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Since the thread was on pitching. Fangraphs defines a good to great pitcher as one with a WAR above 3. There was only 35 of them last year in the majors, 46 the year before. A solid starter as one with a WAR of 2-3. There was only 36 of those last year, 21 the year before. Given those numbers are from fangraphs they should meet your standard. Random clicking on the names on the solid range of players reveals that either these pitchers are really inconsistent as their WAR score fluctuates widely, or there is an issue with the metric.

Jay, as bad as people want to quantify things, some things you can't without subjectivity. When there is subjectivity, there is error.

Ninth year will be the charm? He has been working on pitching for 9 years between the majors and the minors.

I believe that Heyman used the numbers posted on fangraphs. Having a problem with the inaccuracies of WAR?

To me, the concept of WAR is not bad, the method of the computation is the problem. Heyman had to say this on WAR Jamey Carroll has a better WAR than Derek Jeter, 2.6 to 2.5. That's absurd. And Denard Span has a better WAR than Josh Hamilton, 4.0 to 3.7. Even more ridiculous. And Heymen supports the concept

I think it is a nice idea except for the fact that there isn't a correlation between WAR and actual wins.

Is a good free agent pitcher one who has won more games than they lost? Pitches every 5th day for 6 innings? Or is the sole determinant of a good pitcher their ERA or xfip? Fangraphs calls a good player one with a WAR above three. For pitchers that would have been Sachez and Grienke. Neither were going to come here. Sanchez used the Cubs to get his deal with Detroit. There is no middle infield help that qualifies as a good player. So is your definition of good one that is average?

Maybe Terry Ryan was fooled. He thought by offering good contracts to players they would sign them. The nabobs of negativity on this board really have no idea what the dynamic is between the free agents and the teams. Blame the GM. What near all star player or better has ever signed with a mid to small market, almost devoid of talent, team as an free agent with no prior connection to the team? That is the hard part of rebuilding.

The tepid market for Jackson could be due to being on a very good team he was still only a .500 pitcher, whip 1.4, ERA of 4 in the national league, and averaged only 6 innings a game.

Now that hte high end has been set, the dominoes will fall.

If Hermsen adds MPH there should be steroid testing done. It will be interesting what develops from last year's pitching selections from the draft as they get a full year under their belt. Can Bard start. Is Baxendale a legit starter. Can any of the drafted relievers become starters.

To prove that it was framing that caused the ball or strike call there would have to be consistency in calling pitches by the umpires. I don't think you can prove that.

If you don't think they could be a 3 or better you probably don't sign any of them to much more than a minimum contract. Incentive deal for Jurrgens, maybe Karstens. Gorzelanny as a lefty insurance starter in Rochester so Duensing can stay in the pen would be a very wise investment

The number of players the Twins picked up from other organizations were not scouted by the Twins when they traded for them? That they traded for someone else's minor leaguer is no sin. BTW I think Knoublauch had to play second because there was a better SS named Gagne ahead of him.

"Maybe the Marlins didn't want anyone in the Twins system or the Twins might not have been offering some of their top prospects." Ding Ding Ding. Maybe you nailed it. What do the Twins have for highly rated prospects above the low A level? On the multiple threads about this trade the sad fact is the Twins don't have much to trade. If the 2012 draft selections pan out they will have trade chips. Not now, they have nothing to offer other than what they do not want to trade.

Do you forget that they trade a lot of their players for prospects. Gio Gonzales, Bailey and Dan Haren brought them a haul of prospects that took them to the playoffs this year?

You have a very short memory. I in the past have responded to Thyrloss with fact. What would call what you posted in response to Thryloss on Baker? If you want Thyrlos thrown off for posting inaccuracies then clean your own house first.

Then they would also have to remove you for all the garbage you posted

A good but nor great outfielder should net you a good but not great pitching prospect. The Twins need a great pitching prospect. A low A prospect who is great is not what the Twins have a surplus of, nor do they have a surplus of near major league talent to trade to sweeten the pot.

On a recent post I mentioned a Gardenhire fault called a doghouse. Slama is in it. Therefore unless he is lights out awesome, he will be elsewhere. Quickly, as I have to get back to work, The Twins may sign one legit starter and probably a reclaimation project. To want two is reasonable. To get two is another. A Pino/Lawton type of player for a short term starter is more like what they will do

Thank you for the article. I now know when I see your name next to an article what quality the piece will be and ignore it.

I guess this proves that it is easier to find corner outfielders than pitchers, catchers and imiddle infielders. Then again Norwood, Powell, and Bombo proved that you can never have enough prospects.