 2014 season, the Cubs used their deep pockets in the FA market by adding to the core Jon Lester, Ben Zobrist, Jason Heyward and John Lackey, The stage was set for a 24 win improvement to 2015 and, of course, a World Championship in 2016. This was not a fluke as the Cubs have averaged 97 wins in the regular season over the past five years, assuming they keep the same winning percentage the remainder of 2018. So, a huge success story here on the North Side. Let's remember it started with the Rickett's purchase of the Cubs and their subsequent stated commitment to end the 100+ year championship drought. They put their money where their mouth was by spending heavily for Epstein, arguably the best baseball executive on the market. In turn, Theo hired his guys, replaced many old Cub coaches and when Joe Maddon became available, jettisoned Rick Renteria and hired Maddon as manager. After the 2017 season, when the Cubs were bounced out of the NLCS by the Dodgers, Theo did not stand still. He fired the pitching coach and hitting coach, hiring two highly respected men in Jim Hickey from Tampa and a familiar name, Chili Davis, as hitting coach. In summary, Theo took three years to bring the Cubs back, primarily by trading whatever assets the club had, drafting astutely for a MVP in Bryant and when the team was coming together, dove into free agency, adding Jon Lester to anchor the staff and win the World Series in 2016. Their lineup is deep and talented and their rotation has remained on or near the top, abetted by timely additions such as Cole Hamels and Jose Quintana. The Cubs' future looks bright with a young lineup and deep rotation, especially if Yu Darvish returns to form. On the south side, with a lot less money but with the commitment by the owner for a complete rebuild, following up three mediocre seasons in 2014-2016(73,76 and 78 wins), Rick Hahn pulled the plug and unloaded Chris Sale, Adam Engel and Quintana. The results were unsurprising with a 95 loss season in 2017 and a certainty of another 90 loss season this year. But the improvement over the course of 2018 has been noticeable, with the Sox compiling a 16-11 record in August to date, including 11-3 on the road. If it weren't for two late inning bullpen implosions, they would have won 3 in a row against the Yankees in NY and last night against the Red Sox. What gives the southsiders hope for the future is a very talented future rotation, anchored by Carlos Rodon, with strong performances by Lopez, Giolito and now Kopech - the 100mph flame-thrower. Awaiting a call up is Eloy Jiminez, a top 3 minor league prospect obtained from the Cubs in the Quintana deal. Yes, the Sox have some holes, primarily their bullpen, but have some promising hitters who have shown signs of becoming legitimate major leaguers. The Sox are not in the Cubs' stratosphere but they have made some strong strides in year 2 of the rebuild and should push the Twins(in 2019) and Indians(in 2020), in this observer's opinion. So what parallels can we draw with the Twins' rebuild under Falvey. As many on TD have noted, the surprise success in 2017 has probably been a setback to the five year plan. Instead of continuing the rebuild this year, they kept their veteran players and tried to fill obvious holes in free agency in order to keep the momentum going. They cannot be criticized too severely for the 2018 slide, as the most egregious failures were from two supposed cores of the rebuild - Sano and Buxton. Falvey is not responsible for this and to his credit, finally unloaded players like Dozier who would not be a part of a future contender. It is too early to say how successful this year's selloff will be but early indications are that the Twins Minor League system is now in the top ten with possibilities of top 5 in the near future. What Falvey has failed to do is use the trade route, unlike the Cubs and Sox, to revamp the roster. Yes, I know he tried to trade Dozier a year ago and the market was supposedly not there. The only trade of note was picking up Odorizzi who looks like a competent #4 or #5 starter if he can ever figure out how to go deeper in the game. Pineda might be a future useful starter but certainly cannot be counted on. As things stand now, the rotation is far from solid and could very well fall behind the White Sox next year unless some significant additions are made. Ditto for a bullpen that is still looking for help from the minor leagues. While I do not expect the Twins to compete for the top free agents, they have the money this offseason to spend heavily, especially given the deep pockets(at least as deep as the Rickett's family) of Pohlad to add quality to the roster. I don't mean someone like Logan Morrison, Lynn or Rodney, but a true shutdown reliever and cleanup hitter. As for the rotation, no minor leaguer looks ready to help next year, at least based on year-to-date performance in the bigs. What Falvey must do to build on his first two years is to trade some of the existing minor league(or major league) talent for top starting pitching. If some other team likes Romero, Gordon, Gonzales, et.al., then take advantage and give them up for proven starters. Take the risk Ryan never would! And yes, if some team dangled a proven starter, don't be afraid to let Sano or Buxton go in the right deal. The Twins still have a young core that with a bit of luck, good FA signings and increased attention to trading for talent could contend again in the next two years. But if Falvey wants to attain the success that Theo has had( and that I think Hahn is about to have) then he must be active this offseason, take the kid gloves off and go for some top talent. If not, the Twins will be stuck in that dreaded middle quagmire so familiar to Twins' fans over the past umpteen years. Hope you've enjoyed this view from Chicago! Feel free to add your two cents!!

Lots of good comments. My grade is a B. Kudos for what looks like strong drafts, adapting(maybe too much in hindsight) well to a surprise 2017 season by seemingly plugging some obvious holes in 17's roster with FA additions, but most of all reacting well at the trade deadline by dumping players for prospects when determining the team was out of contention. It is so refreshing to see bold moves from a Twins' front office after years of mediocrity. With that said, they should be faulted for a couple of major coaching additions, namely the not insignificant hitting and pitching coach positions, neither of whom had the resume to think they would be able to make substantial improvements. And a sluggishness in changing managers and coaches in the minor leagues; instead, with a few notable exceptions, a look at the organization now vs. in 2016 shows more regurgitation that change despite the widely noted "complete system failure" in 2016. This offseason is critical in establishing this FO's legacy. There are a lot of holes to fill and if bold moves are not made, then a D or F grade is far more deserving.

Appreciate your comments. Here are a few more of my own: 1. Agree that 2020 looks like better chance to compete vs. Cleveland than 2019, primarily because their big three of of Kluber, Carrasco and Bauer are clearly superior to our top three, even should we acquire an ace this offseason. However, the FO would be making a mistake by conceding 19 to Cleveland. Just as 18 provided some major disappointments, with the right additions, 19 could prove better than it looks now by some marked improvements in the core(I'm looking at you - Sano, Buxton and Kepler) plus the additions mentioned above. To not make significant additions this offseason would be a dereliction of duties to both the fan base and the team. At the very least the FO must start narrowing the considerable gap that is so apparent, even if they fall a bit short in 19. 2. Have to disagree on keeping Mauer. His ceiling is pretty well established and it is not nearly sufficient for a power position. The FO cannot be bothered by adverse fan rx if they are going to build this team back to contention. It didn't stop them from trading Dozier and Escobar - why should it with Mauer? 3. We both agree that FA is by no means the complete answer to contention. But nor should we fall in love with our prized prospects if the right trade opportunities arise. This means all but Lewis and Kiriloff be on the trade table and for a clear #1 like DeGrom who is young and controllable, yes, I would put one of these two in a trade package. That is how valuable a stopper is to a team seeking to go deep into the playoffs. Falvey must pull the trigger if such an opportunity presents itself; otherwise, his "success" will be little different from TR's.