Hosken Bombo Disco

You are not wrong. We had Dick & Bert calling games on TV locally for a long time. You only need to listen to the out of town broadcasters on those rare occasions when the Twins were on a national telecast to know that outsiders don’t know the teams and markets as well as the locals. So, same with the national baseball press. They are going to make up an opinion of the trade without knowing particulars and without caring how it turns out or being invested in its success or failure. If they turn out to be wrong, no one is going to come back and hold them to it or ask them what they did wrong. Because they have moved on to having an opinion on the next big thing they don’t really care about. Not that the local press is without their own faults…

I knew you’d come around :)

Having no opinion generates no mouse clicks, so nobody quotes the guy who says he will reserve judgment. Cheers to not knowing. 🍻

Well that’s Fangraphs, but MLB has Salas as a 45 player, which in other words, is just another half-decent minor league player. (I’m sure he’s a great kid personally.) Top prospect, no. I don’t know if the Twins Daily writers are doing their own checking around, or just using one source and taking that source at face value, or where they are getting all this enthusiasm. From Fangraphs, I guess. MLB has Brooks Lee as the 10th best shortstop prospect. https://www.mlb.com/prospects/ss/

Good comment. I consider myself both a hardcore fan and a casual fan… As a hardcore fan, no I do not actually understand this trade. It’s like robbing Peter to pay Paul. The pitching side gets better, but the hitting side gets worse. Potentially much worse. Guys like Arraez don’t suddenly lose their bat-to-ball skill. If someone is going to claim that Arraez’s knees are going to affect his performance, then that same someone should be consistent and admit that Lopez has a flaky shoulder himself, and that Salas’s stats look pretty ordinary, and the third guy they got is not old enough to shave yet. Some people here are really low on Lopez too. I don’t know; I guess I like him? but I will just say that I noticed that his shoulder problems have correlated fairly closely to his trade to Miami several years ago and subsequent increase in velocity. If the Twins want to keep Lopez dialed up at mid-90s and also keep him healthy, then maybe the philosophy of five innings and done will actually be a benefit to this particular guy. Less chance for wear and tear every fifth day if you pull him out after 5. The front office just signed Correa, overpaid for Correa. Why burn that goodwill? The front office made their lineup much better by signing Correa, then made it worse by trading Arraez. So no, as a hardcore fan, I don’t really get it on a rational level. Your second part about me also being a casual fan, however, is correct. All that said, I am glad there are people who like this trade. The Twins need you and Twinsdaily needs you! Stick around and talk about it!!

Rebuilds in the NFL can be extremely quick. Philly won the Super Bowl in 2017, are the No. 1 seed in 2022, and in between then they were pretty mediocre, including a 4-11 season.

Agreed, and I don’t know what the future value numbers are, but if you are not high on Martin and you feel Kepler is expendable, and you feel there is a window in the these next 2 seasons, then it becomes a much more interesting question.

I have no problem with the comps to Tony Gwynn through their first 4 seasons, but your mileage may vary. Arraez has shown a bit more power than Gwynn, but Gwynn had much more speed. Advantage: Gwynn. And obviously Gwynn never struck out so that’s a bit unfair, but Arraez has a very low strikeout rate for the times we are playing in too. Will Arraez play at an elite level into his 40s? Also Doubtful. However, I think trading Arraez for pitching would be like robbing Peter to pay Paul. They are all in with Correa so it would need to be prospect capital to trade, not MLB talent.

The poster must have edited their post, because what I am seeing is Lewis included with that group.

Me too, but from what I've gathered by glancing at a few pitchers coming off of a second Tommy John, pitchers can be expected to lose one and a half to three miles per hour off their heaters. Paddack was at 93.0 mph in 2022 according to his Baseball Savant page, so what we can hope for later in 2023 is about 91.0mph. I saw a small increase in whiff rate on that page, but I don't know if that accounts for small sample size or platoon splits evening out. Depends on what kind of data you like to look at, how deep you want to go, and how deep your pockets are... Here is that sign-up again: Become a Twins Daily Caretaker Me personally, this feels more like Dobnak than Pineda (yay?), but I reserve the right to be wrong, and maybe Parker has other ideas in his article. By the way, the good news is that surgeons are getting better and better and pitchers are more likely to recover from this second surgery than in the past. (Walker Buehler is having his second Tommy John too). I'm confident Paddack will come back and like others have said, he's going to need to learn the art of pitching more than relying on raw ability. That could be a good thing.

HOWEVER the Minnesota Gophers football team did win their bowl game in Yankee Stadium this year!

Identifying QBs is maybe the hardest thing to do in sports, but it can be done. If another team drafts Purdy, he probably sits on the bench undiscovered. If San Fran takes another guy with the last pick, Purdy might be coaching in high school somewhere, or whatever young free agent QBs do. Maybe Mullens is the guy, I don’t know, but someone somewhere ought to know.

Yup

Kendricks did not look good. Maybe it’s that injury. I agree 2023 should be a retool year and if the offense carries them to the playoffs again in 2023, gravy.

Correct but part of the plan should be to move on after Kirk finishes next season. It’s just so typical of the Vikings that that was the final play.

Does the clock stop on turnover of downs? If so there should have been a second left. Anyone know NFL rules?

Not watching; no lead is safe in this league anymore

In the draft the next season, they took Randy Moss and the rest was history

In the wild card round 25 years ago, the Vikings played the Giants and won a wacky game, 23-22, that they had no right winning. It started with Mitch Berger almost whiffing while trying to kick the opening kickoff, went to halftime trailing 19-3, and ended with the Vikings scoring 10 points in the final minute and a half to win it. https://m.youtube.com/watch?v=sCJX2UiDEag

How to make a small fortune being a Major League Baseball owner. (hint: start with a large fortune…) I have no problem with the ‘Rays way’ and was just typing a longer post about it. I don’t remember the story perfectly but basically the Rays were the brain child of one individual (might have been a billionaire?) who built a stadium to court an expansion franchise. There was no fan base clamoring for an MLB franchise. The Trop, the stadium they play in, is older than the Rays franchise itself. They were cursed from the start, and stuck in the division with the Yankees and Red Sox. They never had a chance. Then one year, Andrew Friedman showed up… Within the context of my baseball fandom, I admire what the Rays have done, and I love it when they beat the big teams. There must be bigger sins than taking young players to arbitration, but I haven’t been shown evidence that the Rays are a franchise powerful enough to commit those sins.

Billionaires own the Rays?

This Tweet gives helpful context, thanks @PseudoSABR I wonder if Hayes meant 502 PA in the furthest out years, and not 502 AB. I’m glad to see that that seventh year requires him to get to 575. There was a time when 502 PA (110-120 games) meant you were missing a lot of time, not playing most of the time. And the additional team option on top of that, whatever it is, is good to know. I’m thinking they structured the Correa deal to mean he will be here six years and not a day longer. Now hopefully Correa stays on the field most of that time.

You didn’t see what I said, but you rush to make a comment about it. Here let me summarize: I thought a fair deal for Correa would be something like 4/128, which is what would be remaining on Houston’s offer. Team opt outs for anything beyond that. Welp. The bad news is that we have a front office who sits down at the winter meetings with the other front offices and don’t see any suckers sitting around the table. The good news is Correa is a damn good shortstop and if a bunch of other things break in the Twins favor, we will be contending for the postseason again in 2023.

In the future, feel free to address the full argument too.

I think the question answers itself. They didn’t think Correa was worth 6/200.