True, but are we really getting excited over an Allen, Dominguez, Megill trade for Berrios? I’m not. I’d take Berrios in ‘22 and let him walk for the comp pick in that scenario.
I just don’t see a trade scenario where the Twins get true immediate value for next year. Out of all the teams that could conceivably be in on Berrios the Mets are probably at the bottom. It’s nice to have them in the bidding war but really you’re hoping the Jays, dodgers and Padres get into a bidding war for him. That’s the ideal scenario I think
On baseball trade values I just threw in your guys you stated on here and a few others and it’s still miles apart. Could you hope you catch lightning in a bottle with this group? Sure! But unless you put Rocker in there as a ptbnl there’s really no one in their system that says it’s a no brainer. Unless magically we get Syndergaard already signed to a super team friendly deal included in there. I’m not keen on trading with the Mets unless they literally offer the whole system dang near haha
We’ve all known it since the rumblings years ago about extensions not being done with Berrios. This guy is betting big on himself and that’s fine. This guy needs to be traded and we need to get some legit prospects for him. His value will never be higher than in the next week. Let’s stop thinking he’s staying and let’s take the haul and hope we hit on 50% of the prospects we get back
I’d take the dodgers trade. With San Diego I’d replace Hassell with Gore. I don’t care how he’s pitching right now. He’s a stud and that’s who you want. If I can’t have Gore then I want Abrams. The twins absolutely do not need another outfielder. Especially one who’s so far away at this point. If I’m having to trade Berrios and Rogers I don’t want an outfielder as the centerpiece. You’ve either got to have a potential elite SP or the potential elite SS. If we get the SS Royce Lewis goes to centerfield. If we get the SP Lewis still goes to CF. Cause let’s be honest. That’s his destiny. Unless Buxton signs the long term deal in which case Lewis is still playing half the season there anyways
Cruz is a fit here! Why in the world would we target Deichmann? We don’t need more outfielders we need pitchers. What about Puk? Seems like he’s faded as well. Another good reclamation change of scenery guy with electric stuff. If nothing else he slides to the bullpen as a shutdown guy. A good fit in a Cruz only trade I believe! It’s one of those rare win win scenarios
Personally I love Arraez and think we need him on this team. If I had to part with anyone and let’s assume Donaldson is staying I probably part with Polanco to keep Arraez in the infield. At this point I don’t think you part with a 24yo with his hitting and OBP skills. He should be part of this team going forward. As for Miranda. He can be groomed for 3rd. Arraez should be at the keystone every night with Gordon as the utility.
I posted in another thread the trade simulator and if I remember correctly a Berrios and Rogers package would line up with a package of Pearson, Woods-Richardson or Manoah and a couple low level lottery tickets. That’s a pretty good haul. I believe Berrios alone nets at least Pearson and Kloffenstein. That’s the real value for value. Hard to say no to that if we’re looking for impact pitching
Exactly!!! Let’s remember what was In place before the Falvine era. Terry Ryan and a bunch of guys still flying off the late 80’s and early 90’s way of doing things as the league was undergoing a massive shift. I remember a quote from a front office guy from another team saying the twins were far behind in the analytics/modern way of baseball scouting and development. It showed!!! I’m surprised they’ve changed the culture as fast as they have. I think we forget how bad the twenty teens were. A Pohlad fired a Ryan and a Gardenhire. Guys who were immortals in the day.
It’s a tough call. I think Berrios is going to test FA no matter what from the sounds of where extension talks have run. So I think the twins will have to massively overpay him for an extension. If that’s the case you ask one question. If Pearson or Gore are on the table would you prefer 6-7 years of either one of them? Or would you like 6-8 years of Berrios at $25-$30M? Also, if we take the latter we’re talking about a smaller pitcher who’s never really had an ACE season venturing into his 30’s at the back end of that contract. Personally I’d take my chances on trying to overachieve next year with an eye toward 2023 and beyond with what hopefully amounts to a stud pitcher rather than holding the bag after 2022 and hoping to stay competitive past that. If we sell high on these guys now and get back some really good pieces there’s no reason we can’t surprise teams next year and have a really solid team going forward. There’s pieces in place. This team is not like the ‘11-‘15 clubs that were destined for 100 losses every year. This is a crossroads for sure!
Absolutely!!! Heck, why don’t we take one of each. Gavin Williams with the first round pick and then a prepster who falls or has good upside with their next pick. Seems legit to me!
The Twins need to start drafting pitchers in the first 2 rounds period! Kohl Stewart was the right choice when he was drafted. You don’t win the lottery if you never buy a ticket.
We need pitchers!!!! College pitchers preferably who can be up in 2-3 years. Load the system like KC and Detroit have done. Enough outfielders. Enough with drafting 1st basemen with average power. If we’re simply gonna draft outfielders to supply the rest of the league with our over supply how about we skip that step and let them draft them. We need to take that mentality to pitching. How about we supply the league with our over supply of pitching? We need to be drafting pitchers!!!! Rant over. Haha